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Need some guidance in to the world of tryptamines

Basik1

Basik1

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A bit of history about myself, I was fascinated with drugs for years before I ever did one, and then got hooked on opiates very young, for a few years I was still interested in psychedelics but never got around to doing many because I spent all my time and money on opiates.

I did mushrooms 3 or 4 times, morning glory seeds twice, DXM a few times, ketamine once, salvia 4 times, and that is it when it comes to that type of drug. I have also done tones of different opiates, and cocaine.

I have been off oxycodone for 5 years, off methadone for 2 years, and have been on suboxone for 2 years now but am down to 1mg a day and soon to be completely opiate free. My mind is in a fantastic place right now and I feel as if I never will go back to opiates for anything. I have a excellent job finally, a vehicle, house, amazing girlfriend, self respect, etc etc. But enough bragging (although it does always feel good after years of rock bottom to brag about good times:)

I recently became interested in psychedelics again, and want to have a few trips here and there, not so much for partying or anything, more just for introspection (if that is a word). I want to experience what my mind can do under the influence of certain substances. My ultimate goal is DMT or 5-MeO-DMT but I know I am not ready for that. I smoked salvia today but I am pretty sure the bupe blocks it and only got slightly high.

So basically I am wondering what substance do I start with to get me prepared and introduce me in to the world of tryptamines? I mean it doesn't even have to be a tryptamine even something that is similar, so I can build up my confidence instead of smoking some DMT and freaking out and feeling anxious and depressed for a month.

Any advice is appreciate :)
 
I've seen iprocetyl (4-AcO-DiPT) recommended as an "easy" tryptamine. The 2C's are said to be easier than tryptamines, and personally I felt more in control on 2C-I than either mushrooms or iprocetyl. But maybe control isn't what you're looking for. ;)
 
It is not necessarily about control, I mean I enjoy being shit face drunk from time to time, it is more about my mind not being able to handle the trip, and getting scared and freaking out because it is too intense. I want to experience DMT one day but think if I smoked it now I would have a horrible time.
 
To MODs and Admins:

Sorry, I just read the thread about not posting threads like this, I apologize I have not been on BL for years. I just want to make sure I have a safe trip basically.
 
I think it will get closed, but try editing out your questions, so your post will fit into the rules. :)

You were already introduced in the big world of tryptamines by mushrooms ;)

Well, there are plenty of various interesting chemicals in this class. First of all, 4-AcO-DMT, which most people seem to like and enjoy(Except me, for some reason). It is the acetate ester of 4-HO-DMT(Psilocin), in the same way, in which 4-PO-DMT(Psilocybin) is the phosphate ester of 4-HO-DMT. In human body, both 4-AcO- and 4-PO- DMT's are metabolized into psilocin. Thus, 4-AcO-DMT is similar to mushrooms, at least for some people.
So if you like shrooms, look at 4-AcO-DMT and other 4-substituted tryptamines: 4-HO/4-AcO-MET, 4-HO/4-AcO-MiPT and possibly 4-HO/4-AcO-DiPT and 4-HO/4-AcO-DPT, but these two chemicals are less similar to others, according to the report of people.

The second big group is 5-MeO-tryptamines, with 5-MeO-DMT and 5-MeO-MiPT being the most popular chemicals. They aren't very visual usually and psychedelia from them is different, comparing to other psychedelics. People seem to prefer 4-AcO/4-HO-T's over 5-MeO-T's though.
Don't be scared by 5-MeO-DMT intensity. Dose it nasally -- and get nice and mellow experience, with various effects on the ego, but nothing bad and terrible, no ego death, if you fear it. I would recommend doing only 5-10 mg for the first time to see how your body and mind will react to it. It is also quite short-acting, most people are sober at T+1:00 mark(I'm speaking about nasal dosing).
The third group is simple tryptamines: DMT, DET, MET, MiPT, DPT, DiPT and others, I think you got the idea. Sometimes I see that DPT and DMT are called "kings of the tryptamine world", so they certainly worth trying. Again, choose ROAs other than smoking, and you probably will have great experience.
I would note DiPT too, it is truly unique compounds. Although it has nice CEVs, it is known for causing audial distortions, and AFAIK, there no other compounds with such effects.

EDIT: I forgot about AMT, it is triple monoamine releaser, thus being an entactogen. But it is a psychedelic too. :)

There are many, many other tryptamines, not all are psychedelics, not all are tested by humans, and I described only some chemicals that are currently available on the RC market.

Hopefully, my post is helpful.
 
Believe it or not I think LSD is the best to start with.

Reasons...

-No problems with body load. Actually a very desirable body buzz.
-No relative worries about overdosing.
-No real physical side effects in general.
^^^all of those really help people keep a sense of safety and well being
-The trip itself is very euphoric and happy, much easier to have a "positive" mindset rather than mushrooms or some research chems.

From there you can venture out into all different substances with much more confidence and experience.
 
I was a bit surprised that OP is scared by smoked DMT, because he has experience with Salvia.
But I never tried both. :)
 
Thanks all so far, very useful information, I really want visuals more than anything, something that is very visual but does not produce an overwhelming "buzz" to make me feel super out of touch would be the best to prep me. I have had minor visuals before from shrooms, mostly simple wall breathing, and things appearing distorted or the ground glowing a bit, and had very minor visuals on LSA, but never anything mind blowing like I read about, I want CEVs and stuff, that is my aim
 
I am not "afraid" to smoke DMT, more apprehensive because I am not well experienced with psychedelic drugs, it just worries me that I wont be able to handle it, which is after all the whole point of this thread. Also like I said in my original post, I have never had a breakthrough with salvia, which is why I am not "scared" of it because I think my suboxone blocks it. Plus the first time I tried it I was a junkie and didnt have any fear of anything haha.
 
My favourite was 4-HO-DET or psychedelic mushrooms, but it varies for everyone. They tend to be confusing drugs at high doses.
 
So don't smoke DMT, if you have worries. Try it orally first, prepare some ayahuasca.

Plus the first time I tried it I was a junkie and didnt have any fear of anything haha.
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Swimmin: I have had great success with suboxone, and it is relatively cheap compared to a street opiate addiction.
 
Yes. I've copped a few suboxone pills from a few buddies, they work wonders. I've also tried the new suboxone strips that dissolve on your tounge (like listerine strips). I guess i just haven't been willing to quit yet because i know they work well. Must just be me not bein strong enough a suppose. :/
 
You are strong enough bro, believe in yourself, honestly that is what it is all about, I tried lots to quit but never believed I could, when I finally changed my attitude from constant negative to positive, and believe I could change myself, I did. I think addiction has as much to do with attitude as it does with physical dependance (not really talking about NA, I don't believe addiction is a "disease" but I think it is about how you think)

If you ever want to chat some time add me to msn [email protected]
 
For sure man, and yes a lot/most of the addiction is in your head. I can't blame WD's either because the subs take that away completely. I guess i need to just tell myself I'm ready to end it and just do it. Funny thing, I am actually preparing this ayahuasca brew either tonight or tomorrow in hopes to actually help me get rid of the addiction. I figured why wouldn't it work, I'm taking the brew for the actuall means of getting well, rather than recreationally.
 
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