Popularity of MDPV in America?

[Dedbeet]

^^ Maybe only some of us Internet freaks actually enjoy it then .

MDPV can be kind of an acquired taste sometimes...

 

[ektamine]

If you could find one person in the 831 that knows about any RC, you're a champ. Mostly its just weed around here.

You must be in a different part of the 831, or hang out with a different crowd

My circle of friends do a lot more drugs than just weed, on a regular basis too. There is truckloads of drugs... MDMA, MDA, LSD, Ketamine, Coke, Meth, Heroin, Mushrooms, DMT... All in a relatively strong supply too. Santa Cruz has TONS of drugs, thats one of the reasons I like it so much.

RC's, yeah, not too many people in Santa Cruz know about them, but I'll put it this way: All my friends do. But I'm mostly to blame for that part...

Still, with the kind of people I hang around here most of them know what things like 2C-I, 2C-E etc are. And a good number of them have heard of MDPV/Mephedrone/Bath Salts...

You just gotta hit up the raver kids and the dope fiends... they know where the good stuff is.

 

[ODB]

Everyone I know says MDPV is very panicky and not very recreational. Like all the tweeky aspects of meth without the euphoria. But they could be lying to me.

 

[Delsyd]

I should also note that I haven't binged on this, and my doses haven't exceeded 10 mg at a time or 50 mg total over about 6 hours and at least 4 days between uses. I'm sure I could make it bad by pushing it harder. I do agree that its easy to cross the line from pleasure to pain with pv.

thats the key.

Youre not doing wrong, everyone else is.

MDPV is very VERY potent and most people are using shit tons of the stuff.
If your doses are kept low and you dont abuse it it shouldnt have much negatives (as with most substances)

 

[ektamine]

^ Excellent advice.

The largest problem with MDPV is that its so cheap, so available, and moderately addictive (compulsive).
Those three factors are what leads to most PV users' downfall (including my own).

 

[kaleidoscopeeyes]

Everyone I know says MDPV is very panicky and not very recreational. Like all the tweeky aspects of meth without the euphoria. But they could be lying to me.

in my experiences it seems that way bc any ive had is very nearly pure so the correct dose for an experience i enjoy is very very small, and ive seem friends snort big coke rails of it and then flip out

but i kind of attribute this to it being talked about as "legal coke" around here
which is of course wrong because a) its not legal in la and b) the high is nothing like coke8)

 

[peacelovedope]

Yeah I saw some guy in a local headshop buying some of that "bath salt" shit. So have the "bath salts" turned out to be MDPV only, or have other RC's such as mephedrone been reported?

 

[kaleidoscopeeyes]

i am pretty sure they have been mephedrone as well, in my particular area at least..i am really not sure, to be honest, and that sums up the problem with "bath salts".

on a side note, we also have some being sold as "toilet bowl cleaner". bahaha.

 

[ektamine]

Stay away from bath salts. I feel like I've said that a million times but need to say it a billion times more. It's a lost cause, but stay away from bath salts, and tell all your friends to stay away from bath salts.

MDPV is a decent drug, bath salts are not.

 

[PinezPeakZ]

I'm uncomfortable hearing someone say they agree with the DEA about public safety. I'm not sure that public safety is the DEAs true mandate.

I'm being a little selfish, I guess. I wanna keep my drugs. I use as responsibly as a recreational user can. Exhaustive research, start extremely small and work up, I don't sell them or even let them leave the house for that matter, no driving while high...all the stuff that I feel MOST of us do.

I'm not evil. If there is something that is hurting people who aren't abusing it then, by all means, get that shit off the street. I honestly don't wanna see anyone hurt. I'm even rooting for bathsalt to realize he should be a little more informed about what he ingests. But to say the DEA should make more bans because garbage can druggies are abusing whatever drug doesn't sit well.

If they ban RCs altogether I bet bathsalt will find something new to abuse at the pharmacy, hardware store, gas station....then will we call for the government to bring more bans or regulations against gas and spray paint or cough medicine? I hope not.

I'm not a fan of the DEA at all of there policy but I completely agree with them with banning bath salts.

 

[ektamine]

^ You should really put some more thought into that.

If you agree with banning ANY drug, then you agree that the government should be able to control what we put into our bodies. Thats inherent to agreeing with ANY ban of a substance meant for personal consumption. You can't agree with banning 'just some things', because guess who gets to decide what things those are? not you, its the DEA/government.

The rational standpoint (imo) is to be opposed to ANY and ALL prohibition, and instead support EDUCATION which will minimize the damage caused by reckless abuse of things like 'bath salts'. In fact, if there was no prohibition, there would be no bath salts, only the pure chemicals that come inside them.

 

[PinezPeakZ]

^ You should really put some more thought into that.

If you agree with banning ANY drug, then you agree that the government should be able to control what we put into our bodies. Thats inherent to agreeing with ANY ban of a substance meant for personal consumption. You can't agree with banning 'just some things', because guess who gets to decide what things those are? not you, its the DEA/government.

The rational standpoint (imo) is to be opposed to ANY and ALL prohibition, and instead support EDUCATION which will minimize the damage caused by reckless abuse of things like 'bath salts'. In fact, if there was no prohibition, there would be no bath salts, only the pure chemicals that come inside them.

Education only helps to a certain extent. From what I've witnessed with many "addicts" rational thinking goes out the window completely once addiction sets in. Most people that use drugs are fully aware of negative health effects substances can potentially have. Addiction will almost always get the best of people. I think the best example is heroin granted I do not know a lot of people by any means that use dope on a regular basis. Almost everyone that I've known that has used heroin has almost lost complete control. I just do not see how legalizing everything would benefit society in general. I enjoy many substances in moderation and I fully support harm reduction. I just do not think that is remotely practical. As far as "bath salts" go it really makes not sense to me within a few mins on google you can many domestic vendors selling relatively "pure" product.

 

[ektamine]

Education only helps to a certain extent... ok, so you think just up and banning drugs and not educating people further than 'don't do it, its illegal' is a smarter plan 8)...
no, you either allow people to take what they want or you don't, its that simple.

 

[sighhill]

Education only helps to a certain extent. From what I've witnessed with many "addicts" rational thinking goes out the window completely once addiction sets in. Most people that use drugs are fully aware of negative health effects substances can potentially have. Addiction will almost always get the best of people. I think the best example is heroin granted I do not know a lot of people by any means that use dope on a regular basis. Almost everyone that I've known that has used heroin has almost lost complete control. I just do not see how legalizing everything would benefit society in general. I enjoy many substances in moderation and I fully support harm reduction. I just do not think that is remotely practical. As far as "bath salts" go it really makes not sense to me within a few mins on google you can many domestic vendors selling relatively "pure" product.

^^^You are obviously thinking much too highly of the average American's intellengance. I knew of RC"s such as 4mmc and Peevee before bath salts while most knew of bath salts before myself. I hate to admit it, but I was even naive about the topic when I first heard of a bath salt getting people hyped. The way it was described to me, first thing that popped in my head was that some moron snorted a certain brand of bath salt and brilliantly discovered a compound that could be used as a coke or meth substitute. I even remember thinking to myself....."and all those Chinese chemist in the lab trying to find the next mephedrone and some dumbass who snorted bath salt discovers it on a dare..." Hahaha

 

[ektamine]

The time-and-true fact of the matter is, we've seen this over and over again: people are going to do drugs (sometimes recklessly) whether or not they are banned.

They've banned methamphetamine.... have we seen any less methamphetamine addicts who are completely able to get methamphetamine? no.

The only rationale approach society can take toward drugs is to legalize – to minimize crime – and educate – to minimize self-harm. From there, if people still continue to ruin their lives on drugs, well, they aren't ready to be helped and they are going to do what they want to do whether we make that illegal or not.

I think the best example is heroin granted I do not know a lot of people by any means that use dope on a regular basis. Almost everyone that I've known that has used heroin has almost lost complete control. I just do not see how legalizing everything would benefit society in general.

You just said it yourself. Heroin is already banned, yet they continue to be addicted to it, seek it out, and do it. BUT, the downside here is, because its illegal no one can really help them other than tell them to go to rehab. The justice system will turn them into criminals, and keeping heroin illegal makes for all the crime that surrounds it. If heroin and everything else were legal, treatment and research would go mainstream and accepted, we wouldn't be making criminals out of them, and the whole industry could be controlled and regulated (no dealers, no widely varying product, no OD'ing).

 

[Dspoon]

I have sampled 4 different brands of "bath salt", in the past four days and i have to say i was really impressed! My first expwerience was very scary i was way to high and extremely paranoid, but this most recent bender was quite enjoyable, i never felt like i was to high and never got paranoid. One specific brand even gave me the "freight train" rush that is often described when using meth or coke. The comedown was also very easy all things considered it, was easily controled by some organic herb inhalation a plate of munchies and plenty of water. I will definately be doing it again before its illegal. My method of using this drug is definately frowned upon but its just how i do it, i know the risks and excersize the highest level of harm prevention i can, which is why i have joined here. I do have a list of different brands and the effects they had on me in relation to how i used them, i was wondering if there is anyone where i can post that info thats appropriate, any help would be appreciated.

 

[Tommyboy]

^ I will PM you about what we allow.