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The Big & Dandy DOC Thread (Part 1)

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"Who are you to tell people what dosages they should start taking."

Dosage is one of the main topics of discussion on this board. Plenty of people share their opinions of good starting dosages of chemicals here.

The bottom line is that substances that are very potent pose a greater risk of improper measurement.

This definitely does not mean that the DOXs are bad, just a bit more problematic.

Hopefully this one will respected and enjoyed greatly.
 
Survived Abortion said:
forbiddenisdefruit, just becasue you had a bad time on DOI doesn't mean everyone else will have a bad time on DOC or DOI. Your posts are extremely biased towards tarnishing the image of a perfectly good psychedelic drug. I have used DOC before and it is nothing like what you make it out to be.
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i am forbidden's friend "IRL," and he actually had a pretty good time on DOI for the most part. :)
 
These drugs should be respected, but I don't believe they should be feared. I'm glad they are becoming available again. I'll definitely be picking some up (probably about a quarter gram) and will be using liquid measurement and definitely starting lower (even after conversion) than I have with the 2Cs. It'll might be annoying having a below threshold experience on something like .5 mg, but it seems better than overdoing it the first time.
 
^^^ To a point, but never underestimate the prevalence of idiocy in the human kind. The last time DOC was in *wider* circulation in 2006 or 7 or whenever there were quite a few dumb ass stories in newspapers around the USA about DOC,freak outs, and the police. I saw it being referred to as "super molly" in a few of the articles (?!) and being described as "a powerful mix of amphetamine and psychedelics". Yup, idiocy....

Bluelight is a harm reduction forum and DOC is an order of magnitude touchier and far less forgiving than its more common 2C brethren. I don't think it is possible to lay it on too thick in regards to safety, dosage, and what to expect. Is it going to more unpleasant to sift through a few pages of cautionary advice or a 24 hr trip?

Be safe!
 
HofmannBlotter said:
I should be able to get some DOC in fews weeks :)

By the way i had some questions :

1) Do you think it is possible to make a liquid solution using Distilled Water and alcohol ?
2) I'm total noob in math do you think it is possible to make something like 1mg for 0.1ml ? So that's mean 10mg will be 1ml ? Can it be dissolved ?
3) I only tried DOI several times, how did you compare to it in terms of visuals ?

Thank you !
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You really think that is a good idea?

You freak out on 4-ho-met because of the bodyload - but want to trip on DOC?

If you do it, please be carefull! i remember reading a thread dedicated to you in the shrine... glad you're still alive - please make it last a little longer?

and really - 10mg/ml with something like DOC - that's way too high of a concentration, much too easy to overdose that way... better to do 1mg/10ml!

please be carefull! :)
 
Hey buddy ! I had tried DOI several times up to 4mg and it went fine with these compounds ! Thanks for being worry for me it's kind :P I will be safe with it ;)
 
LoL... My post must have been bad. For all the melodrama here I got singled as the one with the "worthless" post. Nevermind that I was able to confirm purity by having seen the HNMR and LCMS, which is always beneficial in terms of harm reduction, in my book.

Well, anyways, to make amends, I have a question/suggestion about aborting DOC- DOC lasts a long time yes, so we need a solution that won't wear off before the DOC is done having its way with a person.

Phenazepam- that abhorred, non euphoric, 60+ hour half-life monstrosity of a benzo. Is that the solution here for a negative DOC experience? A premeasured bit of the Phenazepam, sitting around just in case?

In essence, is it more desirable to utilize a long lasting, non-emotional benzo like phenazepam with DOX than a shorter acting, emotionally disruptive one like etizolam (I find etizolam to sometimes give a weird, manic euphoria for a period)?
 
^ It sounds really strange that Phenazepam has 60 hours half-life, its instruction states that T1/2 = 6-10-18 hours.

Also, is atypical antipsychotics(like Zyprexa) an option for you?
 
allium said:
^ It sounds really strange that Phenazepam has 60 hours half-life, its instruction states that T1/2 = 6-10-18 hours.
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I haven't read the originating publication myself, but, as you prolly already saw, this is the paper that wikipedia references:

ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pubmed/7173273

Eur J Drug Metab Pharmacokinet. 1982;7(3):191-6.

Species differences in phenazepam kinetics and metabolism.

Anecdotally, I've heard it takes a long time to come on. I have some, but have had no cause to try it yet. The long come-on of the Phenazepam might make it less than optimal to trip-abort in a timely fashion.

allium said:
Also, is atypical antipsychotics(like Zyprexa) an option for you?
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Hmmm... Don't know. Not familiar with them, actually. I have always been fearful of the whole Tardive Diskinesia thing, as I know some people who are on anti-psychotics long term (I don't know if they're "atypical" or not), and they have serious tremor issues.

Now, I would guess though, that this concern about Tardive Diskinesia is irrelevant to "once in a blue-moon" anti-psychotic usage with the sole intent to trip-abort?

Also, I think that in general I would prefer to "abort" with a benzo, as benzos+entheogens are my guilty pleasure: I know I'll probably take flak here, but I sometimes like the benzo+2C-X or Trypt combination for it's relaxed, integrative and just plain fun aspects. So, the headspace and familiarity of benzo aborts are probably more friendly to me than experimenting with anti-psychotics.

Thanks for the tip though, I will be checking into these. Maybe they're for trips that reasonable amounts of benzos just won't touch?

Survived Abortion said:
I think diazepam should suffice, if you get in to trouble.
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Unfortunately, diazepam is Schedule IV in my country... So that kind of makes it difficult, and not worth the risk to acquire. I already have the Phenazepam, so although my country has disallowed further imports, it's still technically legal. I also have access to Etizolam, which might be considered an "analogue", but analogue laws apply only to schedule I compounds here, so that is technically legal as well.

I'd like to stay as legit as possible, and valium is not the answer in that regard unfortunately.
 
I haven't read the originating publication myself, but, as you prolly already saw, this is the paper that wikipedia references
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Yeah, I saw this in wikipedia, although I read abstract only now.
It seems quite strange to me, because, like I said, russian instruction states T1/2 is only 6-10-18 hours. Is T1/2. Anecdotally, I tend to agree with the instruction, rather then with this article.

Anecdotally, I've heard it takes a long time to come on.
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This depends on what you call "long time". Is 1hours long for you?
I think I usually start feeling its efffects after 20-30 minutes, with full effects after another 30 minutes.

Also, I think that in general I would prefer to "abort" with a benzo
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Benzos probably have less side-effects than antipsychotics, but I just wanted to suggest another option.
 
etizolam might be a better option IMO. 0.5mg sublingually makes me extremely relaxed quite quickly. If i have any drinks at all i'll probably doze off on the couch. Also mirtazepine, a 5-HT2a antagonist, works for some without some of the negative aspects of anti-psychotics.
 
^ Pretty much exactly why I'm watching this thread. Peeps are probebly waiting for just the right time to try this compound...

I alos find Etiz a good downer because it comes on so quickly. I'm not sure it would last long enough to cancel out a bad DOC trip but one could always dose again (once) if uncomfortable on DOC. Personally, I'd probably go for Valium at a nice high (for me) dose of 10 or 20mg but would have to be prepared for the hour long approach. Etiz would def hit quicker. But who knows how these thing might interact! The best option if to find the right time, set & setting for this sorta trip & reduce as much as possible the chances of an unpleasant trip.

Thanks again to Fruity for his warnings & for qualifying his earlier, more incendary posts! I'm still starting below the 1mg dosage (IF I can get some DOC) & working up slowly on different days. I'd advise anyone new to these things to do the same & familiarise yourselves with the effects of DOC slowly. It's just common sense with anything new!

Finally, I recomend highly diluting this compound so as to make allergy testing easier. My plan is to add 10mgs of DOC (IF etc etc) to 200 drops of Vodka, making each drop contain 50ug of DOC. I expect & hope that 50ug is WELL below the active dose & will have zero effect but if I'm sensitive in any way hopefully reactions will not be fatal at this extremely low dosage. Allergy testing this compound might be quite difficult so if anyone else has any idea's how to do so safely, I'm all ears...
 
50 'drops' is not an acccurate volume of liquid. Dilute using a known volume of vodka.

I hear the new batch is the racemic mix.
 
in regards to allergy testing, get a metered oral dropper. For $3-4 my local pharmacy has packs of 2 that are tickered every 0.25mL, dilute ~10mg in 20mL of your favorite distilled water/EtOH mixture, suck up .25mL, and ingest. 125µg should be plenty small for an allergy test. If that's not low enough for you, just dilute the initial mixture more, the math's pretty easy :)

And racemate eh? I was a bit curious as to if it were going to be enantiopure. Oh well...
 
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