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Sameria said:
Let's not forget that America and the CIA were the ones responsible for arming the Taliban in the 80's to fight the russians and install a US. Friendly Regime in Afghanistan...I wonder why...it wouldn't be to invade the country years later and take all their oil and control the opium market would it? No, certainly not, a great country like the US of A wouldn't do something like that :P
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You think they plan that far ahead? Throughout numerous republican and democrat presidents? I think you give them too much credit.


US definitely funded and provided arms to the Taliban and other people fighting the soviets.

Don't forget they did this during the cold war where communism was seen as a big threat. After Vietnam they were hardly going to send in troops. I'm not sure about you but that makes more sense to me than what you're suggesting...that they did this to get public support for an invasion 20 years later to take all their oil and opium.

Bit of a shame this thread turned out like this but what can you do. Would have been interesting to discuss heroin supply/manufacture.

Remember - just because I'm stating things that I believe to be true doesn't mean I agree with the actions.
 
Christ! said:
You think they plan that far ahead? Throughout numerous republican and democrat presidents? I think you give them too much credit.


US definitely funded and provided arms to the Taliban and other people fighting the soviets.

Don't forget they did this during the cold war where communism was seen as a big threat. After Vietnam they were hardly going to send in troops. I'm not sure about you but that makes more sense to me than what you're suggesting...that they did this to get public support for an invasion 20 years later to take all their oil and opium.

Bit of a shame this thread turned out like this but what can you do. Would have been interesting to discuss heroin supply/manufacture.

Remember - just because I'm stating things that I believe to be true doesn't mean I agree with the actions.
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I don't think you give them enough credit :)

They install puppet governments all around the world...no doubt many we have no idea about. The billions of dollars in untaxed profits from drug trafficking and their near exemption to law gives security agencies like the CIA unparalleled power.
I am not so much saying that Oil and Opium were the only reasons the US invading Afghanistan...simply that the justifications for going to war were so confused and colluded it is silly to ignore the connection. The "Death" of Osama Bin Laden and the "War on Terrorism" as a whole are mere tactics for those in power to become richer and more powerful.

Far more reputible news sources exist than the broadsheet and the 7pm news :\
 
Sameria said:
I don't think you give them enough credit :)

They install puppet governments all around the world...no doubt many we have no idea about. The billions of dollars in untaxed profits from drug trafficking and their near exemption to law gives security agencies like the CIA unparalleled power.
I am not so much saying that Oil and Opium were the only reasons the US invading Afghanistan...simply that the justifications for going to war were so confused and colluded it is silly to ignore the connection. The "Death" of Osama Bin Laden and the "War on Terrorism" as a whole are mere tactics for those in power to become richer and more powerful.

Far more reputible news sources exist than the broadsheet and the 7pm news :\
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I don't watch the news or read any mainstream entertainment newspapers (like the sun, the advertiser etc.). What are these reliable news sources and do they provide real evidence?

I know the CIA were involved in quite a few drug trafficking incidents in the past but I'm not sure of any evidence that points to them still being engaged in this. I'm not sure the scope of their involvement either, I'll have to read up. I'd imagine the US and allies would turn a blind eye to opium cultivation because it's the peoples main income (which is very small anyway)

The US would obviously prefer to have friendly governments to deal with that they can influence if possible. In some situations they install these by force. No doubt our government would be all for that as well. Who votes our leaders in? How would you improve this system?

Sometimes I think people go a bit overboard with the whole secret plots and tangled webs of conspiracy. The US, UK, AUS etc. governments aren't perfect by any means, they make mistakes, they are generally going to do what they think is in their best interests. I don't think they're Satan incarnate though. I mostly believe in democracy but again - not perfect. Corruption with power and peoples individual self interests will always come into play.

The world is a messed up place with thousands starving every day. We talk about 'the wealthy' but we are in fact those people. The 'super dooper wealthy' generally get that way from us....IMO the scale has tipped way too far between poor and rich, it's disgusting really.

Probably worth moving this now mods. Hopefully it gets moved to social or something and I never see this thread again :P no disrespect to conspiracy theorists but I've had bad experiences in the past with them. (I'm not calling anyone inpaticular a conspiracy theoriest btw ;))
 
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I find this all a bit weird, and dosent make much sense. In the room they "killed" him there was no bullet holes in the walls or anywere. Sure the room is trashed, but what dosent make sense to me is that everything is everywhere, yet no bullet holes in the wall? It's like they went in there and wrestled the cunt instead of just straight shooting him.

The US better release some proof shots. Why should anyone believe what obama says? Who cares about the head shot being to "horrific" to show. Im sure the people of the US would prefer to see the proof shot rather then not.
 
Should clarify.

Probably worth moving this now mods. Hopefully it gets moved to social or something and I never see this thread again :P no disrespect to conspiracy theorists but I've had bad experiences in the past with them. (I'm not calling anyone inpaticular a conspiracy theoriest btw ;))
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What I mean by this is it's not worth arguing about. It's similar to arguing about religion...we all have our beliefs and it's hard-coded into our brains to sometimes/or all the time believe things without evidence.

Some conspiracy theory believers remind me very much of strongly religious types and draw so many flawed conclusions from flimsy evidence...I don't have a problem with them though, because I can kind of relate...being human and having flaws with our thinking and believing what seems apparent to us as the truth. Our brains are actually pretty poor at a lot of things (which is why we have science and calculators :D)

Ok I'm done. Peace to all! <3
 
^ Yeah eventually I will close this down. I just figured that such big moment in our history had occurred (or allegedly occurred, for that crowd) and that we could have some discussion about it.

I have to say, I didn't realize there were so many alternative theories people in AusDD. :)
 
I read this a couple years back and the info in it is still relevant today.

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Very interesting read.
 
yeh the author is an australian journo who gets himself into some interesting situations whilst really looking to uncover the truth of the poppy farming & trade (which he does very well with some persistence). Factual info aside, it's a great read :)
 
Cheers lostNfound will most def. be checking out that book :)

Daily Mail is far from the best source but figured some of you guys would be interested in this - http://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/art...ched-die-White-House-reveals-WASNT-armed.html

Discrepancies in the accounts shouldn't be mixed up like this if it's true. However, I think the fact they corrected it is more telling....they could have very easily gone with the original report of Osama being armed.

Also, I'm starting to think he probably should have been captured. Even though he's said in the past he'll never be captured alive, maybe more effort could have been made. Secondly, they should have kept this under wraps for as long as possible so they could have used the intel gathered to jump on other members who would have been caught unaware...I'd imagine now that it's known a motherload of intel has been gathered al-qaeda will switch up any plans and compromised members will go underground. This is pretty typical of US anti-terrorism, maybe somewhat understandable. When the british 'liquid bomb plot' was discovered US wanted to jump on suspects straight away while british MI5 wanted to gather enough evidence to make sure they could lock them all up for a long time.


Cheers again lostNfound appreciate the recommendation big time.
 
Fucking US government. How conveniant to not show any photo's of his "death" photo's.

Bunch of untrustworthy cunts. It's no surprise really, this type of shit has been going on for years now.
 
Read in the paper today about how many times the US Government has changed their initial story + findings.

The whole thing is defiantly fishy. It surprises me how they get upset when the majority of the population thinks that they lie and create all sorts of bullshit..Well no wonder! Release the photos or at least release the footage of one of the 12 helmet cams worn by the SEAL team.
 
Bin Laden met in a US Hospital in Dubai, Pakistan in July of 2001 with the CIA.

The first video of "Osama" if you compare it to pictures and video of Bin Laden clearly is NOT him, but it was used as justification for war.
Intelligence agencies around the world verified the "Bin Laden" videos to be fake, in 2004 the U.S. asked Intel agencies such as the Swiss intelligence to stop authenticating the videos.
In 2006 at a hackers conference called "Blackhat", a presentation was done on how there is a digital watermark in videos of "Osama" released that belongs to a company called "Intel Centre" which has strong ties to the Pentagon.
He was always a CIA asset. I believe he died sometime in 2002, according to white house sources such as Steve Pieczenik saying he was "on ice" and was going to be rolled out sometime when it was politically convenient.

This is all total bullshit, the war on terror is manufactured by western intelligence and the military industrial complex.

If you haven't heard of Sibel Edmonds you should Google her, she was an FBI whistle blower who had access to the NSA's Echelon. She says Bin Laden was actually an employee of the CIA up until the very day of September 11th, 2001.

If you haven't done any research into 9/11 you should, it was arguably(?) the most important event in history this century, you might be surprised what you find out.
 
GurnEr JoshE said:
Read in the paper today about how many times the US Government has changed their initial story + findings.

The whole thing is defiantly fishy. It surprises me how they get upset when the majority of the population thinks that they lie and create all sorts of bullshit..Well no wonder! Release the photos or at least release the footage of one of the 12 helmet cams worn by the SEAL team.
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Just what im talking about. How can things that dont make sense, or have different versions of events just go through with no questions asked?

Which paper was that printed out in JoshE?
 
I've seen a few docos in the past year or two about Afghan grown poppies going to USA etc. But fucked if I can recall exact names, I watch probably over 1000 shows a year since I've had chronic pain. Being 'stuck' at home in cold days/season and shit means I like to watch stuff to take my mind off my pain. I just did "Afghan poppy documentary" and remember seeing http://www.throng.co.nz/documentary/afghanistan-the-heroin-connection-0

And some guy (british?) whose son had OD'ed on Heroin did an "objective" view on the war on drugs [and why it fails], it's something like "The War On Drugs" or "The drug war", I'd look deeper but some website just woke up my wife sleeping next to me (due to give birth in 2 weeks, OOPSY) so no more 'browsing' new sites tonight, just trying to fall asleep, we have her grandad's funeral tomorrow, been a hectic crazy time past few weeks/months, deaths, births, fixing stuff for relos and me trying to get back to (part time) work all whilst still having chronic pain gives little spare time for, such as checking sites like here and so.

At least tonight I've worked out I'm buying an ASUS transformer, tablet + dockable keyboard. And a new car next year MAYBE. "greatwall" C50, Chinese company, looks like http://www.chinacarforums.com/forum/showthread.php?t=11364

Interest from yearly investment FINALLY matures tomorrow, NFI when the $$ hits the bank account, it's gonna come in handy, disability pension with family allowance and my wife only getting carer $$ (for officially taking care of me, awww, she owns :D ) means we don't have the big spare $$$ like we did when I either worked or had TAC money, $750/wk taxfree for 3 years post injury, now we're a "bludger family" ha... Well, I'm hoping to get some work again soon, managing the pain good enough so I think I could work, just need employer(s) to put trust in me, good luck with that eh?

So, on topic.. Recently I read stuff like http://www.guardian.co.uk/world/2011/may/03/osama-bin-laden-10-myths-cia-arsenal and basically says CIA 'creating' Osama (with money) is a huge myth. I'd do more research but as mentioned, grandpa-inlaw's funeral tomorrow, my wife's imminent birth and new doctor stuff is keeping me a tad busy, I don't find often having a complete minute where I'm able to sit down and do stuff all, I'm attempting to do that after this post. Rest and hope I sleep, if not 3mg xanax next to me will be downed so I can sleep but I try my best to sleep - sleep drug free, not the best since insomnia rules my world but I do my best :p

I thought I'd dribble crap in this thread since it may close 'soon', well time to try sleep. Enjoy all, hope I find more spare time (my mantra past year or so), it'd be appreciated, most likely won't happen heh *waves*
 
Because people are ignorant and most believe what the world's governments and intelligence agencies are currently doing is good for mankind.

That article was published in the West Australian today.
 
^Sweet mate.

Here's the read that Mario_x86_64 was talking about..

Former FBI translator Sibel Edmonds recently admitted that Osama Bin Laden worked for the CIA.

Former FBI translator Sibel Edmonds dropped a bombshell on the Mike Malloy radio show, guest-hosted by Brad Friedman (audio, partial transcript).

In the interview, Sibel says that the US maintained 'intimate relations' with Bin Laden, and the Taliban, "all the way until that day of September 11."

These 'intimate relations' included using Bin Laden for 'operations' in Central Asia, including Xinjiang, China. These 'operations' involved using al Qaeda and the Taliban in the same manner "as we did during the Afghan and Soviet conflict," that is, fighting 'enemies' via proxies.

As Sibel has previously described, and as she reiterates in this latest interview, this process involved using Turkey (with assistance from 'actors from Pakistan, and Afghanistan and Saudi Arabia') as a proxy, which in turn used Bin Laden and the Taliban and others as a proxy terrorist army.

Control of Central Asia
The goals of the American 'statesmen' directing these activities included control of Central Asia's vast energy supplies and new markets for military products.

The Americans had a problem, though. They needed to keep their fingerprints off these operations to avoid a) popular revolt in Central Asia (Uzbekistan, Azerbaijan, Kazakhstan and Turkmenistan), and b) serious repercussions from China and Russia. They found an ingenious solution: Use their puppet-state Turkey as a proxy, and appeal to both pan-Turkic and pan-Islam sensibilities.

Turkey, a NATO ally, has a lot more credibility in the region than the US and, with the history of the Ottoman Empire, could appeal to pan-Turkic dreams of a wider sphere of influence. The majority of the Central Asian population shares the same heritage, language and religion as the Turks.

In turn, the Turks used the Taliban and al Qaeda, appealing to their dreams of a pan-Islamic caliphate (Presumably. Or maybe the Turks/US just paid very well.)

Accordingto Sibel:

This started more than a decade-long illegal, covert operation in Central Asia by a small group in the US intent on furthering the oil industry and the Military Industrial Complex, using Turkish operatives, Saudi partners and Pakistani allies, furthering this objective in the name of Islam.

Uighurs
Sibel was recently askedto write about the recent situation with the Uighurs in Xinjiang, but she declined, apart from saying that "our fingerprint is all over it."

Of course, Sibel isn't the first or only person to recognize any of this. Eric Margolis, one of the best reporters in the West on matters of Central Asia, stated that the Uighurs in the training camps in Afghanistan up to 2001:

"were being trained by Bin Laden to go and fight the communist Chinese in Xinjiang, and this was not only with the knowledge, but with the support of the CIA, because they thought they might use them if war ever broke out with China."

And also that:

"Afghanistan was not a hotbed of terrorism, these were commando groups, guerrilla groups, being trained for specific purposes in Central Asia."

In a separate interview, Margolis said:

"That illustrates Henry Kissinger's bon mot that the only thing more dangerous than being America's enemy is being an ally, because these people were paid by the CIA, they were armed by the US, these Chinese Muslims from Xinjiang, the most-Western province.

The CIA was going to use them in the event of a war with China, or just to raise hell there, and they were trained and supported out of Afghanistan, some of them with Osama Bin Laden's collaboration. The Americans were up to their ears with this."
 
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