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pls pls help affects of shrroms im having panic attacks
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is it your first time smoking incense?
id stay away from it in the future now that you know what it can do, or at least take one little hit only first and then wait about 10 minutes and go from there. consider it a good learning experience and consider yourself a bit more knowledgeable
Hi it has realy put me off everything like this im not going to take mean green again no way. Haha yea its teached me alot a very lot. And i realy apriceate ur help
Hi, actualy mate its not as stupid as it sounds. i put my order in saturday night i started reasarching legal highs 4 weeks ago so its not realy anything ive rushed into. tbh i dont think its my back reasarch i think its more of a affect that i dont like because i readen all the reviews on mean green and non of them seemed bad all *yea amazing product high in seconds* ect. Pleasurable experience Haha F*** no.
Can i ask do all legal high smokes give these terrible affects and panic attacks.
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mean green; never touching again
mushrooms; not sure was it the mean green or the mushroms (whats the affects of mushrooms with out the mean)
salvia 2g block 16x
salvia leaf
So will all these be plesurable with out the mean green no panic attacks ect.
Thanks everyone the affects are still their but their wearing off very well thanks all
Yes, because the people smoking mean green know how much to use, and have experience with cannabinoids, whereas you smoked too much while having no tolerance.
Salvia is rarely described as pleasurable in general - you say you've done research, but you don't seem to have... Salvia is at least short though...
Also, Fly Agaric mushrooms are completely different from what we commonly refer to as "mushrooms".
Fly Agarics (Amanita Muscaria) contain muscimol, which acts via the GABA system, in ways not well understood.
Mushrooms (Psilocybe *) contain psilocin and psilocybin, which act via HT2A agonism, like other typical psychedelics.
The effects are entirely different between the two, and it confuses people when you refer to amanita muscaria / fly agaric as "mushrooms" - they think you're referring to the "good ones", not the amanitas. Some people like amanitas, most people don't find them interesting or worthwhile.
Salvia is rarely described as pleasurable in general - you say you've done research, but you don't seem to have... Salvia is at least short though...
Also, Fly Agaric mushrooms are completely different from what we commonly refer to as "mushrooms".
Fly Agarics (Amanita Muscaria) contain muscimol, which acts via the GABA system, in ways not well understood.
Mushrooms (Psilocybe *) contain psilocin and psilocybin, which act via HT2A agonism, like other typical psychedelics.
The effects are entirely different between the two, and it confuses people when you refer to amanita muscaria / fly agaric as "mushrooms" - they think you're referring to the "good ones", not the amanitas. Some people like amanitas, most people don't find them interesting or worthwhile.
StickyChron
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I really don't want to sound like a pretentious asshole or anything, but you basically bought a bunch of smoke-able garbage, maybe with the exception of the Salvia, and you're surprised you had a bad experience.
Like someone else said, you kind of sound like a little kid wanting to get high for the first time, not someone who has done any adequate research on the possible negative effects of these "drugs" and how they effect people differently. You also didn't seem to know much about proper dosing as far as this mean green goes, which also leads me to believe you didn't really do research at all and just bought the first legal shit you could find online for a decent price.
My advice to you is to seriously reevaluate why you're trying to get "high".
Like someone else said, you kind of sound like a little kid wanting to get high for the first time, not someone who has done any adequate research on the possible negative effects of these "drugs" and how they effect people differently. You also didn't seem to know much about proper dosing as far as this mean green goes, which also leads me to believe you didn't really do research at all and just bought the first legal shit you could find online for a decent price.
My advice to you is to seriously reevaluate why you're trying to get "high".
ayavisions
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I smoked aminata a few years ago and it was active ( just had 3x3cm of the red bit on top). It felt like a deleriant almost datura smoke like.. would not recommend it to anyone! glad you are feeling alright now
One problem im a big into pyrotechnics so the police have already raded and they are watching me so no way am i going to start a small marijuana farm.
Im just wondering are their illegal drug propertys in these legal incenses. like is their and parts of pot, poppys in them as i realy cant understand how they can have so wind bending affects if their just herbs...
Ps the main paranoia and panic attacks have stoped but now i feel kinda high, im buzzing but some of the affects eg lightheaded, heavy breathing are still their i think ite been about 3 hours. Mmm! tbh i didn't expect much from mean green as tbh i think i underestimated the product. But i have college 9am tomorow and i have a 5 hour art test at second level so i realy dont want any of these affects lasting till the mornin. Like it doesn't make ur hands un steady does it.
And say if i try some salvia in a few days - a week would it have the same affects as mean green but more intense... Like would a hit of 16x solid salvia make me have panic attacks again...
Oh and thanks so much for helping me through my bad experience as i realy was getting worse untill yous reashored me so thank you.
Is their any anti ??? things so if u take something like this it will flush the affect like is their a anti-psychedelic pills ect...
And finaly can someone recomend a good legal smoking mix that gives the affects i want with out the attacks and feeling like im gona die...
Thanks everyone its much apriceated. %)
Hi, tbh i dont see how i smoked too much mean green as it was less than a quarter of a very small bowl full. But i agree i overdone the agaric mushrooms.
Sorry if it sounds like ive not done reasarch but im 19 and in college so not some little kid trying to get high.
Ive done reasarch on salvia, agaric and other legal highs but i admit the only reasarch ive done on mean green was too read the reviews. Thats mainly because theirs no online information on mean green.
Mmm! one thing i forgoten to mention was that their was no affects untill a smoked a bong full of agaric mushrooms so im thinking the 2 didn't mix
I tryed the mean green but i didn't feel much for i thought ha its crap so i tryed the mushrooms but i didn't realy give it time to kick in
PhyllipThylamine
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A deleriant? Yummy, not
![:\](https://bluelight.org/xf/BL_Images/Orig_Emoji/wrygrin.gif "wry grin :\")
Tried Amanita's once, got sicky/trippy/drunk, didn't like it at all, never again.Also, good to here OP is okay! Definitely panic attacks from the herbal. Lots more research & lots less drugs for you, in future!
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Don't worry, I'm 40 years old & people still think I'm an idiot! I might add that alot of illegal drugs are alot safer than alot of legal ones, medicinally or recreationally.
& despite more than 20 years in the scene, I am too scared to try Salvia. I'd go extremely careful with that, given you experience today. In fact, my reccomendation would be, don't take it at all. Thats just my advice & you know the best thing about advice is, you don't HAVE to take the advice
A deleriant? Yummy, not
Also, good to here OP is okay! Definitely panic attacks from the herbal. Lots more research & lots less drugs for you, in future!
Don't worry, I'm 40 years old & people still think I'm an idiot! I might add that alot of illegal drugs are alot safer than alot of legal ones, medicinally or recreationally.
& despite more than 20 years in the scene, I am too scared to try Salvia. I'd go extremely careful with that, given you experience today. In fact, my reccomendation would be, don't take it at all. Thats just my advice & you know the best thing about advice is, you don't HAVE to take the advice
Hi, mate thanks for the concern and reply. Haha less drugs mean greens out of it for life and im not sure about the agaric mushrooms i may try a tiny amount in the future but not for a while. Yes mate i no illegal drugs are much safer but in my situation it aint realy going to work, because as i said i got falsly acused of some thing because of my huge interest in pyrotechnics. But they will sertanly be watching me and illegal substances will just make them more suspicious. Yea mate im not trying the 16x salvia for a while atleast a few months but i have some salvia leaves which are ment to be quite mild nothing at all strong anuff to send u into a psychedelic trip. And mate i take all advice and especialy from more experienced people than me. Ill probably buy some herbal tobacco subs that dont get u high then i will build my self up to adding things then but im not going to try anything for a while.
Im still a little concerned because the affects are still their and i have to get my head down in 2 hours will this affect my sleeping. And will i have any side affects tomorow like shaking or feeling tired
Thank you
PhyllipThylamine
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No sweat, mate. Also, many psychedelic drugs & drugs in general are often used by creative people to break artists/writers/muscicians block. You may actually find any lingering effects quite handy for an art test! I would't suggest you get absolutely mangled to do an art test lol But if there IS any subtle after-glow tomorrow, don't let it worry you, try to use it to your advantage. I would not advise ANYONE to take an illegal or legal drug but if you ARE going to take one I'd happily advise the most cautious & sensible way to do it, if it's within my area of interest.
Obviously, there are dangerous ILLEGAL drugs & dangerous legal drugs. There are also perfectly safe drugs that can be used dangerously, & thoroughly dangerous drugs that can be used safely.
Moderation is the key! Allergy testing in TINY amounts first, & then incremental dosing to find one's own "sweet spot" should follow the arrival of ANY new subtance for recreation. Much, much better to be disapointed by some mild or non-existant effects than to overdo something & get unexpectedly powerful, unpleasant effects.
You take care man, get a good, long kip & best of luck for tomorrow!
Obviously, there are dangerous ILLEGAL drugs & dangerous legal drugs. There are also perfectly safe drugs that can be used dangerously, & thoroughly dangerous drugs that can be used safely.
Moderation is the key! Allergy testing in TINY amounts first, & then incremental dosing to find one's own "sweet spot" should follow the arrival of ANY new subtance for recreation. Much, much better to be disapointed by some mild or non-existant effects than to overdo something & get unexpectedly powerful, unpleasant effects.
You take care man, get a good, long kip & best of luck for tomorrow!
You're right. Many online user writen experience reports are exaggerated and are focused more on positive effects (especially Erowid). However, speaking of that, the general information on erowid.org regarding a substances general positive, neutral, and negative effects is very accurate. For questions and receiving specified feedback these forums are really the best place, people here are generally more honest and will tell you straight up what they think about something (like some of the people on this thread have done ha)
Not all legals have the same effects, and they affect everyone differently
It completely depends on who you are and how much you use. You overdid it for your first time that's why you had a panic attack. Another thing, no one really knows exactly what's in those legal smokes, so it's hard to say. When I used to smoke incense, I would start with a very low dose and work my way up to my comfort zone, but every time you do too much, then yes you will have terrible effects.
No they are all legal. The actually chemical you're smoking to get high is synthetically made in a lab and then sprayed on a herb. Most of those chemicals are made to resemble the effects of the illegal ones, and can be just as and sometimes more powerful.
Salvia will have completely different effects. Again, depending on how much you smoke, it could be 10x more intense, but it only lasts a few minutes. It's hard for me to think of how to explain it to someone who has no experience whatsoever, so they only thing I can refer you to is this page:http://www.erowid.org/plants/salvia/salvia_effects.shtml
However, in my opinion it isn't a very comfortable high, it can easily be overwhelming and make you anxious or paranoid if your unfamiliar with its effects, and I think most people will agree.
There is a class of drugs called benzodiazepines, or benzo's for short (xanax and valium are a few examples). They act as anti-anxiety agents and will calm you down and put a damper on your trip. Although you mentioned legal status as a concern, and without a prescription these drugs are illegal. There aren't any drugs I can think of off the top of my head that will smooth a trip that are legal, sorry.
I'm not sure if this is allowed, but I would have to discourage smoking any legal smokes if your prone to anxiety and panic attacks. There are a few legal substances that you might be interested in instead. For the sake of harm reduction I would suggest asking the people at the store you go to if they have any Nitrous Oxide. I can almost guarantee nitrous will be an enjoyable and euphoric experience, it forcefully pushes you into a good mood. I believe it is also much safer and healthier on your body then the synthetics you're smoking. Just make sure you look up the process on how to use it.
Regardless of what you do, take care of yourself and think about your actions.
Welcome to Bluelight and I'm glad you made it here
Hi, mate mmm! its strange because the effects seem to be kicking in again nothing like before but im feeling light headed again. Any idea why this is and how long these affects will last to completely come out of my system.
Wow i didn't no that it was used to cure righters block ect i new they where used for rituals and satanic things but thats a new one its great because ive only been on the forum for a day and ive learnt so much thank you.
So i can use it to my advantage jees ill give it ago but im abit worryed because this is my first time. and im not fully sure on coping with the affects thats the only thing that worrys me with the art and the things tonight.
Yea mate i get what u mean u cant advise people to take drugs as u dont want the responsability i agree with you its not about the drugs them selves its just in my situation they will pin anything on me they can.
I agree moderation is the key i was just exited when it come today and i thought ill have a little tester and little did i no i was going into a frigging cocktail.
I had frigging plans i was meeting someone and i had too do some shopping so i didn't intend for a full oner but as im sure you no that all was cancelled.
Hey thanks alot mate i apriceate u wishing me look and im going to keep on the forum and hopfully have some good chats with yous
thanks again its apriceated.
You're right. Many online user writen experience reports are exaggerated and are focused more on positive effects (especially Erowid). However, speaking of that, the general information on erowid.org regarding a substances general positive, neutral, and negative effects is very accurate. For questions and receiving specified feedback these forums are really the best place, people here are generally more honest and will tell you straight up what they think about something (like some of the people on this thread have done ha)
Hi, thanks for the link and i agree the forums the best place possible and tbh i dont think i would have got through my experience with out u guys helping me.
Not all legals have the same effects, and they affect everyone differently
It completely depends on who you are and how much you use. You overdid it for your first time that's why you had a panic attack. Another thing, no one really knows exactly what's in those legal smokes, so it's hard to say. When I used to smoke incense, I would start with a very low dose and work my way up to my comfort zone, but every time you do too much, then yes you will have terrible effects.
Im getting a bit worryed again because should the affects be here still very mildely 5-6 hours after. I no i really over done it but if when i try again not for a while i will start tiny and build up...
No they are all legal. The actually chemical you're smoking to get high is synthetically made in a lab and then sprayed on a herb. Most of those chemicals are made to resemble the effects of the illegal ones, and can be just as and sometimes more powerful.
They just seen frigging powerful for something thats legal but u no more than me so cool, why are they actually legal im glad they are but just curious why??? as the affects can be worse than any marijuana so why ban that but not these.
Salvia will have completely different effects. Again, depending on how much you smoke, it could be 10x more intense, but it only lasts a few minutes. It's hard for me to think of how to explain it to someone who has no experience whatsoever, so they only thing I can refer you to is this page:http://www.erowid.org/plants/salvia/salvia_effects.shtml
However, in my opinion it isn't a very comfortable high, it can easily be overwhelming and make you anxious or paranoid if your unfamiliar with its effects, and I think most people will agree.
Thanks that links very helpful. the main thing im wondering about salvia is if it can cause panic attacks or it it just like a huge powerful trip for 5-10 mins then completely out of ur system
There is a class of drugs called benzodiazepines, or benzo's for short (xanax and valium are a few examples). They act as anti-anxiety agents and will calm you down and put a damper on your trip. Although you mentioned legal status as a concern, and without a prescription these drugs are illegal. There aren't any drugs I can think of off the top of my head that will smooth a trip that are legal, sorry.
Thanks mate thats very helpful lets just say their all available to me.
I'm not sure if this is allowed, but I would have to discourage smoking any legal smokes if your prone to anxiety and panic attacks. There are a few legal substances that you might be interested in instead. For the sake of harm reduction I would suggest asking the people at the store you go to if they have any Nitrous Oxide. I can almost guarantee nitrous will be an enjoyable and euphoric experience, it forcefully pushes you into a good mood. I believe it is also much safer and healthier on your body then the synthetics you're smoking. Just make sure you look up the process on how to use it.
Regardless of what you do, take care of yourself and think about your actions.
Welcome to Bluelight and I'm glad you made it here
Wow sorry if its not allowed if its not sorry mods. Im not actually prone to panic attacks as this is the first set i can remember i think its because my bodys never had it and i made a cocktail out of them and went overkill.
I dont go to a store mate i shop online, because the nearest one is 40 miles away and i dont drive. thanks as well mate ill mail about nitrous oxide.
I will think about my actions and thank you for the concern and nice comments i apriceate it...
blue lights by far the best place and tbh ive never met such frendly members so thanks blue light.
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You should be fine.
Thanks but *should be ok* ???? not definatly, i dont want to go like un concious in my sleep.
Thanks alot
shishigami
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I can't make declaration of certainty about anything. You should be just means that most people (in fact everyone that I ever have heard of) was fine in your situation.
Take the drug 2C-E for instance. Two months ago most people would have said that even in large doses there isn't much to worry about physically, yet new evidence suggests that this is not true.
Basically, looking at past instances where people have freaked out from taking too much synthetic cannabinoids and amiratas they have been fine. But hey maybe your dizzy because you have a brain tumor, I just can't know. That's why I said 'should be' instead of 'will be.'
Don't worry, and if you do just wait until the dizziness subsides.
Take the drug 2C-E for instance. Two months ago most people would have said that even in large doses there isn't much to worry about physically, yet new evidence suggests that this is not true.
Basically, looking at past instances where people have freaked out from taking too much synthetic cannabinoids and amiratas they have been fine. But hey maybe your dizzy because you have a brain tumor, I just can't know. That's why I said 'should be' instead of 'will be.'
Don't worry, and if you do just wait until the dizziness subsides.