Are the sourcing rules on here a bit "overkill"?

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Bojangles69

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Really I can't get over how utterly sensless/stupid they are.

If you can buy something in a store legally, or online, thats NOT SOURCING. Who cares what the person is doing with it? Thats their problem, not BL. If I read on a forum that Foodtown sells salt, and go to buy 10lbs so I can snort it and kill myself, that forum is not guilty of a single thing. Its the moron who had a death wish who's at fault.

Also, why are the sourcing rules so discriminately applied on here? No sourcing to me means no mention of online pharmacies or where to buy things illegally. Like heroin and what street/what person/phone number etc. Or go to XXX site cause they sell free oxies w/out a prescription. THAT is "sourcing".

So get this BL. I told someone where to buy a seasoning product legally (as its 100% legal to buy/sell) that they could get high off of, and got an infraction, great. I'm not angry, I'm confused as to why I can not see the logic that you moderators seem to see that makes you think its neccessary to enforce such ridiculous rules.

So how about this.
I tell someone that they can buy loperamide at their local supermarket. Maybe I mention a name like "A&P" or "Foodtown", or "Walmart".. which I've done 1000 times on here. Never once recieved an infraction (which gives me some faith in BL) for it.

But of course you don't consider that sourcing? Why? Because less people are trying to actually get high on loperamide? But then buying a legal seasoning product at a legal store (online or on the streets) does become sourcing?

WHERE IS THE LOGIC? Can someone please explain this to me ?

Rewrite the rules or something please, its just extremely petty. If you actually think some lawyer is going to try to sue you because their client got brain damage from snorting immodium, or eating too much of a seasoning product, thats not happening. The manufacture of that product may be liable, but sure as hell not the person who said "you can buy it at x place".

I truely do not understand these rules at all or why they even exist. You know why?
Because we will tell someone on here "aiming for X amount of crack to get blitzd out of your mind might work" but "you can buy a legal seasoning producted named X at X store"??? Ohhhh nooooo bluelight won't be having any of that lol. Can you not see how hypocritical that is?

Who's the admin on here or can actually explain why this type of rule exists? (because I doubt any mod actually knows why)

If I'm wrong I'm wrong, but I've ran it through my head a million times, and it keeps coming out the same way everytime.... senseless petty bullshit.

I LOVE YOU BLUELIGHT. AWESOME FORUM. But a part of you needs to get a grip. :p
 
Gee, you'd think after two years on here you'd know who the admins are. 8)

Scroll allllll the way down the page. See the little "contact us" link in blue next to the Bluelight User Agreement (which might answer some questions!)? Click on that and you'll be able to get in touch with the admin if you scroll allllll the way down that page. :P
 
Well I don't get in trouble enough to know who the admin is lol. Nor do I ever really have any issues with BL besides this.

If I pm admin, and he's open minded to it, should be leave this thread up just to get feedback from other members? I mean do YOU as moderator think the rule makes sense? Or maybe thats a trap if you answer that I'm not trying to exploit anyone or cause issues. Just talk about it like calm adults and rational reasoning abilities.

I'll go pm admin now, we'll see what he says I guess. Thanks!
 
kaywholed said:
no it keeps tards from ruining this place.
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Could you explain that a bit better?

That seems like some fabricated fear tactic used to explain something that really wouldn't pan out that way in real life.

So people are going to ruin this forum by telling other people where to purchase legal products to get high off of? How? Even if 15 people die from it what is BL worried about?

Its still legal is the whole point I'm making. And I don't see how it would ever bite BL in the ass. I understand the saying "better safe than sorry" I'm just not sure it applies here.
 
addictivepersona said:
I like the "no sourcing" rules as they stand. As kaywholed put it, it keeps the idiots from ruining this place.
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Hmm well thats 2 that said it so now my minds opening up a bit about it.

I really need to think this one out maybe my brains just no working right today. It seems more like politics than anything, and I understand all forums have their politics/reputations they like to maintain. So in that regard I shouldn't really complain. I just see BL as the "hip" forum I guess, and didn't think they'd take to issues like this so seriously.
 
Ok I see, so you guys consider ANYTHING, and I mean ANYTHING that can modify/change your brain a "drug"?

If I told someone how to drink a lot of water so it gave them a rush, then said "you can buy a big bottle of poland springs at x supermarket", is water considered a drug in the condition? Enough of it can cause intoxification/death. I guess its more of a catered type of rule to events that have happened over the years that I haven't been here to see.

Even though I know something like poppy seeds can be used to get high, or the thousand other compounds out there, I consider a lot of that stuff regular home type supplies, not the evil type of drugs that ruin lives. It is starting to make more sense though, it seems to exist mainly for the "kids" it seems. And that I can definitely understand.
 
Bojangles69 said:
Ok I see, so you guys consider ANYTHING, and I mean ANYTHING that can modify/change your brain a "drug"?
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I do. Food is a drug, the most widely abused drug there is. But that is another story. :P

If I told someone how to drink a lot of water so it gave them a rush, then said "you can buy a big bottle of poland springs at x supermarket", is water considered a drug in the condition?
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I wouldn't consider it to be a drug in that sense but I would remove that post if it were in my forum since that is not part of BL's mission: Harm reduction.

Even though I know something like poppy seeds can be used to get high, or the thousand other compounds out there, I consider a lot of that stuff regular home type supplies, not the evil type of drugs that ruin lives. It is starting to make more sense though, it seems to exist mainly for the "kids" it seems. And that I can definitely understand.
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It is mainly for the children/idiots (whatever you wish to call them), but it also all comes back to BL's main reason for existence: Harm reduction.

And for the record, a perfectly legal drug that has been in use for thousands of years had a profound impact on my life and had I not stopped when I did, it probably would have caused some long-lasting issues.

Everything has its ups and its downs. If you don't like harm reduction / no sourcing, I politely encourage you to find another message board you will be happy at. :)
 
Haha I new that line would be coming soon. I'm definitely happy here.

I'm doing this to convince myself that I'm doing something useful and not being a petty bastard next time someone asks me "where can I buy kratom" and I say "I can't tell you because you may harm yourself".

This is one rule I can't stop breaking because of how quickly it slips out of my mind. So if I force myself to focus on it, and understand the dynamics that led to such rules, it might help me to consider them as important so next time I don't get an infraction for telling someone where to buy food. =]
 
People want to treat BL like any other drug forum, but its not. First and foremost, its a HARM REDUCTION forum and there isn't any harm reduction value in telling people where to get substances. There are LOTS AND LOTS of forums out there were you can source but that's just not what THIS forum is for. Its not at all that telling someone where to find drugs is going to harm them but that it has nothing to do with reducing harm. We're here to help people stay safe, not to help them find drugs.

You're right that loperamide has been treated a little inconsistently - usually its mentioned in the context of helping with withdrawal and not to get high off of and so a blind eye has been turned to discussing where it can be purchased in bulk. When it comes to anything specifically used recreationally, there is no inconsistency. There is no source/vendor discussion whatsoever and the line we draw is usually at if a product name/search term will pull up specific vendors, its not allowed.

If you said 'indonesian kratom' that's fine because lots of vendors sell that but if you listed a specific type that when googled directed people primarily or exclusively to a single vendor, that's not allowed.

The reason your text was edited and the infraction issued due to the site you listed, was that in the past we've had a lot of people who use that site to sell products come on here and direct people to there in the forum or via PM and would give them seller names or search terms similar to how you did. I know you aren't trying to do this, but it comes back to my first point - where is the harm reduction value in telling someone what site and search terms to use to find recreational drugs?

I'm going to move this to support.


homeless>>>support
 
We don't allow sourcing for ANY substance on Bluelight. Whether a substance happens to be legal where you are located (or not) doesn't matter--Bluelight is an international forum visited by individuals from many different countries, each with varying laws regarding the legality of substances and medications.

The only exceptions to this rule are clearly defined harm reduction supplies, such as micron filters, bacteriostatic water, syringes, etc.

As addictivepersona has already said above, Bluelight exists to promote harm reduction and to that end, we do not allow discussion of sources for any drugs. Its a pretty clear cut and easy rule to remember.
 
Sourcing is bad for many reasons, most listed above, but one that is seriously important is Spam. I love canned meat, but I hate penniless advertising where good information should be. Sourcing keeps discussions pure and (mostly) free from profitable intentions.

Do your homework like everyone else, and find it... And if you have found it why spread it around? Popularity = bad for the grey market.

Live with it brah. :\
 
Bojangles69 said:
So get this BL. I told someone where to buy a seasoning product legally (as its 100% legal to buy/sell) that they could get high off of, and got an infraction, great. I'm not angry, I'm confused as to why I can not see the logic that you moderators seem to see that makes you think its neccessary to enforce such ridiculous rules.
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the rules are not ridiculous just because you disagree with them...

bluelight users span the globe. it's simply not practical for bluelight to deal with every single sourcing request on a case by case basis, working out what jurisdiction the poster is in and deciding whether it's 'legal' or 'illegal' and, thence, whether it stays or goes.

the only practical approach to protect the site's core mission is a blanket ban on sourcing. i agree - occasionally the rule is going to appear ridiculous due to the innocuous nature of some product being discussed but the bluelight administrators are charged with protecting the long term interests of the site and if that causes you some minor annoyance or temporary inconvenience then i think it's worth it.

alasdair
 
The sourcing rule has a number of reasons. One is about being a hub of harm reduction and community instead of a hub of trafficking products. If our sourcing rule were only about clearly illegal substances BL discussion and community would get drown out by promoters of quasi-legal substances.

Regarding the ridiculousness of OTC products at the local drug store not being able to be sourced, why would it bother anyone? Its an extension of the rule that is not stopping any scintillating conversation or vital information. If finding a direct source of products available at a drug store becomes really important to harm reduction and really difficult for members to do on their own then some sort of adjustment will be required. Maybe at that point support will have to give lessons on how to use google or how to go to the drugstore.

Bluelight is not about finding substance sources or offering for substances for sale. If we say legal is OK we will be forever vetting vendors, defining legal, listening to complaints, and suffering product promotion.
 
To be honest the rules on sourcing at least as I understood them are basically so that no one gets in legal trouble for distribution of substances or paraphernalia, just cause it's a grey area does not mean it's legal everywhere and and even if it is or is in your area doesn't mean it is in all regions also as we've seen recently with the k2 ban it can shift quite quickly from one to the other. Also as I have read and seen discussed multiple times the law enforcement community does read our humble internet forum so, in that respect, I'm good with the better safe than sorry line of thinking. Bluelight is for harm reduction and the admins want it to stay that way as does the community here so that we can continue to help people as best we can, without all kinds of people asking where to get there drooooogs.
 
This place would become filled with shills if sourcing would be allowed and I dont want that happen. But getting into another subject, is mentioning a legit pharmacy price allowed?
 
^Prices are pretty much not allowed by several forum guidelines and general practice is to avoid price talk on the board as it tends to create sourcing talk. If it is an important part of your story or question I'd PM a mod in a forum you think you might post in and get their guidance. Price threads have been allowed even about less legal substances at times but have been discontinued several places because of lots of problems and not much gain for HR or good discussion.
 
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