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The return to the world of spirits

Cyanoide

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My history regarding drugs is long and complex, hence no short description would be accurate. I'm 30 years +-2 years living in Northern Europe. I started with drugs in the beginning of the 2000's and got into the world of underground electronic music, mainly psychedelic trance, and lived the whole "rave culture" 110%. I mostly used speed, meth, ecstacy (and pure MDMA), coke cannabis, and GHB. But I also got introduced to the world of psychedelics, using LSD, mushrooms and some RC's.

Due to my own naivety and young age, I thought it was just fun and nothing can go wrong. I used copious amounts of ecstacy, sometimes up to 8 pills a night. In retrospective such amounts sound horrible, but that was how it was back then. Reckless, but fun...Until. The mental problems started. First I couldn't use speed because I got severe panic attacks, then I couldn't use weed anymore for the same reason. The last drop was when I got a violent panic attack after a mushroom+cannabis combo with tremors and some kind of seizures, ending up in hospital. Then I decided, I have to quit.

But it was too late. I started getting panic attacks, obsessive thoughts in my mind (going crazy) and suffering from severe social phobia. For a year, I couldn't attend school and was on sick leave for over a year. I got medication, and until this day I have tried and used some 20+ different medicines (SSRI's, SNRI', NaSSAs, anti-psychotic neuroleptics, beta blockers etc) and attended psychotherapy for 3 years. The only thing that really helped was benzos.

So, I got addicted to them and still am. First it was alprazolam, then diazepam and now clonazepam. I am also using escitalopram, which has done wonders for me, and pregabalin (Lyrica), which I am tapering off now as it is unnecessary. I have tried to quit benzos several times, but I and my psychiatrist have come to the conclusion that I cannot live a normal life without them. The benefits outweigh the negative sides of being addicted to them.

At the moment I have a job, I got a masters degree from a University last year and doing pretty fine. For 6 years I did no drugs, not even alcohol. I cursed everything that had to with drugs, blaming all my problems on them. But I now see the reason was the reckless and unresponsible use of them, a total lack of information about how drugs and the body works that caused the problems. I didn't know what serotonine was back then. Now I now that the extreme and very frequent (every weekend for years) use of MDMA depleted my serotonine reserves, most probably causing irreversible nerve damage in my brain (although I have not noticed any decrease of my intellectual capacity).

What then brought me back to the world of psychoactives? Well, it was a coincidene. I was prescribed Lyrica for anxiety and noticed the side effects were very pleasant. Somehow I came to realise that my hatred for drugs was a trauma that suddenly was crushed. I was aware that, although still having some mental problems, I am extremely aware of what I want from drugs and what my mind can take. No more recklessness. I decided to get back to using drugs, with responsibility and a purpose for using them. I am convinced that occassional drug use can enhance my life quality and creative thinking.

The main purpose to "going back" was self-exploration. So it comes as a no surprise that psychedelics and dissociatives are on my top list. Also, being in a regular job, I needed something to free me from the materialistic, greedy, moneyfilled world and everyday things that involve in working in a company. It's all about money and profit. And, I do like money, but there are things money cannot give me. It is the sense of being one, at peace with myself, exploring depths, though patterns, visuals, smells and realizations not achievable in the "normal" world.

So here I am again. However, some drugs I have left and will not use again. Speed and cannabis are not my cup of tea, and although I am mostly for self-exploration, I admit I still would like to have some coke and GHB every now and then. MDMA wouldn't work with my medicine anyway, so it is not relevant right now. I like beer, but not getting drunk. I also use snus (the swedish variant), nicotine actually being the only substance I never left and have used it continuously for 15 years.

I also suffere from chronic insomnia due to using quetiapine as a (admittedly extremely effective) sleep aid for 4 years. Unfortunately when stopping it I couldn't sleep normally again. But now I use melatonin which has done wonders for my sleep. Without it, I would be forced to go back to a "nasty" drug to get sleep.

I don't know if it is necessary to post what drugs I have experienced with, but maybe it can help understand where I am coming from (note: the * mark means it is a drug I have used since returning to this fascinating world of chemicals last year)

Cannabis
Ecstacy (also pure MDMA)
Amphetamine
Methamphetamine
GHB/GBL
Cocaine
LSD
Mushrooms
5-MeO-DIPT
4-HO-DIPT
4-Acetoxy-DIPT
5-MeO-DMT (*)
2C-I
2C-B
MDAI (*)
MDAT (*)
Methoxetamine (*)
Methiopropamine (*)
4-HO-DPT (*)
5-MeO-DALT (*)
4-AcO-DMT (*)
4-HO-MET (*)
Phenazepam (* illegal here, not sold by pharmacies, bought from a RC vendor)

Prescription medicines used include citalopram, escitalopram, venlafaxine, mirtazapine, paroxetine, fluoxetine, oxazepam, alprazolam, diazepam, clonazepam, temazepam, pregabalin, quetiapine, propranolol, bisoprolol and some I cannot remember. Now I daily use 15 mg escitalopram, 3 mg clonazepam and 225 mg pregabalin (but tapering off, was using 600 mg daily a couple of months ago).

I have quite a stock of medicine and RC's now. Of the new RC's, methoxetamine is one of my favouries, as is 4-HO-DPT (in my opinion one of the most underrated psychedelics there are). Still untestead in my stack are 4-Aco-DMT and 4-HO-MET, both which I will try the coming months. EDIT: Already tested ! I also have 5-MeO-AMT, but based on what I have heard, I will not touch it.

There are still many substances untried which fascinate me. These are especially DMT (the 5-MeO version very familiar), Mescaline, Ketamine and from the RC side DPT.

I also have other interests, being a big sports fan, especially football (soccer for you Americans), alpine skiing, road bicycle racing and Formula 1. I also work out at the gym frequently and like bicycling. Travelling is one of my biggest passions, mountains being the biggest passion of all. Mountaineering and mountain hiking gives me the best kicks of all - better than drugs. The awosomeness, beauty and spirituality (yes, I see spirituality in rocks and cliffs, they are as much nature as anything else) of mountains never cease to amaze me. Quoting the mountaineer Anatoly Bukreev who lost his life on Annapurna 1 doing what he loved (RIP).

Mountains are not stadiums where I satisfy my ambition to achieve, they are the cathedrals where I practice my religion...I go to them as humans go to worship. From their lofty summits I view my past, dream of the future and, with an unusual acuity, am allowed to experience the present moment...my vision cleared, my strength renewed. In the mountains I celebrate creation. On each journey I am reborn.

I am also a music freak, especially goatrance and psychedelic trance are like a part of me I cannot live without. I feel myself connected to something higher through psytrance. I collect records and I'm a "bedroom-DJ". I haven't attended parties for almost 7 years, but will most certainly do so in the future.

This was a long and probably boring introduction, but at least it had some therapeutic effects for me, as I have no friends anymore who are interested in drugs and many don't even know I use anything. So I have no one to share my experiences with...well until now, hopefully :)
 
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Wow, Cyanoide, welcome to Bluelight!

Cannabis
Ecstacy (also pure MDMA)
Amphetamine
Methamphetamine
GHB/GBL
Cocaine
LSD
Mushrooms
5-MeO-DIPT
4-HO-DIPT
4-Acetoxy-DIPT
5-MeO-DMT
2C-I
2C-B
MDAI (*)
MDAT (*)
Methoxetamine (*)
Methiopropamine (*)
4-HO-DPT (*)
5-MeO-DALT (*)
Phenazepam (* illegal here, not sold by pharmacies, bought from a RC vendor)

Prescription medicines used include citalopram, escitalopram, venlafaxine, mirtazapine, fluoxetine, oxazepam, alprazolam, diazepam, clonazepam, temazepam, pregabalin, quetiapine, propranolol, bisoprolol and some I cannot remember. Now I daily use 15 mg escitalopram, 3 mg clonazepam and 225 mg pregabalin (but tapering off, was using 600 mg daily a couple of months ago).

I have quite a stock of medicine and RC's now. Of the new RC's, methoxetamine is one of my favouries, as is 4-HO-DPT (in my opinion of the most underrated psychedelics there are). Still untestead in my stack are 4-Aco-DMT and 4-HO-MET, both which I will try the coming months. I also have 5-MeO-AMT, but based on what I have heard, I will not touch it.

That's quite the dossier!
 
Welcome to Bluelight :)

Wow that's some intro thread lol.. I would love to try 4-HO-DPT, it's just find it is the problem :P
 
Thank you NeighborhoodThreat and Swerlz.

That's quite the dossier!

I've never used any opiates though ;)

The problem with the prescription meds was finding something that worked. Initially, none seemed to work besides benzos. So my doctors and psyhiatrists changed it and changed it, until I finally got to a doctor who actually listened to me and my own wishes. At this point I know which meds work and which don't, so it is basically me telling the doctor what I need. No point in writing random prescription medicines and just hope they'll do the trick.

Wow that's some intro thread lol.. I would love to try 4-HO-DPT, it's just find it is the problem :P

It is magical. I will write a trip report in due time.
 
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Keep it like that lol.. opiates can be a total motherfucker

Fun for like the first 10min.. and hell for the next 4 days

I know this from experience.. I was addicted to heroin for many years
 
Hi Cyanoide,

My name is Nick I also just joined and I have had very similar experiences to you although I haven't really had any particularly effective treatment for the resulting depression and social anxiety disorder.

I have just kind of dulled the suffering a little with SSRIs for the past 13 years or so. The only major difference in time-line and activity I can see is that I started at 13 taking LSD with no idea of what it was, never mind the long term effects it could bring about. I took roughly one acid tab every other weekend for around 18 months. I started on the ecstasy at 15 and the rest followed as it so often does. Then I was just a paranoid drugged up mess until my friend Dan died from ecstasy induced hyperthermia due in large part to the silly quantities we used to take.

That was when I was about 20 and it made me quit everything except alcohol which led to its own unique set of issues. I have been living with the consequences ever since, with my ability to enjoy everyday life hugely less than what it should be.

I am a student and have recently begun experimenting with modafinil to aid concentration followed by mirtazapine to sedate me and allow sleep but this has had its own set of consequences which you can see here if you're interested

http://www.bluelight.ru/vb/showthread.php?t=425863&highlight=modafinil

Following a number of 'bad trips' I really should have stopped but I just kept using to try and have a good trip which in my addled brain of the time I thought would fix the psychological damage I had done. Needless to say this didn't work.

Here is the list of chemicals I have used recreationally:

Cannabis
Amphetamine
GHB/GBL
Cocaine
LSD
Ketamine
Ecstacy (and pure MDMA)
Mushrooms
Methodone
Nubain
Tamazepam
Diazepam
Heroin (sparingly)

Prescription meds I have actually been prescribed over the years are fluoxetine, paroxetine and citalopram and I currently take 40mg citalopram, 200+mg modafinil (modalert) and 15 - 30mg mirtazapine.

I hide the way I feel really well most of the time if I actually end up in a social situation (rare) and the only thing doctors ever see in me is depression so I get SSRIs prescribed. I think they probably see me as a risk if prescribed meds which could be used recreationally because I have pretty much bared my soul on my medical records and they know what I was like. I did do 8 weeks of MBCT for my depression but I was too 'lazy' to do the practices and as such it was not very helpful.

Although I would like no one to be affected by these kinds of issues it's nice to know that I'm not alone in suffering this way. Hopefully this site will help to point me in the right direction and I can eventually overcome my illness.

The way I feel, I don't think I'll ever be able to cope with the mental stress I associate with the aftermath of class A usage. Although that isn't my goal as I think I did enough self exploration in my early teens I just want to be free to be happy and healthy and it gives me hope to see you have reached a point where you feel you are mentally sound enough to begin experimenting with Psychedelics.

Peace,

Nick :)
 
Nick, I couldn't send a private message but can you please send me an email, I think we could have a lot to learn from each others experiences.
 
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yes quite an introduction, which has almost scared me, you are an walking pharmacy man! ... respect! from my point of view you are a bit overdoing, but I should'nt say that, it is just my humble opinion... Anyway what really scares me you know what it is? that f**k SNUS... Which I tried in 1997 in my 1 year spent in goteborg and made me puke as I never did before and after... I will never do it again and I hate it... not even comparable with the only thing you havent tried (apparently),, lady H, that at the beginning makes puke everybody (not me).
I suggest you to have try with ketamine, it is a dissociative really interesting...take care man
 
yes quite an introduction, which has almost scared me, you are an walking pharmacy man! ... respect! from my point of view you are a bit overdoing, but I should'nt say that, it is just my humble opinion... Anyway what really scares me you know what it is? that f**k SNUS... Which I tried in 1997 in my 1 year spent in goteborg and made me puke as I never did before and after... I will never do it again and I hate it... not even comparable with the only thing you havent tried (apparently),, lady H, that at the beginning makes puke everybody (not me).
I suggest you to have try with ketamine, it is a dissociative really interesting...take care man

Sorry for brining up my own introduction again, not bumping the thread but I just want to comment on this reply.

I am definatly not overdoing anything right now. I have done it in the past and suffered hard consequences from it. Right now, I use drugs 1-2 times every 1-2 months. I don't think that's very much. I have mental issues and I am very aware about what I take and not.

About snus, it has tens of times more nicotine than cigarettes. If you don't have a high nicotine tolerance, you will almost certainly puke the first time(s). But it's great stuff for a nicotine addict like me who would smoke otherwise. Snus is amongst the most harmless, albeit addictive, psychoactive drug there is. OK, it's bad for your gums and the nicotine raises blood pressure, but there is no conclusice evidence of anyone getting cancer or dying from it (it's very different from the American chewing/dipping snuff). Just had to defend it =D

Ketamine is certainly something that interests me, as are many other substances (i.e. DMT), but everything in due time ;)

BTW, if there is anyone who speaks Swedish, Danish or Norwegian, feel free to send me en e-mail at. I have no one to speak about psychoactives with in my mother tongue (Swedish) where I live.
 
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The next on my list is Ganesha. %)

While I find phenetylamines interesting, I have problems with their stimulant effects. Stimulants trigger panic attacks in me...So I'll just stick to tryptamines (there are soooo many unexplored still) and dissociatives. I'm a tryptamine guy, well exept for LSD :)

One of my worst experiences ever was on 2C-I, it was the only time I was so f*cked up my friends had to take care of me. I lost my short term memory totally, didn't know who I was, where I was, started walking across streets with red lights and almost got overrun by a few cars, I just had no clue of...anything 8(
So I think I'll stay away from 2C-G too, at least if it's like 2C-I .
 
I found 2c-I and 2c-E to be pretty similar.

I'm sorry that amphetamine type stimulant/psychedelics become problematic for you, at least dissociatives and tryptamines are still awesome for you. %)

If you are to try d-amphetamine by itself, start at a low dosage. It seems you are pretty sensitive to them.

It would also pay off to have some benzodiazepines on hand to reduce the stimulation if it becomes too much/overwhelming for you.
 
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