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Looks like we're entering the Brave New World

The only point you might be making is that yes dissociatives provide an escape from every day life like "Soma", and methoxetamine has multiple sides to it like the so-called opiate-warmth (even though I am skeptical about MOR activity and didnt think it was *that* warm), the DARI stimulation and of course the dissociation / psychedelic-like action.

So maybe there are some similarities or things that remind you of the description but it is fiction so whats the point? This thread is dead in the water, if anything it could go to Drug Culture or something.
 
"psychological dependence... like cannabis.

you guys must not know that he wrote the book in 1930 when there was absolutely no thought of having a drug like this

also the people that made mxe did it so that it would be like ketamine except that its more potent per mg and the effects last longer. "

there was for sure opiates back then and mescaline at least (hence brave new world) so Aldous knew of those....and did not call them SOMA....

I think the OP could be on to something here.....Aldous also comes from Britain or the UK as so started MXE....weird.....scary even.....combine this with the notion that in the year 2012 there's supposed to be major paradigm shifts(some say armageddon) .
 
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samm2 said:
I think the OP could be on to something here.....Aldous also comes from Britain or the UK as so started MXE....weird.....scary even.....combine this with the notion that in the year 2012 there's supposed to be major paradigm shifts(some say armageddon) .
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yup major paradigm shifts, im very interested actually in what is to come


back on topic:
i got the feeling that something is "up" with this drug

it was honestly too good to be true....
but i do think im just trippin lol mxe is like a god-send...

just have to respect it as you should with all drugs (especially RCs)
i learned the hard way after binging on this stuff... this shit can get to your head lmao be careful
 
hahaha after binging for 4 weeks. i find mxe to become very dysphoric. definitely not soma.

i knew this drug was way too good to be true hahahha.
 
at first though. definitely seemed like a plausible candidate ahahahhaha

pure euphoria with no adverse effects. it was amazing lmao.

i hope i havent ruined this drug for myself. ill take a long while off and return to it, hoping it can still bring me the wonders i once experienced after a tolerance break. ive learned that ill have to space out my usage to about maximum once per week. im thinking once a month on average.
 
i know they mentioned soma in the book but i thought i remember a name of another drug that sounded like mescaline but it was called something else
 
MXE has dissociative and stimulant effects and definitely more opioid action than ketamine, but I wouldn't call it psychedelic in any way. It does seem to potentiate psychedelics but it's very different.

Lefetamine seems a more likely story for a Soma lookalike.
 
Methoxetamine combined with Ketamine is the best drug combination I have tried yet to date. It was incredible, the warmth of the mxe was there along with the more intense dissociation of ket and it was amazing. It definitely had a visual psychedelic aspect to it there was intense trailing for hours after the ket administration, it made the ketamine feel like it lasted for 3 or 4 hours instead of just 1 or 2.
I don't ever wanna do either mxe or ket by itself again because without the other it will just feel like it's missing something
 
Most of these replies are fairly missing the boat of the topic.

I've read Brave New World only three times, which imo is not enough. The point of 'Soma' which in the early 20th century, before the advent of so many chemical discoveries and the eminent Shulgin himself, was to illustrate the concept that governments would use something to keep people happy and content to be fitting into the machine of Government.

He nailed it for discussion purposes, but many people have tried guessing at the reality of such a chemical.
the movie equilibrium had some sort of prozac analogue as the daily dosing regimen for perfect society (one of christian bale's good performances btw).

as far as I'm concerned MXE only lacks one thing to fit A. Huxleys vision--a sedating element.
In fact i had a bump before deciding to write this and am very awake...alas, I digress down my own tangents...
MXE nails every other element: mild opiate receptor activity, antidepressant properties, socialbility. It really is one of those 'mold dose to desired experience' compounds as intimated by Huxley.

I highly respect the man and his bringing the intellectual side of things to merge with psychedelics via his well documented mescaline experiences in Heaven and Hell/Doors of Perception.

If you don't think MXE comes Damn close to his vision, you may need to re-read/interpret the book or perhaps your doing it wrong/ your neurochemistry is highly different.
 
MXE is no super drug. It makes you feel tipsy in low doses, or completely dissociated, restless and infinitesimal in high doses.

My cents.
 
Fixed5217 said:
Most of these replies are fairly missing the boat of the topic.

I've read Brave New World only three times, which imo is not enough. The point of 'Soma' which in the early 20th century, before the advent of so many chemical discoveries and the eminent Shulgin himself, was to illustrate the concept that governments would use something to keep people happy and content to be fitting into the machine of Government.

He nailed it for discussion purposes, but many people have tried guessing at the reality of such a chemical.
the movie equilibrium had some sort of prozac analogue as the daily dosing regimen for perfect society (one of christian bale's good performances btw).

as far as I'm concerned MXE only lacks one thing to fit A. Huxleys vision--a sedating element.
In fact i had a bump before deciding to write this and am very awake...alas, I digress down my own tangents...
MXE nails every other element: mild opiate receptor activity, antidepressant properties, socialbility. It really is one of those 'mold dose to desired experience' compounds as intimated by Huxley.

I highly respect the man and his bringing the intellectual side of things to merge with psychedelics via his well documented mescaline experiences in Heaven and Hell/Doors of Perception.

If you don't think MXE comes Damn close to his vision, you may need to re-read/interpret the book or perhaps your doing it wrong/ your neurochemistry is highly different.
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thank you for not making me feel like such an idiot lmao.
yes the only thing missing is the sedating aspect, you are correct. although when you reach the hole with this stuff you do feel tired-ish.. even though you're not going to be sleeping haha
 
the drug has existed for decades, the intoxicant of the masses, a diversion from reality, a false world of stable controlled emotions

it is called television.
 
Lol tv is a form of entertainment/hobby. No drug in tv. I don't invest personal time in tv unless something interesting and or educational is on.. If people have time to waste on tv then they are simply wasting their life. People could spend time educating themselves rather than piss time away on a couch eating potato chips staring at a colour-tube like a zombie.

on this note i get no euphoria from watching television. in fact it sometimes even makes me angry... i mean often times *
 
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webbykevin said:
the drug has existed for decades, the intoxicant of the masses, a diversion from reality, a false world of stable controlled emotions

it is called television.
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True.

I read an interesting book called Amusing Ourselves to Death: Public Discourse in the Age of Show Business by Neil Postman. In the preface, Postman points out that 1984 came and went, and Orwell's vision never materialized, but something more insidious is occurring, which Huxley saw coming a long time ago. While Orwell warned that we will be overcome by an externally imposed oppression, Huxley realized that no Big Brother would be necessary. According to Postman, Huxley predicted that "people will come to love their oppression, to adore the technologies that undo their capacities to think."

Orwell feared that books would be banned; Huxley feared that there would be no need because nobody would want to read books anyway. Orwell feared that the truth would be concealed from us; Huxley that the populace would drown themselves in a sea of triviality and irrelevance.
 
Dondante said:
True.

I read an interesting book called Amusing Ourselves to Death: Public Discourse in the Age of Show Business by Neil Postman. In the preface, Postman points out that 1984 came and went, and Orwell's vision never materialized, but something more insidious is occurring, which Huxley saw coming a long time ago. While Orwell warned that we will be overcome by an externally imposed oppression, Huxley realized that no Big Brother would be necessary. According to Postman, Huxley predicted that "people will come to love their oppression, to adore the technologies that undo their capacities to think."

Orwell feared that books would be banned; Huxley feared that there would be no need because nobody would want to read books anyway. Orwell feared that the truth would be concealed from us; Huxley that the populace would drown themselves in a sea of triviality and irrelevance.
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I agree with purpose though I don't think that's what huxley had in mind--do remember that he would have been well exposed to the radio and the earliest incarnations of television at the time he wrote A Brave New World.

Not to mention, Governments have used distracting entertainment for almost two documented millennium now. Remember Rome's 'bread and circuses'??

In addition, If you read the book, Huxley included a more sinister form of distraction than tv. he envisioned a distraction which would cover every one of the bodies' senses--he called them the 'feelies,' the populations would reach emotional and physical catharsis without ever feeling the need to act outside of their truly mundane lives. Quite brilliant if you ask me.

while the ideas are on the same line of thought, to reckon with you notion of tv as the current soma, the answer is quite simply 'No.'
 
Mjäll said:
MXE is no super drug. It makes you feel tipsy in low doses, or completely dissociated, restless and infinitesimal in high doses.

My cents.
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MXe isn't a 'super drug,' neither was Huxley's soma.
The point is that we're looking for the subjective match as he described--do you have suggestions?
 
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