Australian Analogue Legislation

[Mr Blonde]

^ Apparently not without a permit.

 

[yumdma]

yohimbe or products containing it, generally are confiscated by customs if they come across them.

 

[Mr Blonde]

I wonder why they take yohimbine so seriously? I can see why it would fall under plant and food importation for quarantine purposes, but they seem to want to specifically make sure you can't get it for some reason.

 

[grugz]

(2) A substance is a controlled drug if the substance (the drug analogue) is, in relation to a controlled drug listed in subsection (1) (or a

stereoisomer, a structural isomer (with the same constituent groups) or an alkaloid of such a controlled drug):

(a) a stereoisomer; or

(b) a structural isomer having the same constituent groups; or

(c) an alkaloid; or

(d) a structural modification obtained by the addition of one or more of the following groups:

(i) alkoxy, cyclic diether, acyl, acyloxy, mono‑amino or dialkylamino groups with up to 6 carbon atoms in any alkyl

residue;

(ii) alkyl, alkenyl or alkynyl groups with up to 6 carbon atoms in the group, where the group is attached to oxygen

(for example, an ester or an ether group), nitrogen, sulphur or carbon;

(iii) halogen, hydroxy, nitro or amino groups; or

(e) a structural modification obtained in one or more of the following ways:

(i) by the replacement of up to 2 carbocyclic or heterocyclic ring structures with different carbocyclic or

heterocyclic ring structures;

(ii) by the addition of hydrogen atoms to one or more unsaturated bonds;

(iii) by the replacement of one or more of the groups specified in paragraph (d) with another such group or groups;

(iv) by the conversion of a carboxyl or an ester group into an amide group; or

(f) otherwise a homologue, analogue, chemical derivative or substance substantially similar in chemical structure;

however obtained, except where the drug analogue is separately listed in subsection (1).

last sentance means if the analogue is also listed in the normal drugs list (e.g. MDEA is a analogue of MDMA but is also listed in subsection (1) so its not considered a analogue but itself a border controlled substance

cant find the clause that says you are guilty of (trafficking,possession etc) if you are selling one substance (whether inactive or not) as another. for example if you had 100 panadols and sold them as esctasy you would get done for trafficking esctasy. I've seen it but cant seem to find it again.

 

[mind&memory]

I wonder why they take yohimbine so seriously? I can see why it would fall under plant and food importation for quarantine purposes, but they seem to want to specifically make sure you can't get it for some reason.

I think because it would be sold as a 'legal high' and actually has some good effects. The amazing thing is that it only mentions yohimbine, not yohimbe, so you might get away with ordering some dry yohimbe but then youd risk the effects of other alkoloids found in yohimbe, which is SO backwards because if we had access to pure yohimbe there would be no scary MAOI/ ignorance effects, apart from the raised pulse thing which is what 4 shots of esspresso does anyway.

 

[grugz]

Some how I dont think "4 shotsof expresso do the same thing" wil go down too well in court

 

[grugz]

Also, does anyone have a PDF of scheduled substances in Australia? I used to have that and handed it out to a few BL'ers, but now I've lost it and am rebuilding up my data after a year off Bluelight.

i have a list of "controlled substances" and "border controlled substances" but the word doc is too big to be attached. if your interested and want it i have no idea how to send it to you thou.

 

[phase_dancer]

I wonder why they take yohimbine so seriously?

Probably due to a number of reasons; Maoi properties (interactions with many pharms), cardiovascular (particularly with those suffering hypertension), respiratory depression etc. It's also known to cause priapism at higher doses.


Because laws in Aus and NZ differ somewhat from most other countries, how about a sticky with links to, or excerpts from relative legislations? Amendments could be added as they are released. It seems to me there's always going to be questions and uncertainty about certain compounds, so a good easy to find reference is needed imo.

 

[Jabberwocky]

^good point. just mentioned it to the lads. it might be worth sticking in the headers, as stickies tend to get skimmed over, for extra broadcast.