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Opioids does codeine suck or am I immune to it ?

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Im_Soooooo_High

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Age: 16
Height: 5'11
Weight: 160
BF: 9%

Tolerance: high marijuana/jwh tolerance.
zero or near zero tolerance to everything else
haven't used opiates in months (excluding codeine a few nights ago)


Background: done opiates about 5-7 times in my life.

Oxy: 4-5 times, always about 20mg, fucking LLOOOVVEEE it by far my favorite opiate ive tried.

Hydro: one time, 10 mg, nice buzz

codeine: twice

1st time: did 150mg in school a few months ago and it was pretty good ( not amazing like oxy ) but didnt last very long.

2ed time: like 3 days ago took 150mg on an empty stomach and i could BARLEY feel it. ( might of just ben a placebo effect for all i know)



ok so i have some T3's ( alot of them ) and have a few questions.

1) does codeine just suck and cant compare to oxy no matter how much you take ? ( i know codeine has a celling dose of around 400mg )

2) is there anything i can do to potentate the codeine ? i dont have any other drugs besides codeine and jwh.

3) what does should i take if it takes 22.5mg of oxy for me to be in heaven ?
remember i have a VERY low if any tolerance and 150mg barley did anything.

thanks for the help in advance fellow bluelighters
- john
 
Take more codeine. 300mg at least. Don't forget to do a cold water extraction to get rid of the APAP.
 
Im_Soooooo_High said:
ok so i have some T3's ( alot of them ) and have a few questions.

1) does codeine just suck and cant compare to oxy no matter how much you take ? ( i know codeine has a celling dose of around 400mg )

2) is there anything i can do to potentate the codeine ? i dont have any other drugs besides codeine and jwh.

3) what does should i take if it takes 22.5mg of oxy for me to be in heaven ?
remember i have a VERY low if any tolerance and 150mg barley did anything.

thanks for the help in advance fellow bluelighters
- john
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Codeine is very weak compared to other opiates, especially oxycodone. Although codeine does have a ceiling effect, *never* take more than 400mgs even if you don't feel it. if you want to potentated it, take some with grapefruit juice with the codeine.
 
SECONAL said:
Codeine is very weak compared to other opiates, especially oxycodone. Although codeine does have a ceiling effect, *never* take more than 400mgs even if you don't feel it. if you want to potentated it, take some with grapefruit juice with the codeine.
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awwwww :(


oh well better than nothin and they were free :)

dont have any grapefruit jice but do you agree with the 300mg dose ?
 
Im_Soooooo_High said:
awwwww :(


oh well better than nothin and they were free :)

dont have any grapefruit jice but do you agree with the 300mg dose ?
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If I were you I'd wait until I bought some grapefruit juice and save the pills until then. It's well worth it.

You know you're body best, and with a low tolerance I would start out with only taking around 150mg and work my way up if needed. 300mgs is too much IMO. You can always take more, not less.
 
Some people are pretty much immune to codeine - and at it's best, it doesn't touch hydro, let alone oxy. If you're going to go through with it, then DEFINATELY research a cold-water extraction (CWE) - it's not that difficult, and spares you a lot of liver damage.

But having just kicked a morph/oxy/hydro/fent habit that fucked up a relationship and cost me thousands of dollars, I'd suggest, if you can, save the pills for their intended use: pain control: and don't go any further down this road. I'm 36, and have wasted so much of the last 5 years through opiods and opiates, driving away one woman who cared for, and one who genuinely loved me, that it wrings my heart to read you're just 16. and playing with that fire...I'm not moralising, it just sounds like you've already got the taste for opis. The smartest thing you can do., I think most who've been through the few pills and occasional CWE's that then becomes pills every day (I'm lucky enough to have stayed away from needles) and a major life-defining problem would agree: fuck it. Don't bother.


I know it's pointless saying that: I wouldn't have listened at your age either, but opiates can be a road to ruin for anyone. If you must, then research CWE's - but ask yourself, even with that safety protocol, is it worth it?

I don't mean to condescend, man, it's your life - but so many of us started with the kinda doses you're talkling about, then blew years and $$$ and opportunities and and and...

It's your call - but if you do go ahead with it, keep it REAL occasional - like once or twice a month, max. Opiates can give so much - and then take back, with interest....
 
Where Wolf? said:
Some people are pretty much immune to codeine - and at it's best, it doesn't touch hydro, let alone oxy. If you're going to go through with it, then DEFINATELY research a cold-water extraction (CWE) - it's not that difficult, and spares you a lot of liver damage.

But having just kicked a morph/oxy/hydro/fent habit that fucked up a relationship and cost me thousands of dollars, I'd suggest, if you can, save the pills for their intended use: pain control: and don't go any further down this road. I'm 36, and have wasted so much of the last 5 years through opiods and opiates, driving away one woman who cared for, and one who genuinely loved me, that it wrings my heart to read you're just 16. and playing with that fire...I'm not moralising, it just sounds like you've already got the taste for opis. The smartest thing you can do., I think most who've been through the few pills and occasional CWE's that then becomes pills every day (I'm lucky enough to have stayed away from needles) and a major life-defining problem would agree: fuck it. Don't bother.


I know it's pointless saying that: I wouldn't have listened at your age either, but opiates can be a road to ruin for anyone. If you must, then research CWE's - but ask yourself, even with that safety protocol, is it worth it?

I don't mean to condescend, man, it's your life - but so many of us started with the kinda doses you're talkling about, then blew years and $$$ and opportunities and and and...

It's your call - but if you do go ahead with it, keep it REAL occasional - like once or twice a month, max. Opiates can give so much - and then take back, with interest....
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Once a person has an interest for drugs and gets a taste for opiates, it's almost like a wicked attraction. You'll want to take more, try different ones and then end up addicted.

It sad to see young folks getting involved with drugs, truly heartbreaking because they have so much to offer the future. Not trying to preach, everyone has free will, but I started out at 18 or 19 now I'm 22 with drug related issues. I did break my habit with opies last year, but still need 'em for pain (I got hurt) and still crave that high.
 
Where Wolf? said:
Some people are pretty much immune to codeine - and at it's best, it doesn't touch hydro, let alone oxy. If you're going to go through with it, then DEFINATELY research a cold-water extraction (CWE) - it's not that difficult, and spares you a lot of liver damage.

But having just kicked a morph/oxy/hydro/fent habit that fucked up a relationship and cost me thousands of dollars, I'd suggest, if you can, save the pills for their intended use: pain control: and don't go any further down this road. I'm 36, and have wasted so much of the last 5 years through opiods and opiates, driving away one woman who cared for, and one who genuinely loved me, that it wrings my heart to read you're just 16. and playing with that fire...I'm not moralising, it just sounds like you've already got the taste for opis. The smartest thing you can do., I think most who've been through the few pills and occasional CWE's that then becomes pills every day (I'm lucky enough to have stayed away from needles) and a major life-defining problem would agree: fuck it. Don't bother.


I know it's pointless saying that: I wouldn't have listened at your age either, but opiates can be a road to ruin for anyone. If you must, then research CWE's - but ask yourself, even with that safety protocol, is it worth it?

I don't mean to condescend, man, it's your life - but so many of us started with the kinda doses you're talkling about, then blew years and $$$ and opportunities and and and...

It's your call - but if you do go ahead with it, keep it REAL occasional - like once or twice a month, max. Opiates can give so much - and then take back, with interest....
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i understand your concern and thank you. i know about CWE and will def do it.

i use very rarely ( 1-2 times a month tops.. and skip months sometimes ). i realize everyone proly starts out like that but i have a very strong self control. I just love opiates and use them kinda of like a reward for myself when appropriate.
 
ONly 10% of the codeine gets converted to morphine, so you need a lot to get a good effect especially if you are comparing it to oxy. The ceiling dose is 400mg, after that any extra codeine is wasted.
 
well i CWE'ed 300mg last night and was very disappointed. very little to no euphoria, no warm blanket feeling.. pretty much just made me slow and sleepy.

guess codeines just not for me
 
Where Wolf? said:
Some people are pretty much immune to codeine - and at it's best, it doesn't touch hydro, let alone oxy. If you're going to go through with it, then DEFINATELY research a cold-water extraction (CWE) - it's not that difficult, and spares you a lot of liver damage.

But having just kicked a morph/oxy/hydro/fent habit that fucked up a relationship and cost me thousands of dollars, I'd suggest, if you can, save the pills for their intended use: pain control: and don't go any further down this road. I'm 36, and have wasted so much of the last 5 years through opiods and opiates, driving away one woman who cared for, and one who genuinely loved me, that it wrings my heart to read you're just 16. and playing with that fire...I'm not moralising, it just sounds like you've already got the taste for opis. The smartest thing you can do., I think most who've been through the few pills and occasional CWE's that then becomes pills every day (I'm lucky enough to have stayed away from needles) and a major life-defining problem would agree: fuck it. Don't bother.


I know it's pointless saying that: I wouldn't have listened at your age either, but opiates can be a road to ruin for anyone. If you must, then research CWE's - but ask yourself, even with that safety protocol, is it worth it?

I don't mean to condescend, man, it's your life - but so many of us started with the kinda doses you're talkling about, then blew years and $$$ and opportunities and and and...

It's your call - but if you do go ahead with it, keep it REAL occasional - like once or twice a month, max. Opiates can give so much - and then take back, with interest....
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I wish I had you tell ME this before i ruined my life.........your awesome.
 
Im_Soooooo_High said:
well i CWE'ed 300mg last night and was very disappointed. very little to no euphoria, no warm blanket feeling.. pretty much just made me slow and sleepy.

guess codeines just not for me
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codeine sucks for me too.................nothing happens just sleepy......hydrocodone is a whole different story.
 
1) does codeine just suck and cant compare to oxy no matter how much you take ? ( i know codeine has a celling dose of around 400mg )

2) is there anything i can do to potentate the codeine ? i dont have any other drugs besides codeine and jwh.

3) what does should i take if it takes 22.5mg of oxy for me to be in heaven ?
remember i have a VERY low if any tolerance and 150mg barley did anything.

thanks for the help in advance fellow bluelighters
- john
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ad 1. Codeine is a pro-drug, it has a very low affinity to opioid receptors on its own so talking about its potency is pointless. Around 10% of codeine that went from stomach into the bloodstream is metabolized to morphine. And obviously not all codeine you ingest orally is absorbed but drugs with alkyl group like methyl on C3 have a good oral BA (codeine's is ~90% ).

It doesn't simply suck. It's just completely different in terms of pharmacodynamics from drugs like morphine, hydromorphone, or even oxycodone.

ad 2. Obvious potentiators for any opioid are 1st generation antihistamines. Brompheniramine and chlorpheniramine potentiate opioids a lot. Beside that there is a thread about opioid potentiating. But if you say it's sleepy then it probably won't get better for you. Oxycodone has kind of a speedy feel, drugs like morphine or codeine are more sedate.

ad 3. 22.5mg of oxycodone is like 225mg of codeine. But keep in mind oxycodone is marketed as a hydrochloride and codeine is mostly marketed as a phosphate. Leaflets mostly give the amount of the salt and not substance as a freebase. 300mg should be alright. I guess you expect too much.

Also, codeine doesn't necessarily have a ceiling at 400mg. Long time ago during my early days of opioid abuse I could definitely feel the difference of 400mg codeine i.m. and 600mg codeine i.m.
 
This whole thread is assuming codeine's only effect is due to it's morphine metabolite.

Morphine being the primary mechanism behind codeine's effects is an older theory and current belief is that c-6-g is what is responsible for most of codeine's analgesia. Of course the euphoria could be more a function of conversion to morphine and codeine itself is still not active so it's hard to say. Either way promoting grapefruit juice and other enzyme inhibitors would be suspect in that they would slow the conversion but then let it last longer as well.

Anyways I would suspect you are expecting too much from codeine. It's one of those drugs where you have to embrace it's subtleties and warmth with sedation is often what people experience and enjoy and the euphoria is likely there, just not in comparison to oxycodone and hydro.
 
Think of that commercial Oxyclean... i mean you could just clean something and get deecent or Meh results or you can OXYclean it and get amazing results! *

*says the commercial

So think of it that way, ur taking Codine... as a apposed to OXYcod(i)one :)
 
I dont know that I saw it mentioned here but I think some people can't metabolize codeine and just cant get effects from it. Codeine was the first opiate I ever had and it's the one that set me down the path of opiate addiction and I'm know to return to after long periods of laying off the strong stuff (heroin) - I can definitely take up to 600 mg no problem and get quite a good high from it - the histamine reaction can be a little bit of bummer but it still feels good to me!
 
The very first opioid I tried was codeine, in the form of Tylenol #3. This is close to 13 years ago. The first time I did it I took 60 mg (2 tabs), then the secind time I did it I took a extra tablet - now I'm at 90 mg and it produced a nice high, it was subtle, but noticeabe. Then I took 9 tbs which equals 270 mg of codeine. I was blown away by the shit. I was nodding off, I kept laughing at the fact that I was feeling this joyous feeling that I had never had from anyone. So I went to the internet and did some more research - i found out about vicodins, percocets, and especially hydromorphones.
 
I've taken huuuge doses of codeine and dihydrocodeine, same with tramadol. Worked the first few times then that bitch tolerance kicked me in the side of the head. I believe its my fault for diving into the high doses too soon.
 
I love codeine, every time ive taken it I have gotten one of the best highs from opiates. I see you really like oxy, but for me, I dislike oxy the most out of all the opiates I have taken. Most people talk about getting euphoric & what not from oxy but I dont see it, altho it definitely works for my pain. I get euphoria from codeine & hydrocodone alot but not much from oxy, but then again, everyone is different.
 
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