Dizziness after a large dose

[Ski-bum]

Ok so the first time in years that we had really good clean MDMA. The brown and grey molly we had last year was poorly synthed and apparently contained MDEA according to the Dutch labs.

Got some green squirrels and a couple of points of molly. Girl and I went a bit overboard with this amazing stuff. She took a squirrel and a half and I took the same plus one point. Now these pills range around 175 mg to 195. I've taken more in a night and had horrible hangovers with the other molly, but this dizziness is getting old.

I get vertigo when I play video games or read. Heavy exertion makes me dizzy and nauseous. Been about 6 days since we rolled, we are usually pretty good but sometimes we go overboard chasing the high. We don't smoke weed so we had nothing to ease the comedown.

I read on some older threads that this effect happens when people take too much. I have taken more like I said, but never clean lab tested MDMA in such huge doses. Anyone have any tricks for relieving the dizziness?

Also, for you non-weed smokers, how do you avoid rebumping? I usually go for a few cold beers, but we only had one to share and didn't feel like going out on the comedown. I can avoid rebumping alone but the girl has really strong feelings of disappointment, and being in that state I hate saying no to her. If I could relieve those feelings for her she wouldn't push the issue so much. Is beer the only answer? I know it isn't recommended with MDMA but a little on the comedown could be better than taking more.

 

[jonny.steel18]

great thread the dizziness comes from your tolerance being low take it easy next time

 

[First Bad Comedown]

The feeling of dizziness is caused by alterations in the 5-HT network.
Disruptions, such as receptor down-regulation, can cause a drop in blood flow to specific regions of the brain.
Some regions can up-regulate to compensate.

These changes can cause a variety of symptoms.
Dizziness/vertigo was a profound symptom for me and it lasted over a week.
It would feel like my body was in motion, even when I was still. I expected to have trouble walking, but surprisingly had no problem.

I had many other really bad symptoms, like visual distortions and intestinal pain. These took MUCH longer to go away. If you aren't having any other major symptoms, you can relax. This should pass within a few weeks at the most.

Scientific evidence is clear: MDMA causes alterations to the 'brain-gut' circuitry.
Re-dosing has been proven to cause greater alterations in these nerves.
It is highly recommended that you wait at least 3 months between rolling, and do not redose.
If you redose anyways, keep it as low as possible and do so before you actually start coming down.

Weed is a great potentiator once you start to come down. It increases serotonin in the brain.
Smoking cigarettes are also going to have an effect.
Alcohol is a BAD idea - it has also been proven to increase the toxicity of MDMA.

The best recommendation to help your comedown is to preload with a high dose of piracetam. You should take it 4 hours before your roll, not with it. It increases the euphoria and lessens the desire to redose. It may also offer protection from toxicity, so post-loading is also a good idea.

 

[FlippingTop]

great thread the dizziness comes from your tolerance being low take it easy next time

This isnt true.

Most likely cause is not hydrating/nourishing yourself following dropping.

Be sure to eat full healthy meals, and drink enough water/isotonic drinks to replenish your fluids.

Also be sure to sleep enough

 

[socalthizzn]

great thread the dizziness comes from your tolerance being low take it easy next time

This is very untrue. Theres many different things that can cause dizziess after rolling. Main contributer i find to this is dehydration. Ive had times where ill be standing up after rolling and then "wubwubwub" takes over and i white out. I am always able to correct this with water. Although i dont think op is still sufferinv from dehydration.


First bad comedown Good info, where did you pull it from?

 

[First Bad Comedown]

Lots and lots of reading.

It is difficult to cite everything I say, due to the amount of reading I have done.
It would take me many extra hours to do so, but one day I may write my manifesto, citations included.

It is well understood that serotonin in the brain plays tug-of-war with blood vessels.
Because of its profound influence on blood flow, when serotonin levels drop significantly, certain highly-innervated regions of the brain begin to up-regulate to compensate.

The occipital lobe has been proven to do this in animal research.
The visual cortex is extremely complex and requires a large share of the blood supply.
The up-regulation seen here in undoubtedly the cause of HPPD, imo.

There are other regions of the brain that appear to be hyper-innervated by serotonin permanently.
Despite this, human studies have shown that blood distribution eventually returns to normal.

Scientists are confused by this, because permanent changes in serotonin distribution should leave the brain's blood supply off balance.
They are not sure why the blood flow returns to normal, because the brain scans are limited in their scope. Only after patients die can they increase their understanding. This is why stroke or massive 'brain infarction' has been linked to MDMA. They cut open the brains. The disruption of blood flow is so severe that some people just go pop. Increased risk of stroke also appears to be LONG TERM. Former users of MDMA have died of strokes at very young ages. Alterations of the 5-HT network is strongly suspected to be the cause.

They suspect that other neurotransmitter systems, such as GABA, are being modified to compensate for the abnormal serotonin innervation.

Scholar.google.com is an awesome resource.
It is also very time consuming to sift through.
I should just give up and become a neurologist...

 

[Ski-bum]

Thanks for the info! I have to order piracetam from the US because it is prescription here very expensive. Last time I ordered from a Chinese pharmacy I paid about €80 for 20 pills of 800mg with shipping. UK is a bit cheaper but I can get 500g powder from the US for €45 with international shipping.

Until then, I took some sleeping pills that got rid of the motion while dreaming effect. Got tired of going down water slides and flipping upside down and walking on the ceiling. Since it is France they rip people off with homeopathic crap at the pharmacy since everything is tightly controlled by prescription. In the US if some pharmacist sold me something homeopathic for a sleep problem it would be grounds for a lawsuit.

I lucked out and my €15 got me a decent mix, it doesn't make me sleep but gets rid of the dizziness. It's called SommeilComplete, it has magnesium, Melissa herb, escholtzia, baobab, lactoserum and B6. Surprised that an energy vitamin is in a sleeping pill.

I'm going to try and take ginko during the day, it increases blood flow to the brain. See if that helps, if it does there may be something to your theory. I'll post and let you know.

 

[Ski-bum]

Well I feel better today. The dizziness is less intense. I still feel it but not nearly as bad. This could be the ginkgo or just time as tomorrow is a week since we took it. Still not feeling tops but we ate like shit last week and didn't get much exercise.

Need to get that piracetam as it is summer and we have good pills. There is a music festival coming up the first week of June and I want to roll to the Chemical Brothers.

 

[AndroidsDreamofBTC]

Well I feel better today. The dizziness is less intense. I still feel it but not nearly as bad. This could be the ginkgo or just time as tomorrow is a week since we took it. Still not feeling tops but we ate like shit last week and didn't get much exercise.

Need to get that piracetam as it is summer and we have good pills. There is a music festival coming up the first week of June and I want to roll to the Chemical Brothers.

Definitely get some Piracetam. I find it makes high dose MDMA roll much more lucid and clear. You still feel empathy and euphoria, but you can actually function and just act like a dancing pile of E-love.