Misc 25 years old and zero libido after taking sleeping pills for over a year.

[shred81]

Get a hormone panel done. I'd be willing to bet your testosterone levels are not up to par after all those drugs. That is without a single fucking doubt the cause of your low libido. At that young of an age, your physique will not be impacted regardless.


Oh yeah, and 90% of it is probably psychosomatic, so calm the fuck down, breath, and put on a Jenna Haze double feature.

But if my libido was so high my whole life and disappeared after the sleeping pill use, why would we assume this is a testosterone level issue? Sleeping pills affect the brain negatively but I never saw anything about Ambien and Lunesta affecting the HPTA? From what I have read, people who do indeed have low testosterone, and suffer libido problems due to it, generally never have never had normal libido. How would I go from having normal levels to having levels low enough to eliminate libido? The only drugs I ever took in my life were Ambien and Lunesta and neither of them affect test levels. And it was for a year, that's it. I mean there are people who abuse things for years and years.

 

[Captain.Heroin]

One more thing I forgot to discuss in detail:
After being on the Ambien for a few months, I switched to Lunesta. After Being on the Lunesta for a few months, libido went. I switched back to Ambien and within a week, libido was back. For some reason, I again used Lunesta after being on the Ambien for a few months. This time when libido went and I switched back to Ambien, libido hasn't returned. I should of quit sleeping pills totally when the libido disappeared this time, but I stayed on Ambien. Regardless, I am hoping libido comes back as it has in the bast. I do actually think this is part mental at this point because I have to admit that I am stressed out about the problem and think about it. Somehow I have to get it out of my head.

All Z-drugs are not the best medication for insomnia, I would get off of them for the long run. Ambien and related Z-drugs are definitely connected to a higher incidence of cancer.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Zopiclone#Carcinogenicity

 

[shred81]

All Z-drugs are not the best medication for insomnia, I would get off of them for the long run. Ambien and related Z-drugs are definitely connected to a higher incidence of cancer.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Zopiclone#Carcinogenicity

I mentioned in the first post in this thread that I have not taken a sleeping pill since January 12, 2011

I am trying to figure out how to get my libido back to the way it was prior to my sleeping pill use.

 

[Captain.Heroin]

I mentioned in the first post in this thread that I have not taken a sleeping pill since January 12, 2011

I am trying to figure out how to get my libido back to the way it was prior to my sleeping pill use.

Oh, I gotcha.

How long were you on sleeping medication for?

 

[SangerRainsford]

!!

One more thing I forgot to discuss in detail:
After being on the Ambien for a few months, I switched to Lunesta.you metioned it - I think the prob is psych in nature w/o a doubt, the q is whether it is lunesta-consumption, ambien cessation, or (unlikely) a combo. After Being on the Lunesta for a few months, libido went. I switched back to Ambien and within a week, libido was back. For some reason, I again used Lunesta after being on the Ambien for a few months. This time when libido went and I switched back to Ambien, libido hasn't returned.After the back/forth, things will go "astray". It's tough to speculate at that point, honestly. I should of quit sleeping pills totally when the libido disappeared this time, but I stayed on Ambien. Regardless, I am hoping libido comes back as it has in the bast. I do actually think this is part mental at this point because I have to admit that I am stressed out about the problem and think about it. Somehow I have to get it out of my head.

It will come back in time, almost assuredly. It is almost certainly not "part", but enitirely psychological. I hope I don't venture into territory I'm unfamiliar with, but a "psycholigical" effect, in this case, is entirely "psychological". We can, in theory, show the "physical" effects to the brain that cause such a psychiatric change, but those are still (in layman's terms) a 'psychological' change.
<<disclaimer, of sorts: I don't see *any* difference between psychological v psychological differences in general, I just state them as such since most view "psychological" as different than physical. IMO psychological is just a part of phyiological, and I stand by that - but it's prolly beyond the scope of what we're discussing here..>>
BUT, terms such as "i have to get it outta my head" are, IMO, mediated by wheter you want that to happen.

Get a hormone panel done. I'd be willing to bet your testosterone levels are not up to par after all those drugs.I don't wanna sway him against legitimate medical treatment, but I'd bet 1000000:1 that his hormones are completely on point.
(maybe higher - high muscular growth has increased, his physical signs of arousal are the same; this reads as a "everything works except the desire to make it work" type situation. ....wish he was in centralFL, given what I've seen here I bet I could fix this tonight lol ;P That is without a single fucking doubt the cause of your low libido. At that young of an age, your physique will not be impacted regardless.? It hasn't been... His muscle, as well as his..ahem...'erectionabiliaties' are fine. It's "libiido" that'd the issue - that is ***psycholopgical****in nature.. That's why I asked about his current sex-life (that can beat out anything...). This 'seems' like a "normal, but no 'physical desire' situation, not any ***desire*** problem.


Oh yeah, and 90% of it is probably psychosomatic, so calm the fuck down, breath, and put on a Jenna Haze double feature.

a - "psychosomatic" = "psychological" in any 'western med' sense. It's obvi a mental prob and nob a physical one, unless you call the pscyho-process "physical"
b <meh, NM>

 

[shred81]

It will come back in time, almost assuredly. It is almost certainly not "part", but enitirely psychological. I hope I don't venture into territory I'm unfamiliar with, but a "psycholigical" effect, in this case, is entirely "psychological". We can, in theory, show the "physical" effects to the brain that cause such a psychiatric change, but those are still (in layman's terms) a 'psychological' change.
<<disclaimer, of sorts: I don't see *any* difference between psychological v psychological differences in general, I just state them as such since most view "psychological" as different than physical. IMO psychological is just a part of phyiological, and I stand by that - but it's prolly beyond the scope of what we're discussing here..>>
BUT, terms such as "i have to get it outta my head" are, IMO, mediated by wheter you want that to happen.


a - "psychosomatic" = "psychological" in any 'western med' sense. It's obvi a mental prob and nob a physical one, unless you call the pscyho-process "physical"
b - which video? her earlier shit = A SLUT!!!!! Sry BLer's, but watchin ms'y Haze at 19 is prolly not a "solid" prescription to ANYTHING(that
s legal, lol). I can reco some flix but her work ~4yrs ago, isn't something I'd ever reco, especially here...<pm for GOOD reco's lol - but have torrent-sites up cuz I won't dl anything p2p ;PPPP

<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<EDIT===============PUADE. sry gonna have to pause ;PPPPPPPPPPPPPPPP

But if my libido was so high my whole life and disappeared after the sleeping pill use, why would we assume this is a testosterone level issue? Sleeping pills affect the brain negatively but I never saw anything about Ambien and Lunesta affecting the HPTA

Hey SangerRainsford, thanks a ton for responding again. Exactly, my johnson works just as it always did. If I see something that aroused me, I still get aroused. The problem is that I used to think about sex all the time and I would literally be thinking with my johnson sometimes. Now, I went from that to having no drive. I am indeed starting to think that at least part of the problem has something to do with anxiety. I have been thinking about this problem and hoping it would go away and I am indeed anxious about it. I do think getting bloodwork is a good idea if for nothing else than to calm my nerves. But to say that the problem is deff a testosterone issue, is not correct. Who knows it may be, but I certainly have seen many posts on other forums in which people who have been on injectable testosterone, still have no libido. There has to be other things at play.

 

[SangerRainsford]

It will come back in time, almost assuredly. It is almost certainly not "part", but enitirely psychological. I hope I don't venture into territory I'm unfamiliar with, but a "psycholigical" effect, in this case, is entirely "psychological". We can, in theory, show the "physical" effects to the brain that cause such a psychiatric change, but those are still (in layman's terms) a 'psychological' change.
<<disclaimer, of sorts: I don't see *any* difference between psychological v psychological differences in general, I just state them as such since most view "psychological" as different than physical. IMO psychological is just a part of phyiological, and I stand by that - but it's prolly beyond the scope of what we're discussing here..>>
BUT, terms such as "i have to get it outta my head" are, IMO, mediated by wheter you want that to happen.


a - "psychosomatic" = "psychological" in any 'western med' sense. It's obvi a mental prob and nob a physical one, unless you call the pscyho-process "physical"
I shouldn't have ventured there, that's my bad, it's outside of the scope of the thread. I tend to view fast changes to the brain as more of a physical thing than psychological.... if something like this happens, or if someone spends 6mo on oxy, I see the changes as far more 'physical' in nature - despite the clear fact that the changes take root in our brains. Sry that's definitely irrelevant here, the changes - though physically-instigated by a chemical - are "psychological" for you, in the sense we'd use here.
/and double-sorry for anything disparaging ms. haze, I do recall some decent films by her ;P



Hey SangerRainsford, thanks a ton for responding again. Exactly, my johnson works just as it always did. If I see something that aroused me, I still get aroused. The problem is that I used to think about sex all the time and I would literally be thinking with my johnson sometimes. Now, I went from that to having no drive. I am indeed starting to think that at least part of the problem has something to do with anxiety. I have been thinking about this problem and hoping it would go away and I am indeed anxious about it. I do think getting bloodwork is a good idea if for nothing else than to calm my nerves. But to say that the problem is deff a testosterone issue, is not correct. Who knows it may be, but I certainly have seen many posts on other forums in which people who have been on injectable testosterone, still have no libido. There has to be other things at play.

Oh I def get what you mean dude - *everything* is 'working' just fine, it's just that 'psychologically', well, you're not thinking about/looking for anything sexual. If it happens, you're capable, but you've noticed that you're just not seeking it out anymore/as much.
Re hormones/testosterone - if you think it'll help you 'psychologically' to get the blood work, then by all means do it! I can almost guarantee your levels will be higher than they were b4 just by what you've said so far, but I'm no dr. Oh and taking test /= a libido-raise. Generally speaking, and others can def help more here <remember there's a great steroid subforum here, people can clarify much more over there>, but test isn't the best steroid/hormone for libido. All types of steroids have different profiles, some will give almost no libido +/-, others will hinder/help. I think test is pretty 'neutral' as far as that's concerned, but my familiarity there is pretty old.

What about the sex-life? Are you.."in a position" where you can just try to have some new/different encounters, maybe see if that helps?
/if we're talking a 'psychological' problem of indifference to sexual arousal, then perhaps tackling it differently will fix said problem

 

[MrRoot]

Try watching some gay pron and see if you are turned into one

 

[SangerRainsford]

...."lol"?
sure, giving *anything* new a try would still be a major reco from me too, but I think he's already aware in that dept, whether he's open about it or not.
/edit - Shredz, if that is even potentially a plausibility, then I'd def agree to exploration there since we've pretty much ruled out anything physical. Get the bloodwork and, if applicable, get the ghey pron ;P

 

[bignbrown]

Finger your asshole a bit whilst rubbing yourself, should help get it up.

 

[SangerRainsford]

I'm sure you considered this, but is diet/sleep/etc basically in-line? How long was your sleep cycle screwy after stopping the pills?

 

[Pegasus]

I should have mentioned that I got a similar effect after abusing benzos for awhile, which of course act similarly to the drugs you were taking. In my case, I also am in fairly good shape and have always had an outrageous (IMO) sex drive. As I noticed that there was a problem with my libido, I discovered that I was physically able to get aroused, but the desire to get around to even thinking sexually was just not there. I can happily report that my libido has returned with a vengeance, and did so fairly soon after I noticed it was a problem.

The exact cause of the problem is hard to pinpoint but I think it is safe to say that the effect of these drugs on things like happiness is generally poor. I know for me that this problem came along with a general lack of feeling for most things in life and I suspect that you're going through something similar from your posts. Just remember that the body is very adaptive and problems like this generally pass with time. Also remember that moods tend to dictate your overall sense of well-being, and if your mood is negative then you are likely to have physical manifestations of this negativity. Luckily the same thing applies for positivity!


Good luck! I think your problem will resolve itself shortly, especially if you work on getting your mental health back to a positive condition.

 

[shred81]

I should have mentioned that I got a similar effect after abusing benzos for awhile, which of course act similarly to the drugs you were taking. In my case, I also am in fairly good shape and have always had an outrageous (IMO) sex drive. As I noticed that there was a problem with my libido, I discovered that I was physically able to get aroused, but the desire to get around to even thinking sexually was just not there. I can happily report that my libido has returned with a vengeance, and did so fairly soon after I noticed it was a problem.

The exact cause of the problem is hard to pinpoint but I think it is safe to say that the effect of these drugs on things like happiness is generally poor. I know for me that this problem came along with a general lack of feeling for most things in life and I suspect that you're going through something similar from your posts. Just remember that the body is very adaptive and problems like this generally pass with time. Also remember that moods tend to dictate your overall sense of well-being, and if your mood is negative then you are likely to have physical manifestations of this negativity. Luckily the same thing applies for positivity!


Good luck! I think your problem will resolve itself shortly, especially if you work on getting your mental health back to a positive condition.

Thanks a ton for sharing. How long were you on the benzos? How long after taking them did you notice your libido go? Also, how long after totally quitting them did your libido return? Also, I don't mean to get nozy but are you similar in age to me? Thanks so much for posting. I was hoping someone who went through this before would join in.

Also, to address something raised by Sanger, yes my diet and physical needs are well taken care of. I workout six days a week, I am careful as to what I eat, and I make sure to get rest.

 

[Pegasus]

^ I used benzos on and off for years around age 18 - 22... This period with the libido issue came directly after maybe eight months of daily use. I started to notice it even before quitting the benzos but didn't think much of it as I knew benzos impacted my sex drive. This was in fact one of the prime reasons I quit in under a year, as I still had quite a bit of anxiety, with the other main reason being the mental fog/ negative effects on the brain that comes with regular benzo use. The period directly after quitting benzos was a pretty strange part of my life... During this period is when I noticed that I was not totally back to normal concerning my libido, nor was my state of mind positive at all. This went on some time, it is hard to quantify looking back but I'd put somewhere in the range of a few months. Gradually things started to look up, both in sex life and life in general, and all at once it seemed that I was coming out of this stage.

I didn't realize fully at the time how much benzos were responsible, but I had another brief stint with benzos for maybe a month a year or so after the events above. I was quickly able to pinpoint the similarities to the way I began to feel in the months following the previous benzo addiction. I quickly stopped benzos again and vowed to never use them with any regularity again, which I have successfully done. In the time off of benzos, I've gotten my mental and physical (and sexual!) health into the best shape of my life and am really disgusted by how much of an impact these drugs had on my life. It is clear to me now that much of the negativity in my life during that period was a direct result of benzos, ironically, as I was taking them to deal with the very issues they were causing.

 

[shred81]

^ I used benzos on and off for years around age 18 - 22... This period with the libido issue came directly after maybe eight months of daily use. I started to notice it even before quitting the benzos but didn't think much of it as I knew benzos impacted my sex drive. This was in fact one of the prime reasons I quit in under a year, as I still had quite a bit of anxiety, with the other main reason being the mental fog/ negative effects on the brain that comes with regular benzo use. The period directly after quitting benzos was a pretty strange part of my life... During this period is when I noticed that I was not totally back to normal concerning my libido, nor was my state of mind positive at all. This went on some time, it is hard to quantify looking back but I'd put somewhere in the range of a few months. Gradually things started to look up, both in sex life and life in general, and all at once it seemed that I was coming out of this stage.

I didn't realize fully at the time how much benzos were responsible, but I had another brief stint with benzos for maybe a month a year or so after the events above. I was quickly able to pinpoint the similarities to the way I began to feel in the months following the previous benzo addiction. I quickly stopped benzos again and vowed to never use them with any regularity again, which I have successfully done. In the time off of benzos, I've gotten my mental and physical (and sexual!) health into the best shape of my life and am really disgusted by how much of an impact these drugs had on my life. It is clear to me now that much of the negativity in my life during that period was a direct result of benzos, ironically, as I was taking them to deal with the very issues they were causing.

Wow, your post gives me so much hope. Everywhere you read, it mentions how these nonbenzo "z" type sleeping pills have basically the same sides as benzos. I sort of feel exactly the way you describe. I think the sleeping pills have made me feel exactly the way the benzos made you feel. I honestly feel so much better about my situation after reading your posts and I am so hopeful things will start looking up. Thanks a ton for sharing.

 

[Pegasus]

No problem, glad it helped!

 

[Mora Fiend]

Just to toss my 2 cents into this topic:

I am a 27 year old male, 6'6 300lbs, I like long walks on the beach and I am a Cancer. J/K ya'll

Honestly though I have the same problem. I IV heroin daily and take other opiates just about every day and I have noticed that if my libido was like one of those levers that controls the speed of a tractor it would be on turtle instead of rabbit

I haven't had sex in over 7 months and I really couldn't say that I even care. I am not sure what causes it but honestly I am just happy being in love with my heroin instead of some bitch like my ex-fiancee who's just going to cause drama and make me feel like shit. Maybe the heroin is what is causing my libido to be completely shut off, I would assume that it is, but I love it regardless.

OP in my opinion it's the chemicals that are causing your libido to be shut off. I am sure you've already figured that out, but I figured id share. Best of luck man, get in those pants and make em dance

 

[Pegasus]

^Yeah, many opiates definitely decrease testosterone, even to the point of necessitating testosterone therapy for some people. This was a big reason when I switched to bupe as it is shown to not have this effect on testosterone.

 

[shred81]

^Yeah, many opiates definitely decrease testosterone, even to the point of necessitating testosterone therapy for some people. This was a big reason when I switched to bupe as it is shown to not have this effect on testosterone.

I know this is gonna throw a twist to this thread. I didn't want to mention it earlier because I didnt want to confuse the situation. As I mentioned earlier, i am pretty serious about working out. I actually was thinking about doing my first cycle of steroids for awhile. I was supposed to start even before my libido went. I never went ahead with it because I wanted to first figure out what was going on with me and what the sleeping pills did etc..
I am sort of tempted to do a cycle of testosterone and proviron, along with all the needed ancillaries. I have read a ton about AAS and know that hcg needs to be used on cycle with clomid and nolva post. I think it would help me get my mind off this issue, which will prob be a huge help. I really doubt my hormonal levels are messed up because the only thing that changed was the introduction of sleeping pills. Nothing happened that would of harmed my testosterone production which was obviously at least normal as my libido was super high up until many months of sleeping pill use.
I was wondering what you guys thought of this.

 

[Mora Fiend]

^ If noone here can help ya Shred ask over in Steroid discussion, those guys would def know what to tell ya in regards to that situation.