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Hawaiian Baby W seed question

I bought some HBW seeds about 2 years ago but have never gotten around to trying them (this is the first time I've run out of acid in that time). They've been in a baggie in a box. Does anyone know if the LSAs and/or stuff that makes you sick get more or less potent over time?
 
Desert-Mirage said:
so 4 will do me good?
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start with four. if it is enough for a good trip, then hey you have more total doses in your stash. if it's not strong enough, then you'll know... but at least you won't have wasted more than you need to. and if it's TOO STRONG (you'd be a lucky devil), then take two or three for your next trip.
 
Ive had a fair amount of experience with HBWR and I cannot imagine taking less than 8 being worthwhile. And yes, I know of the various kinds and have tried plenty batches from different reliable vendors.
 
DaleGribble said:
Ive had a fair amount of experience with HBWR and I cannot imagine taking less than 8 being worthwhile. And yes, I know of the various kinds and have tried plenty batches from different reliable vendors.
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yup and i personally need at least 7 or 8 good seeds as well. some people, however, get effects from a much smaller dose.... 4 seeds might leave you guessing about whether or not they're active, but they might also send a person with different neurochemistry flying.
 
ok so ive heard that these seeds are extremely sensitive to "light"....how long do you think they can stay fresh in the light before the LSA is all destroyed?
 
Desert-Mirage said:
ok so ive heard that these seeds are extremely sensitive to "light"....how long do you think they can stay fresh in the light before the LSA is all destroyed?
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That's if they are crushed / powdered.

I believe whole seeds should be ok if exposed to light though, I mean it is coming from a flower which generally grows in the presence of light so I think they have already been exposed.
 
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slimvictor said:
Alantis, I wonder how you did your water extraction?
Did you wait long enough, and shake the jar enough?
If not, it won't work.
Takes around 6-8 hours, with vigorous shaking for 5 minutes every hour, in my experience.
(I have only done it this way, and it has worked every time.)
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I did a 1 hour cold water extraction (stirring every 15 minutes) with morning glory seeds and it worked amazingly. I think the main thing is to keep it in a cold and dark place (in the fridge), and to increase the dosage. I use double the amount that I would when just munching the seeds, and it's definitely worth doing it that way.
 
i've done and shared more than my fair share of HBWR and MG's.
5 is nearly too little HBWR, 15+ is asking for dangerous vasoconstrictive effects.

Buy a cheap ass coffee grinder and blow the shits to smithereens and:
a. parachute and drink OJ (this blows the trip in hyperdrive and helps with all the base you just ingested)
b. make a tasty ass beverage, knowing that alcohols or acids help best with extraction. through experimentation we found the best combination to be:
rum or vodka (1-3 shots) + OJ + some kool aid or concentrate drink mix

enjoy either one
option a is neatest but b is 'funnest'

option 'b' requires ample time and agitation to raise the entropy of mixing to get the mix right. If done correctly it can hit you the fastest and with the alc be the most euphoric
 
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I've tried HWBR only once, but at that time I dosed 8 seeds, which was rather strong yet not overwhelming dosage for then quite inexperienced me - I'd try 5-6 seeds at least, for the first time, but better always aim low if you're not sure. Crushed the seeds and mixed with water, drunk the mix immediately and worked fine.

And yeah, like Fixed5217 mentioned above, I'd definetely recommend to have a shot or two of vodka or some other liquor with HBWR / MG seeds to combat the vasoconstriction.
 
Big)Sky said:
Seems like the effects vary on these. I ordered about 100 seeds a while back and still have yet to indulge. I have been thinking more about it and i think im going to try it out. If i get sick i guess ill just lay in my yard and have way with the earth.

My seeds are Ghana Strain if that means anything?
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Desert-Mirage said:
mine are Hawaiian..but im sure they are very similar in chemical makeup;)
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The general opinion on the internet seems to be:

GOD TIER: Hawaiian strain
HIGH TIER: Madagascar strain, Reunion Island strain
MID TIER: Indian strain
SHIT TIER: Ghana strain


This corresponds to my experience with the seeds, which is with madagascar strain only: 12 seeds is an intense visual trip, 6 seeds is mildly visual and a good trip, 3-4 seeds is a nice controllable mindfuck with barely any visuals but still moderate euphoria, introspection and psychedelic headspace.

Edit: A friend of mine talks about an Australian "Alligator Creek" strain grown in north Queensland, which is supposedly pretty potent as well.
 
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basement_shaman said:
The general opinion on the internet seems to be:

GOD TIER: Hawaiian strain
HIGH TIER: Madagascar strain, Reunion Island strain
MID TIER: Indian strain
SHIT TIER: Ghana strain


This corresponds to my experience with the seeds, which is with madagascar strain only: 12 seeds is an intense visual trip, 6 seeds is mildly visual and a good trip, 3-4 seeds is a nice controllable mindfuck with barely any visuals but still moderate euphoria, introspection and psychedelic headspace.

Edit: A friend of mine talks about an Australian "Alligator Creek" strain grown in north Queensland, which is supposedly pretty potent as well.
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I had seeds from North Queensland for my first HBWR trip recently but they werent called 'Alligator Creek'. 'Alligator Creek' would be a strange name given we have crocodiles not alligators in Australia but who knows.

I had 8 seeds and experienced the effects you describe from 3-4. However, I didnt get bad nausea or any noticable vasoconstriction so my question to everyone is does potency really matter?

If seeds have less LSAs do they also have correspondingly less of the bad stuff that makes you sick and you can therefore just have twice as many for the same effects?
 
i have a little trip report/"alergy test", and a couple questions.

T+00:00 - chewed 1 HBWR seed for as long as i could. i read somewhere that 15min chewing is recommended, but after about 3min the peices where so small that it was difficult to not swallow. this was about 90min after a light breakfast.
T+00:30 - began to feel slighly nauseous, slightly restless, and very lethargic. this continues for about 2 hours.
T+02:30 - feel much better by this stage. feel great, in fact.. alert, focused, content, chilled out in front of the TV.
T+03:00 - chew 1 more seed
T+03:30 - feel the unwanted symtoms from earlier, except far less severe. perhaps only 20% of what i felt earlier, and for only 30mins or so.
T+04:00 - back to feeling twice as good as T+02:30, for the next 3-4 hours before coming down


i realise these are very low doses, but im a bit of a lightweight and taking it cautiously.


1. any advice for dealing with the negative come up feelings. is there a particular reason why they occur, and is it anything to be concerned about? ie am i doing something harmful to my body?

2. im curious if anyone has any experience taking more seeds a few hours after taking an initial dose(at a more normal dosage range) in attempt to maintain a mild effect? eg taking 5-6 then 2-3 more later on.

3. im also looking into legal herbs as a potentiator(i dont have access to weed). Turnera diffusa/Damiana and Leonotis leonurus/Dagga herb and extract are at the top of my list. is either less preferable or not recommended? or is there something else more suitable?

4. is it possible to chew these things for 15mins?


thanks for reading :)
 
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I'm kinda frustrated with this server maintenance right now. I vested quite a few minutes in a comprehensive response to guide you and answer your questions--then bam **server crash**--no more response.

I will repeat.

1. The negative come up feelings are due to 2 things: a) the bodies reaction to lysergic amides, and b) the fact that those constituents are basic buffers and upset stomach pH
-LSA also causes vasoconstriction which can be quite pronounced at higher doses; I just remember my legs hurting internally and not from soreness at a dose of 16-17 seeds

If you dose properly, the general consensus is that this is nothing to worry about

You can do a few things to combat the feelings:
1) Balance your stomach pH by drinking something kind of acidic, like Orange Juice
---Some people say Vitamin C potentiates the trip(including me...); while this is unverified, having a healthy intake can only be a positive thing
2. Having a little bit of alcohol (I like some liquor--mixed into my Oj of course) combats vasoconstriction and eases body load in general--just a couple standard drinks though will be the only dose that alcohol will be a worthwhile additive
3. Smoking marijuana is a classic manner to reduce nausea and enhance the quality of the trip in General
--Taking dimenhydrate is another way to combat nausea, but it: adds drowsiness, deliriousness, and suppresses the burp or vomiting reflex--the latter of which actually really sucks!

2) Yes, sort of. In usage of drink preparations to consume LSA, I would take an hour or so to finish the drink, thus reducing the impulse on my stomach, or lowering the instantaneous load and nausea.
As far as waiting a few hours to try to bring the trip back, idk. At higher doses you probably won't want to anyway.

3) I've combined 1. smoked datura and smoked amanitas in addition to adding nitrous or cigarettes into the experience. datura adds a cool but subtle edge. So do the smoked amanitas, and doing those helps combat the dry mouth of the datura. nitrous is a brief addition

Idk about the other things. Maybe lotus smoked would increase relaxation. Nothing should really have a problem interaction with LSA--avoid things that would increase the vasoconstriction though.

5. yes...but why would you want to? If you get it to a pulpy mass, you should just treat it like a dip, or smokeless tobacco and just give it time to absorb into the tissue lining the mouth.

Most people find this disgusting especially after the pavlovian conditioning that hurling binds to taste of the seeds.

Personally I find that the best trips I've ever had on LSA involve grinding and parachuting. one easy step. And you get maximized surface area for quicker absorption anyway (if you want to keep dosing hbwr, invest 10 dollars on a coffeemate grinder--those work wonders)

Glad you enjoy the stuff man, and If you do nothing else different next time at least try drinking a fair quantity of OJ after seed ingestion (they sit on your stomach for hours, so this is worthwhile even 4-5 hours into the trip)
I've really gotten my mileage increased by doing such--like 12+ hours!
 
anonymiss said:
it really does feel like natural lsd

the patterns are more native american rather than spacey like acid
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wierd, but spot on exactly per my experience. Maybe native americans incorporated morning glory seed consumption experience into their artwork design(nowhere near out of the question and probably highly likely)

Tribes in southwest used peyote and in mexico I believe alot of them consumed morning glories in addition to mushrooms. I think there's a reason the native americans were so wise...
 
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