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Mixing ___ with a low dose of mushrooms for a fun-night-out concoction?

Seattle_Stranger

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I've made a similar thread before, but this is more fine tuned to my questions.

Basically, I'm looking to make a concoction of this and that to get me certain effects that I desire for a night out that will not be toxic and safe to use a couple times a month. Obviously, I love taking MDMA, but that can only happen far and few between, and is quite toxic, unpredictable, expensive, etc.. What if I put together a recipe of mostly organic, proven, and safe substances to give me the effects I'm looking for?

I want to have enhanced colors, lights and mild OEV effects, along side a euphoria/empathy, and a nice helping of stimulation/wakefulness. So far I feel like a low dosage of mushrooms, with a moderate dose of kratom, topped off with a moderate dose of caffeine, guarana or yerba mate SHOULD give me the effects I'm looking for.

I have some questions for those of you who are super experienced with mushrooms:

- Do you feel that a low dose of mushrooms (say < 1.5g) is good to widen pupils, give lights and colors some sparkle, maybe even add some trails? I'm not looking to trip here, I'm simply trying to use the mushrooms for their OEV effects.
- Do you think kratom or caffeine will potentiate the mushrooms or vise versa? - Do you think any of this would be a bad combo?
- Would you add/change anything to this?
- Does this sound like a bad idea altogether?

I just found an AMAZING herb shop near my place where I can buy all sorts of great herbs like damiana, skullcap, yerba, kava root, etc.. Would there be anything I should get at this shop to add to this? I was thinking of grabbing a bunch of yerba to use seeing as it's a really clean stim, but anything else?

Thanks in advance for the answers!
 
You don't need 1.5g man, that's a little overkill for what you're looking for. I grow so I've tried low dose quite often, I've found .5-.7 to be good for a night out. You're not going to get trailing on shrooms until really, really high doses but with under a gram there's still definitely a nice effect on lights and such. Plus the adrenaline is nice throughout the night.

Caffeine and shrooms don't jive with me, but if you keep the caffeine <70-80mg you should be fine. Yerba Mate would absolutely be the preferred source.

Add dark chocolate when you eat the shrooms. Ancient mayans only drank cacao on the day of ceremonies....there is a DEFINITE synergy. This is why I only use the finest dark chocolate when making shroom chocolates.
 
Interesting suggestions, thank you!

Anybody have experience with sassafras? Apparently that herb shop carries it and I'm reading about MDxx-like experiences from it!? :O
 
None of those herbs will do much for you. None of them are worth crap (though many of them are spreyed with JWH-chems and sold as legal highs). Kava


I'd pick 2C-I or 2C-B over low dose mushrooms for going out any day. I'd skip the kratom (what purpose does it serve? I'd expect it to make you nauseous, especially in combination with a psychedelic) and the excessive caffeine (using a 2C would be sufficiently stimulating). I've gone out on 2C's plenty of times, works great if you aim the dose correctly, and drinking while on them works out fine as well.

2C-I and B both have a good ratio of visuals to mental aspects (assuming you define lots of visuals as good, which you do), and so you start to get mild visuals before starting to really trip.
 
^What do you mean none of those herbs will do much for him? Damiana and skullcap are worthless, but Kratom and Kava have strong and pretty nice narcotic effects, and yerba mate is much better then coffee in my opinion and provides a mild but very nice stimulant high.

About mushrooms, I think low doses of alcohol combine well with low doses of mushrooms, contributes a lot to the euphoria, but the alcohol might kill the trip a bit so I only like to drink a bit towards the tail end of mild trips.

I love mixing stimulants with psychedelics, particularly amphetamine, but a lot of people don't like the combo. The upper would potentiate the shrooms notably so you might want to decrease the dose. I like .5-1 gram of shrooms combined with 20 mg of amphetamine and a couple shots of alcohol after a few hours for a good time.
 
TheAzo said:
None of those herbs will do much for you. None of them are worth crap (though many of them are spreyed with JWH-chems and sold as legal highs). Kava


I'd pick 2C-I or 2C-B over low dose mushrooms for going out any day. I'd skip the kratom (what purpose does it serve? I'd expect it to make you nauseous, especially in combination with a psychedelic) and the excessive caffeine (using a 2C would be sufficiently stimulating). I've gone out on 2C's plenty of times, works great if you aim the dose correctly, and drinking while on them works out fine as well.

2C-I and B both have a good ratio of visuals to mental aspects (assuming you define lots of visuals as good, which you do), and so you start to get mild visuals before starting to really trip.
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There's a few problems with your suggestions. I'm aiming for a 100% organic compound for personal reasons. The 2C's are synthetic. Also, the 2C's were expensive in the first place, and now they're illegal so that'll make them even harder to get and probably pricier. While yes, I consider the 2C-E and 2C-I that I've done to be more 'fun' than shrooms, I think for my goals here, the shrooms are a better choice. Ultimately, if I can grow all the ingredients to make this awesome sauce right in my garden... :)

Kratom is an extremely potent herb that induces strong euphoric and empathetic effects in me. It's a buzz similar to oxycodone with an added side helping of empathy and wakefulness. I've also read kratom+mushrooms is an incredibly euphoric experience and may simply be all I am looking for.

I feel like kava would be a great addition to this too, however I feel like it's way too sedating and doesn't really show it's full euphoric effects until you lay down in bed. Also, I don't think kava mixes well with alcohol at ALL and my intention is definitely to be able to drink on top of my concoction.
 
I'd look into 5 meo mipt, 4-10 mgs dose range can provide an experience that meets all those effects you are looking for.
 
guerillabedlam said:
I'd look into 5 meo mipt, 4-10 mgs dose range can provide an experience that meets all those effects you are looking for.
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He's not taking synthetics :-/ so that leaves him shrooms or LSA, neither of which are ideal, though i think the shrooms are the better option, unless he tolerates LSA significantly better.

And I don't know what godawful source you have from 2C's, but dose/dose, shrooms would cost me about an order of magnitude more...
 
^ don't gotta be such a dick. 'godawful' lol. shrooms are quite cheap if you grow them my friend.
 
TheAzo said:
He's not taking synthetics :-/ so that leaves him shrooms or LSA, neither of which are ideal, though i think the shrooms are the better option, unless he tolerates LSA significantly better.
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Ahhh missed that post...

well based solely on effects I'd say a mild-moderate dose San Pedro cacti (mescaline) and caffeine may be a good combination and closer to an mdma like experience than your shrooms/kratom/caffeine mix. Although unless you plan on chugging down nasty ass cacti brew it may be pretty expensive to extract it each and every time.
 
Thanks for the suggestions guys.

We could start the 10 page long discussion about synthetics vs organics, but that's not what I'm looking for here. I enjoyed my 2C's, and dose for dose yes they are actually cheaper than street priced shrooms. However, I can obtain mushrooms sort of retardedly easy, and also have the option to grow them myself. That, and I have a strong bias to organics. I simply feel better taking something that grew from the earth, and that's my personal preference. That's more or less the whole reason I want to do this....is I want to re-create a synthetic-like-drug experience using organic compounds. Sort of like all that herbal X crap they sell in stores, except mine will have...ya know...real stuff in it. :p

So, coming up with a killer recipe is only half of my plan here. Once I figure out a good mixture and I fine tune the dosages to be what I want it to be, I'm then going to figure out a way to boil this all down into a resin/tincture/extract/whatever, something that can ultimately be fit into a couple capsules. This part might be asking too much, but hey, it's worth a shot if I do end up whipping up an awesome concoction!

And if not capsules, then boiling a liquid down to fit in something like a 5 Hour Energy shot bottle, that would be great too!
 
I love herbs, and psychedelics...together, they can mesh perfectly and induce that organic euphoria you're seeking!

Kava and Kratom are powerful together, and sometimes make me nod. Maybe save the kava for the tail-end of the trip, like the suggestions for alcohol (use kava alone, alcohol defo is unnecessary).

Ashwagandha (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Withania_somnifera) is my favorite herb to combine with psychedelics, or anytime I need a warm blanket for my body and mind. It will allow you to fully enjoy the mind-manifesting without experiencing any stress (even if you don't get stressed, it's a perfect addition)

Green tea has l-theanine which is a dopamine precursor, and is an excellant relaxant. It counteracts the side-effects of caffeine, so it maybe be just what you're looking for in this scenario! I like it as much as Mate', though I prefer green tea daily.

Sounds like some good clean fun ^_^ Happy days amigo.

P.S> Asian (red) ginseng made as a tea or in capsules will boost the ffects of everything, while giving you added euphoria and stim ;) One of my faves...
 
The Ashwagandha you speak of is extremely interesting!

I also just did some reading on betel nut and how it goes well with mushrooms as a stimulant. Anyone care to share experience with betel nut?
 
Red Ginseng (Korean (Panax) Ginseng that has been steam-processed according to an ancient recipe that increases activity of the ginsenosides) is indeed great stuff... mildly euphoric & stimulating; increases libido in both sexes and erectile function in men; boosts immune activity; adaptogenic (anti-stress)

Ashwahanda: slightly calming so yes it is good to add to things that might be too stimulating in order to tone down possible over-reactions; boosts libido and sexual function; adaptogen

Betel Nut: yuck. The "high" is pretty gross and dirty feeling, the taste is pretty strange, and yes just like the spice-eaters in "Dune" your lips and mouth area get stained a terrible garish red. Caffeine, ephedrine, synephrine (bitter orange extract) are far superior legal stims IMHO

Rhodiola: YES! Boosts dopamine levels (anti-depressant); increases oxygen-carrying capacity of the blood (used by mountain climbers and high-altitude siberian natives for centuries); tonic for the heart muscle... reduces damage from high heart rate and/or low oxygen levels; good for altertness and attitude; was considered a very special overall health-promoting herb as far back as ancient Greeks... now its properties have been fully validated by science
 
dwaynehoover said:
red ginseng (korean (panax) ginseng that has been steam-processed according to an ancient recipe that increases activity of the ginsenosides) is indeed great stuff... Mildly euphoric & stimulating; increases libido in both sexes and erectile function in men; boosts immune activity; adaptogenic (anti-stress)

ashwahanda: Slightly calming so yes it is good to add to things that might be too stimulating in order to tone down possible over-reactions; boosts libido and sexual function; adaptogen

betel nut: Yuck. The "high" is pretty gross and dirty feeling, the taste is pretty strange, and yes just like the spice-eaters in "dune" your lips and mouth area get stained a terrible garish red. Caffeine, ephedrine, synephrine (bitter orange extract) are far superior legal stims imho

rhodiola: Yes! Boosts dopamine levels (anti-depressant); increases oxygen-carrying capacity of the blood (used by mountain climbers and high-altitude siberian natives for centuries); tonic for the heart muscle... Reduces damage from high heart rate and/or low oxygen levels; good for altertness and attitude; was considered a very special overall health-promoting herb as far back as ancient greeks... Now its properties have been fully validated by science
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Thank you! =D
 
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