ADD/ADHD and Drug Abuse

damn , ty for the response CH. Ok - here's the deal , I can cut him off whenever, let's just say I babysit it for him - right now I wont give him more than 60mg at once , this dude legit scares me I had never seen anyone dose so much dexies in my life. Amps are not my thing so I was pretty naive to his dose - regardless he's fucking luney tunes by the night of a 3 day sleepless span he's shootin salad saying the most random gibberish i've ever heard in my life. Told me the other day that thanksgiving wasn't a legal problem anymore, i was lke good to know ty.. If he doses 60 x 4 , what should i cut him too, 40 x 5 , 40x 4 .. i really dunno how to do it i would fucking die if i took 40mg of dexies prolly lol.
 
damn , ty for the response CH. Ok - here's the deal , I can cut him off whenever, let's just say I babysit it for him - right now I wont give him more than 60mg at once , this dude legit scares me I had never seen anyone dose so much dexies in my life. Amps are not my thing so I was pretty naive to his dose - regardless he's fucking luney tunes by the night of a 3 day sleepless span he's shootin salad saying the most random gibberish i've ever heard in my life. Told me the other day that thanksgiving wasn't a legal problem anymore, i was lke good to know ty.. If he doses 60 x 4 , what should i cut him too, 40 x 5 , 40x 4 .. i really dunno how to do it i would fucking die if i took 40mg of dexies prolly lol.

If he takes 60mg at a time, give him 30mg or 40mg in one dosage, and then wait like 4 to 8 hours before even considering giving him more. Let him learn some patience and self restraint.

If there is a reason why he is going through massive doses he needs to have some blood work/panels run to check enzyme levels, etc.

Otherwise, he is just building a serious habit. 8o

I start having a hard time when I take up to 60mg in six 10mg dosages over the course of 48 hours with eating but maybe not sleeping.... maybe napping or even getting a decent 6 to 7 hour window of sleep sometimes. I can't imagine taking 60mg at once!
 
He's been daily user for 4+ years of amps. Started w IR 30mg addies, then moved to the dexies, when he was using addies i've seen him consume 300-360mg at ONCE. Anyway, 4 years of daily use and never once a break more than when he crashes and sleeps. He's a bigger dude, i lift w him and he's got a few inches on me bro. But regardless, his tolerance is out of this world.

Patience is def NOT his strong suit. Like i said - i dose it out for him and 2 hours before next dose he'll text me "hey man wanna chill" lol, good one. It gets worse and worse, I feel bad man, I really hope he takes this chance to get well. Can't make anyone do it though. He's said he wants to when he's not completely spun. We will see.
 
He's been daily user for 4+ years of amps. Started w IR 30mg addies, then moved to the dexies, when he was using addies i've seen him consume 300-360mg at ONCE. Anyway, 4 years of daily use and never once a break more than when he crashes and sleeps. He's a bigger dude, i lift w him and he's got a few inches on me bro. But regardless, his tolerance is out of this world.

Patience is def NOT his strong suit. Like i said - i dose it out for him and 2 hours before next dose he'll text me "hey man wanna chill" lol, good one. It gets worse and worse, I feel bad man, I really hope he takes this chance to get well. Can't make anyone do it though. He's said he wants to when he's not completely spun. We will see.

Interesting; knowing a little bit about his background helps.

It seems he has quite the physical/psychological dependency on this drug. Has he been diagnosed with ADHD?

My primary concern is that people like him are going to have a hard time quitting unless they consider therapy (something tailored best to assist in overcoming drug use compulsions, like cognitive behavioral therapy for instance), and also that if he tapers off of this kind of dosage, he will likely experience a long bout of depression. It may not last for a long time, but it will certainly be intense if not long lasting.

Has he had any other drug dependencies in the past? Sometimes a person may just have a serious problem with one drug, sometimes it's almost every abusable drug under the sun.

Nonetheless I'm hoping that you can help him out in a feasible way. :)
 
I dunno where the dude is tbh - since i went to NY he's been awol bro LOL.... :( who knows... ty for your thoughts on the matter maser yoda. Now be safe on the wet roads .. ;)
 
I dunno where the dude is tbh - since i went to NY he's been awol bro LOL.... :( who knows... ty for your thoughts on the matter maser yoda. Now be safe on the wet roads .. ;)

Will do!

I'm hoping that he finds a way to overcome his dependency. I go through a lot of anguish trying to take my daily prescribed dosage most of the time, and I can't imagine what crashing off of ten times my daily prescribed dosage would be like.

You're a great friend to try to help someone out who is that far into it man. You are an incredibly kind and understanding person to seek out help for your friend - tapering off of drugs can vary depending on what drug, how long they were on it, and previous drug histories, so the fact that you go out of your way to help him is fantastic. :)

You would make a great parent for all of those reasons and more. So many parents cannot conceive being able to help their children or their spouse with drug addiction issues, and yet you do it for a friend without thinking twice.
 
CH - "You had me at bathroom"

Parent? Bro I've planted crops hank god no, can you imagine a bunh=ch of hell millions like me ??? Regardless, he has to come back to me or he's robbing somone elses RX cuz he doesnt have money - sooner or later monkey wan banana, he'll be back and the taper will continue.
 
I'm so happy you posted this, I always used to self medicate with stimulants...crystal. I stopped once I got medication for my ADD, and I'm happy being sober. :)
 
I'm so happy you posted this, I always used to self medicate with stimulants...crystal. I stopped once I got medication for my ADD, and I'm happy being sober. :)

That's great! :)

It seems there are a lot of people in a similar situation, whether or not they are still abusing drugs, or even on medication, or even diagnosed with ADD/ADHD, or even believe they may have it or not, may be different, but there are just lots of people in this sort of situation so I felt it necessary to create this thread.
 
just read thru this thread......great read

somehow i must not have noticed it prior.......

i take a lot of interest in this, and will update asap.
 
There's no question in my mind that untreated ADHD leads to drug abuse in a lot of cases. The impact that it has on your life when you didn't catch it early enough can be huge and can leave scars mentally. It's not just the meds that are important it's learning coping skills that so called normal people seem to have and ADD people don't. Like me for instance, I've never been able to plan or delay gratification, life has always been now now NOW! I've recently realized the impact this kind of thinking has had on my life over the long term, I can easily see why I turned to drugs with such maniacal devotion at the age of fifteen.

I have no regrets about it but it is something that people need to be more aware of. Treatment can help a ton yet will not solve all the problems, and we're all humans anyway and prone to making mistakes. But when you're an ADD human your are often outcasted in subtle ways due to your "inability" to get your shit together. I mean now that I take Ritalin as prescribed everyday I feel like I can wake up everyday and have a direction, plans, goals and I can follow through on them. I can see a future where I couldn't before. I no longer need to risk my life trying to find stimulation just so I can feel alive. It's not just the Ritalin, I've learned a ton about the disorder over the past year or so.

I remember when the Ritalin first really started to work after taking it daily at the same dose for a week or so, I remember thinking to myself "this is the feeling I used to get after smoking weed and drinking five cups of coffee but without the jitteriness or paranoia!" I know that I smoked pot as a way of self medicating ADD but oddly enough I prefer my Ritalin to pot now. Clarity of mind is so very valuable to me now after years of being always messed up on something.

I did have a good time experimenting along the way though, there's no real point in dwelling on what could have been if it had been caught earlier. I'm just saying people should be aware of ADHD and realize that it is very real and has very real consequences in peoples lives. Good thread, most of my friends who do drugs excessively have been diagnosed with ADD or probably should be since too many of them truly think they are just too dysfunctional to contribute to society in a meaningful way.

Undiagnosed/treated ADD can be very devastating, especially since it only gets worse as you grow older, the added responsibilities that you have to deal with as an adult, stress, people's ignorance of the disorder only makes the undiagnosed adult even worse off than they were.

There is also a good side to ADD, ADD people can be exceptionally creative and intelligent people that are very intuitive and innovative. The more people can harness the good sides of ADD the better. Society needs ADD people, most of the music and art and literature we all love was created by people who lived their own way, being able to follow your inner rhythms while tuning out the "accepted" way of living is actually considered an ADD trait. Many of the great inventors and innovators probably had/have ADD, but if you can find your niche' you can really make it work for you without ever setting foot in a psychiatrist's office.

Sorry if this is too long, it just really hit home with me and my life experiences. My ADD diagnosis changed my life completely and I'm currently cleaning up some of the wreckage from my wreckless past.
 
There's no question in my mind that untreated ADHD leads to drug abuse in a lot of cases. The impact that it has on your life when you didn't catch it early enough can be huge and can leave scars mentally. It's not just the meds that are important it's learning coping skills that so called normal people seem to have and ADD people don't. Like me for instance, I've never been able to plan or delay gratification, life has always been now now NOW! I've recently realized the impact this kind of thinking has had on my life over the long term, I can easily see why I turned to drugs with such maniacal devotion at the age of fifteen.

I have no regrets about it but it is something that people need to be more aware of. Treatment can help a ton yet will not solve all the problems, and we're all humans anyway and prone to making mistakes. But when you're an ADD human your are often outcasted in subtle ways due to your "inability" to get your shit together. I mean now that I take Ritalin as prescribed everyday I feel like I can wake up everyday and have a direction, plans, goals and I can follow through on them. I can see a future where I couldn't before. I no longer need to risk my life trying to find stimulation just so I can feel alive. It's not just the Ritalin, I've learned a ton about the disorder over the past year or so.

I remember when the Ritalin first really started to work after taking it daily at the same dose for a week or so, I remember thinking to myself "this is the feeling I used to get after smoking weed and drinking five cups of coffee but without the jitteriness or paranoia!" I know that I smoked pot as a way of self medicating ADD but oddly enough I prefer my Ritalin to pot now. Clarity of mind is so very valuable to me now after years of being always messed up on something.

I did have a good time experimenting along the way though, there's no real point in dwelling on what could have been if it had been caught earlier. I'm just saying people should be aware of ADHD and realize that it is very real and has very real consequences in peoples lives. Good thread, most of my friends who do drugs excessively have been diagnosed with ADD or probably should be since too many of them truly think they are just too dysfunctional to contribute to society in a meaningful way.

Undiagnosed/treated ADD can be very devastating, especially since it only gets worse as you grow older, the added responsibilities that you have to deal with as an adult, stress, people's ignorance of the disorder only makes the undiagnosed adult even worse off than they were.

There is also a good side to ADD, ADD people can be exceptionally creative and intelligent people that are very intuitive and innovative. The more people can harness the good sides of ADD the better. Society needs ADD people, most of the music and art and literature we all love was created by people who lived their own way, being able to follow your inner rhythms while tuning out the "accepted" way of living is actually considered an ADD trait. Many of the great inventors and innovators probably had/have ADD, but if you can find your niche' you can really make it work for you without ever setting foot in a psychiatrist's office.

Sorry if this is too long, it just really hit home with me and my life experiences. My ADD diagnosis changed my life completely and I'm currently cleaning up some of the wreckage from my wreckless past.

It's not too long at all! A lot of us are where you are at so don't worry about it - this was a great and very helpful post. :)
 
How the fuck... why didn't this come up last night when I searched for it?! This has everything I need to know!

Since quitting daily use of suboxone, the last month has been very clarifying for me as the mental cloudiness wears off and I find myself being able to face the problems I tried to mute by self-medicating. I thought back to the reason I started taking opiates - and why I eventually began to abuse them and it was simple: I was able to focus and get work done more efficiently than without them. Tolerance was built and soon I was addicted, easily enough. After some research, I've found that the possibility that I have Adult ADD is very high.

My entire life, I haven't been able to complete a project whether it be an elaborate drawing, in home renovation or life goal. I've been in college well past the amount of time it should have taken me to complete my degree (literally twice as long), and now that I've quit suboxone, my performance is even worse to end this semester. The level of frustration is incredible as I realize I'm years behind where I should be.

Now that I'm off opiates, the symptoms I self-medicated for have returned. Agitation, lack of motivation, sensitivity and zero focus. Naturally, the cravings to return to opiates are compounded now that I've just quit, in addition to knowing they will help me focus. I understand the effects of PAWS after quitting suboxone may have a lot to do with the irritability and lack of motivation - but remember, these are things I experienced before I ended up self medicating to help.

I too have just realized the possibility and am set to call the Dr. in the morning for an immediate appointment. I really can't wait to see how this treatment may help my performance. I really need to kick this life into gear already.
 
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How the fuck... why didn't this come up last night when I searched for it?! This has everything I need to know!

Since quitting daily use of suboxone, the last month has been very clarifying for me as the mental cloudiness wears off and I find myself being able to face the problems I tried to mute by self-medicating. I thought back to the reason I started taking opiates - and why I eventually began to abuse them and it was simple: I was able to focus and get work done more efficiently than without them. Tolerance was built and soon I was addicted, easily enough. After some research, I've found that the possibility that I have Adult ADD is very high.

My entire life, I haven't been able to complete a project whether it be an elaborate drawing, in home renovation or life goal. I've been in college well past the amount of time it should have taken me to complete my degree (literally twice as long), and now that I've quit suboxone, my performance is even worse to end this semester. The level of frustration is incredible as I realize I'm years behind where I should be.

Now that I'm off opiates, the symptoms I self-medicated for have returned. Agitation, lack of motivation, sensitivity and zero focus. Naturally, the cravings to return to opiates are compounded now that I've just quit, in addition to knowing they will help me focus. I understand the effects of PAWS after quitting suboxone may have a lot to do with the irritability and lack of motivation - but remember, these are things I experienced before I ended up self medicating to help.

I too have just realized the possibility and am set to call the Dr. in the morning for an immediate appointment. I really can't wait to see how this treatment may help my performance. I really need to kick this life into gear already.

This sounds exactly like how I feel at times; I am glad that you discovered this thread. :)

I put it under ADD/ADHD so that both should yield this as a result in the search engine. I hope that getting help works for you - best of luck! If you get on medication, please be sure to eat plenty, work out often, sleep enough, etc. - these things will help out immensely.
 
This sounds exactly like how I feel at times; I am glad that you discovered this thread. :)

I put it under ADD/ADHD so that both should yield this as a result in the search engine. I hope that getting help works for you - best of luck! If you get on medication, please be sure to eat plenty, work out often, sleep enough, etc. - these things will help out immensely.

Never in my wildest dreams would I have thought to have had ADD (which has yet to be proven) but spending 6 years on a drug that "cured" my symptoms, and I really don't know what to think about myself. To know that a treatment could help my tendency to self medicate as well as the reason why I started to begin with?

Needless to say, I hope this works out for the best as well.
 
What would you need to believe that there is proof? I can believe it. I have seen it spread through my family (i.e. from parent to child).

However, everyone diagnosed as ADD/ADHD might not actually be ADD/ADHD; there are mis-diagnoses very frequently in psychology/psychiatry.
 
What would you need to believe that there is proof? I can believe it. I have seen it spread through my family (i.e. from parent to child).

However, everyone diagnosed as ADD/ADHD might not actually be ADD/ADHD; there are mis-diagnoses very frequently in psychology/psychiatry.

I tests (basic basic ones) are like 100 questions "Do you have trouble sitting still" (lol) - well the first one that really should be of note is just that "do you know of any family member who has ADD/ADHD" - I'm in a mess with my docs, i have ADD don't care to abuse the drugs , same with my anxiety , but my doc has called it quits on all meds since my last lil dip to detox. Congrats my copay on the street isn't that bad clown .....

btw CH - dude I was asking help for w/his addiction - he's about 30 minutes on south side of boston from me and is living with some random dude :| ... nice n sketchy huh, what can you do man. I hope the best for him but he loves to go up uP UP and away.
 
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