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sam_bellevue

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I have been reading the threads on supplements and their pre/post loading effects. The supplements I have access to are:
Beta Carotene
Vitamin B complex
Ester-C
Vitamin E
5HTP
L-Phenylaline
Acetylcysteine
Melatonin
Tryptophan
Alpha Lipolic Acid
L-Cysteine
L-Arginine
L-Theanine
L-Tyrosine
Coenzyme Q10
Magnesium
Selenium
Riboflavin
Zinc
Gluatmine
Bioflavinoids
Piracetam
Choline
Deprynl
Taurine
Acetyl-L-Carnitine Arginate
Insotil
Quercetin
Green Tea Excract
Grapeseed Extract


Preloading questions:
What should be taken before?
How much should be taken before
How early should they be taken before loading?

Postloading questions:
What should be taken after loading?
How much should be taken after loading?
How early should they be taken after loading?
How often should they be taken after loading?
 
Deprynl is apparently one of the best pre load supplements, definately do some research on how to take it properly with MDMA cuz im not exactly sure. Other than that I'd just pre load abit of piracetam and choline, and post load with maybe 200mg of 5htp, some green tea extract, Acetyl-L-Carnitine Arginate, some alpha lipoic acid, melatonin and vitamin e, and quercetin and vit c if u have. oh and u can pre load with magnesium it apparently stops gurning but i've never tried it.
 
sam_bellevue said:
Ester-C (Vitamin C in tablets of ascorbic acid, and orange juice)
Alpha Lipolic Acid
Magnesium (oxide...see note below)
Piracetam
Choline (alpha-GPC)
Green Tea Excract (green tea leaves)
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The quoted is what I have pre- and post-loaded with in the past (in parentheses are the variations I actually took).

One note, the magnesium oxide did NOT help with my jaw clenching, as it's supposed to. Go with the wisdom of these forums and get yourself some magnesium chelate or citrate if you can.

To pre-load, take everything except for the Piracetam any time before you roll. I usually take everything with lunch. Here's the amounts I preload with:

1g vitamin C tabs
A huge glass of OJ (contains about 120mg vitamin C)
300mg Alpha-GPC
Two eggs (for choline, no idea how much they contain)
A mug or two of green tea, or a teaspoon of crushed leaves in a smoothie)
300mg ALA (Alpha-Lipoic Acid)

Since I take Piracetam as a daily supplement, I have some in the morning, but just to pre-load, take your Piracetam right before you take your first pill. The amount you'll need depends on you, but I take 1800mg.

I hear 5-HTP is good to take as part of your postload, and you can preload with it by taking some a week before you roll. Serotonin production is a slow process, so I can see how this would be beneficial.

I don't wish to correct the above poster, but I would strongly advise against taking ALCAR (Acetyl-L-Carnitine Arginate) before or after you roll, because it increases neurotoxicity (which is perfectly manageable any other day with ALA).

My post-load is the same as above, except I triple the vitamin C and green tea.
 
I would also recommend taking about 1-2g of Piracetam daily for a few days before you roll. If you have legit MDMA it will make the roll more fun. You'll feel much more lucid and it'll add an innocent edge to the roll.
 
Thanks for the advice, but I just have a few more questions?

How soon should I pre-load before rolling?
How soon should I post-load after rolling?
How many times should I repeat post-loading after rolling?
 
you should note that pre-loading 1000mg vitamin c(same with other similar vitamins) degrades your rolls Euphoria and duration.
 
Stay away from Deprenyl. It could kill you if you mix it with a stimulant like MDMA, and there's no reason to think that a sane dose of MDMA will cause neurotoxicity anyway. It's a potentially dangerous 'solution' to a problem that doesn't seem to exist in the first place (neurotoxicity from a normal recreational dose.)


As far as the 'best' pre-load, the best anybody can give is an educated guess. In that spirit, I would suggest simplicity and quantity: 4 tablets/capsules of vitamin C and vitamin E about an hour before dropping.

A bit more of the same when you get home can't hurt. A little 5-HTP can help take the edge off in the days following use if you find yourself feeling irritable.
 
TheDEA.org said:
Stay away from Deprenyl. It could kill you if you mix it with a stimulant like MDMA, and there's no reason to think that a sane dose of MDMA will cause neurotoxicity anyway. It's a potentially dangerous 'solution' to a problem that doesn't seem to exist in the first place (neurotoxicity from a normal recreational dose.)
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And what do you call a sane dose? Really just curious, I tend to dose about 130-220mg, in one dose and only dose once in the night. With tiny to no tolerance.
my pre/post loading future plans are to take my 4-500mg magnesium 20 minutes before I chew up my pills, then after the peak is dieing take vit. c and e, maby with a little more magnesium, then some 5-htp 6ish hours after dosing, and once again each day for 3ish days after.
again, I feel pre-loading C and E kills your roll a fair amount!
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So from the replies given I should pre-load somewhere between an hour and 20 minutes before rolling. A little confusion though on which ones I should or shouldn't take, since some supplements were advised both for and against (Vitamin C/E/etc., deprenyl, etc.)

How soon after rolling should I post-load? Immediately? 20 minutes? An hour? Just after peaking (suggestions of when that would be)? How many days after? How many days?

and how often should I again post-load after the first time? An hour? A few hours? How many times each day after rolling?
 
Dude, just try out the vitamins yourself and see what you think. I find pre-loading C and E kills some effects, I dose my vitamins a bit after I'm sure my peak is dieing, and will be dosing my 5-htp maby 1.5 hours after that(it takes away to get absorbed I think), and again each morning for 3 days. The only thing I pre-load is magnesium, and I will try some of the things that have made opiates better soon.
 
And what do you call a sane dose?
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A single dose that's not more than you need to get the high you want. :)

If you aren't heavily re-dosing (taking pill after pill after pill all night long) and you don't take a ridiculous single dosage (as has happened with people trying to dispose of a stash before the police find it) I don't think neurotoxicity is a credible risk.



How soon after rolling should I post-load? Immediately? 20 minutes? An hour?
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For antioxidants, the sooner the better, but I wouldn't really worry about it. Post-loading may be a good thing, but it's not an essential thing.
 
Piracetam before

5-htp after

Everything else in my own experience is minimally consequential to your experience.
 
No Consequence said:
Piracetam before AND after works great.
It helps with any hangover side effects very nicely.
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I agree- sorry I didn't include piracetam in "after"- I find it highly beneficial.

Being in good physical condition and nourished likely helps you enjoy any chemical more. I am personally of the opinion that good sleeping, exercise and eating habits are far more important than any supplement regimen in terms of your health. Vitamins and nutrients are far more available and absorbed in the form of food, and nothing can ever replace getting regular proper sleep and moderate to intense exercise.
 
thank you "no consequence" and "bsiren" it was getting a bit too technical up there.. now since you guys summed it all up.. taking the piracetam before I roll like to be exact 2 hrs before, should be appropriate and 5htp when I go back home and ready to wrap things up correct?
 
C8H10N4O2 said:
The quoted is what I have pre- and post-loaded with in the past (in parentheses are the variations I actually took).

One note, the magnesium oxide did NOT help with my jaw clenching, as it's supposed to. Go with the wisdom of these forums and get yourself some magnesium chelate or citrate if you can.

To pre-load, take everything except for the Piracetam any time before you roll. I usually take everything with lunch. Here's the amounts I preload with:

1g vitamin C tabs
A huge glass of OJ (contains about 120mg vitamin C)
300mg Alpha-GPC
Two eggs (for choline, no idea how much they contain)
A mug or two of green tea, or a teaspoon of crushed leaves in a smoothie)
300mg ALA (Alpha-Lipoic Acid)

Since I take Piracetam as a daily supplement, I have some in the morning, but just to pre-load, take your Piracetam right before you take your first pill. The amount you'll need depends on you, but I take 1800mg.

I hear 5-HTP is good to take as part of your postload, and you can preload with it by taking some a week before you roll. Serotonin production is a slow process, so I can see how this would be beneficial.

I don't wish to correct the above poster, but I would strongly advise against taking ALCAR (Acetyl-L-Carnitine Arginate) before or after you roll, because it increases neurotoxicity (which is perfectly manageable any other day with ALA).
My post-load is the same as above, except I triple the vitamin C and green tea.
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lol? sorry but do ur research kid. Acetyl l- carnitine arginate is even recommended on the harm reduction supplement list.

13. Acetyl-L-Carnitine Arginate
Description: NGF agent (nerve growth factor) stimulates the growth of neurites in the brain. it MAY reverse neurotoxicity and protect the brain from peroxynitrites (very potent neurotoxin that causes harsh oxidative stress)

Dosage: 2000mg a day of Ordinary Acetyl-l-Carnitine, or 800mg of Arginate form. its a good idea to have a combination of both as they work together

Note: Arginate is fairly expensive but it is a lot more potent and beneficial, otherwise you can just get the normal Acetyl-L-Carnitine
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http://www.bluelight.ru/vb/showthread.php?s=&threadid=407429
 
Nutrient Preventive Dose Therapeutic Dose Form
b-Carotene 5 mg 15 mg Consider supplements of other carotenoids (e.g., lycopene) as they become available
Bioflavonoids 2 grams 6 grams Mixed bioflavonoids from a variety of sources
Coenzyme Q10 100 mg 300 mg Only one form available
L-Ascorbic acid 2-4 grams 6-12 grams Free acid or calcium, magnesium salt
L-Carnitine 1 gram 3 grams L-carnitine HCl or, if possible, less hygroscopic salts (e.g., L-carnitine magnesium citrate)
N-Acetylcysteine (NAC) 2 grams 6 grams Only one form available; do not use L- cysteine
Selenium 250 mcg 500 mcg Form not critical -- inorganic (e.g., selenite) as effective, and less expensive, than organic forms (e.g., selenomethionine)
Vitamin E 1,000 IU 3,000 IU Available data indicate that form is not critical
 
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