medicinal use of seroquel and bodybuilding

Captain.Heroin said:
That is very interesting that nothing else has worked as well for you.

Most of all I am glad it does work for you - panic is not fun at all. :)
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Thanks. I used to get VERY drastic panic attacks and I had to go to the ER more times than I can remember. I was like a member there. Since I started using Sero, I only had one episode that put me in the ER, thank God. :)



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Voxide said:
Probably won't do any damage, but you're certainly not at the same lifting potential than you would be straight.

I'll take my chances and stay the fuck away.
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LoL I'll take my chances and stay away from seroquel, but I'm going to stay close to my HERb. ;). I work out 5 days a week, and take sedatives everyday (Xanax from my doctor), plus others and as long as you take your herbal supplements like Horny Goat Weed, LJ100 Tongkat Ali, Tribulus, etc you'll be fine.
I do it everyday and have under 5% body fat, and am very muscular/toned.

Using da herbal will not affect your lifting potential in any negative way. It actually will probably help you recover, and breeze through your workouts depending on your reaction to the substance.
Everyone is different when it comes to "the Herbal" it seems.

Now, Seroquel, I had such a bad reaction to it. Not to mention its HORRIBLE withdrawals, like you couldnt imagine. Worse than any other drug I've ever tried. Extremely addictive. Use caution. I finally got off of it when I gained 30 pounds (in less than two weeks), looked obese, felt like I had a dark cloud following me around, it interacted horribly with most all other drugs. My family started telling me I was not talking, and just staring into space. So No Seroquel for me. Keep it far away from me, but if it works for you, then go for it! Not to mention, that it did NOTHING for my panic disorder nor depression!!! A pill that is pure side effects.
It does mess with muscle atrophy, and muscle:fat ratios(blood sugar levels), read up on it.
 
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delinquent_who said:
Using da herbal will not affect your lifting potential in any negative way. It actually will probably help you recover, and breeze through your workouts depending on your reaction to the substance.
Everyone is different when it comes to "the Herbal" it seems.
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Fortunately, you have no way of proving that. Oxygen levels go down whenever you smoke anything, so there's your answer. Breeze through workouts, probably; breezing only because you're too fucked up to know that a workout SHOULD NOT be easy, not because your performance is enhanced. Yeah, everyone has their own reactions to the effects, but everyone is also subjected to the negative physical effects that have to do with inhaling smoke and having a high heart rate piled up on top of physical exertion, if you're talking about being high while lifting, that is. In which case I would proceed to laugh my ass off if you actually found any real benefit in other than making it seem like it's easy. If cannabis didn't do any damage, big guys would be using it. Since most do not even touch it all, that pretty much settles it.
 
Cannabis effects everyone differently. I've smoked/lifted on several occasions. Depending on the strain it calms you down (lowers stress) so you won't feel as warn out mentally from lifting. Doesn't stress hinder performance?

You can also totally zone into the muscle you are working. It gets a bit harder if you're trying to do squats and having to focus on several things at once. That I would not recommend.
 
auhsoJ said:
Cannabis effects everyone differently. I've smoked/lifted on several occasions. Depending on the strain it calms you down (lowers stress) so you won't feel as warn out mentally from lifting. Doesn't stress hinder performance?

You can also totally zone into the muscle you are working. It gets a bit harder if you're trying to do squats and having to focus on several things at once. That I would not recommend.
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Yes, it does have different peripheral effects on everybody, hence why some people are functional when high and others can't even hold a conversation.

What you don't have control over, is how these effects are hindering your gym progress. You're high. You only think you're lifting good. Coincidentally enough, squats happen to be one of the most important exercises in the gym. Whether or not weed hinders your performance honestly depends on what you consider training. I will agree though, from the few times I have smoked I noticed an increased sense of the workings in my body. Like getting mental pictures of everything working, including muscles. The mind-muscle connection doesn't have to be brought on by drugs, though.
Captain.Heroin said:
You can vaporize cannabis, or ingest edibles. You don't have to smoke it.
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Eating fats pre-workout -> Not a good idea

No matter which way you choose to use it, reaction slowing is never good when doing any sort of exercise. Even outside of the gym, you're not going to tell me that you crave tuna cans and egg whites when you're high. Also, I wouldn't doubt if it inhibited the ability to lose fat, since THC is stored in fat cells.


You don't need to avoid pot if you're just a weekend lifter who does it for fun. Your goals don't require you to limit yourself like that. I'm not saying you won't make gains while smoking. For fuck's sake, Ruhl used to smoke cigarettes, or definitely used to. Did he luck out and make gains anyway? No. Could he have been bigger and stronger had he not smoked? Absolutely. I understand it's bluelight and all, very few people here, if any at all have done competitions and actually live the lifestyle. The view on drugs and bodybuilding varies so much from forum to forum.
 
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This is a pointless argument but aren't there hordes of lifters "living the lifestyle" who abuse prescription pain killers? Anti-anxiety medications? Nubain? Obviously staying totally clean is of most benefit but compared to those things - what's wrong with smoking a plant?

I think it's possible.

With each passing year I find myself more and more into "living the lifestyle" and the only thing I'll really partake in is the herb. I'd like to do at least one competition but I never think I'm good enough. Better wait till I'm 25.
 
auhsoJ said:
This is a pointless argument but aren't there hordes of lifters "living the lifestyle"
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If they are abusing these things or using them for a recreational purpose, then they aren't "living the lifestyle". That's the entire point. The more I see responses to this thread, the more I can't help but think you're just rationalizing a habit. What's wrong with smoking a plant? Easy. Reduced lung capacity, endurance, and blood oxygen levels.
 
I'm defintly rationlizing it but I also feel like I'm arguing with someone over whether or not steroids are cheating. Of all the recerational drugs out there (booze and tobacco included) pot is one of the least harmful. I can understand how "waking and baking" might disrupt "tha lifestyle" but in my case I do it when I can spare the cash and almost only at night.

Whenever I read this argument on any message board there's always a horde of lifters who'll go on about how negatively it effects their performance without any shred of evidence other than blurbs that could have come out of a HS health teacher. Just like all the people who moan whenever Jay Cutler posts a picture on facebook - "HE DONE TOOK MAGIC PILLS AND CHEATED!" - all seemingly having followed the advice of media sensationalizists.

I don't believe that lack of oxygen statement. I've suffered from asthma since childhood and I also commute by bicycle everywhere. I'm one of those jackasses on a brakeless fixed gear dodging traffic. I also don't wheeze going up hills. Yes, I know - good for me.

Some people are actually trying to make asthma a case of medicinal marijuana.

Here's a random article I found via Google. Case closed! :D

http://www.cannabismd.net/asthma/
 
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auhsoJ said:
I'm defintly rationlizing it but I also feel like I'm arguing with someone over whether or not steroids are cheating. Of all the recerational drugs out there (booze and tobacco included) pot is one of the least harmful. I can understand how "waking and baking" might disrupt "tha lifestyle" but in my case I do it when I can spare the cash and almost only at night.

Whenever I read this argument on any message board there's always a horde of lifters who'll go on about how negatively it effects their performance without any shred of evidence other than blurbs that could have come out of a HS health teacher. Just like all the people who moan whenever Jay Cutler posts a picture on facebook - "HE DONE TOOK MAGIC PILLS AND CHEATED!" - all seemingly having followed the advice of media sensationalizists.

I don't believe that lack of oxygen statement. I've suffered from asthma since childhood and I also commute by bicycle everywhere. I'm one of those jackasses on a brakeless fixed gear dodging traffic. I also don't wheeze going up hills. Yes, I know - good for me.

Some people are actually trying to make asthma a case of medicinal marijuana.

Here's a random article I found via Google. Case closed! :D

http://www.cannabismd.net/asthma/
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Smoking anything, tobacco, weed, nutmeg, will always decrease oxygen in the blood due to oxygen being replaced with inhaled smoke, as result, the heart needs to work harder to pump oxygenated blood into muscles. It's not rocket science. The dilation of the lung passages has nothing to do with your muscles being starved of oxygen. If anything, dilation simply makes room for more smoke. THC has been shown to have bronchial effects by dilating passages, but this is a complete catch22 to any bodybuilder. We can compare non-smoker lift stats to smoker stats, just to avoid any science-talk study which nobody can understand. The results will be clear.

It has nothing to do with media sensationalists or health class. You say this as if I don't already know that pot is less dangerous than alcohol. The point is, any serious lifter will avoid it. Sure, you can smoke pot and make gains, and push it hard, but you will never be as strong as someone who doesn't smoke at all. You aren't serious about your goals if you come into the gym intoxicated. That's a complete mockery of the sport. Saying that you work as hard as a non-smoker is foolish, and totally false. That's just what a large portion of bodybuilding is, is not to engage. Even a .0000001% decrease in protein synthesis is too much for me to lose.
 
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You mentioned you had tried smoking and lifting before. I know you know the difference between pot and booze. I actually agree with a lot of what you said and I can't exactly disagree in the harm in inhaling smoke.

I don't believe that having a few puffs before the gym (not to say that it should be an every time thing) is any different than getting jacked up on caffeine-ridden pre-workout drink, ephedrine or a aggression-altering substance like halo. If you think it helps and it's not obviously not super harmful (meth) - use it.
 
Voxide said:
Fortunately, you have no way of proving that. Oxygen levels go down whenever you smoke anything, so there's your answer. Breeze through workouts, probably; breezing only because you're too fucked up to know that a workout SHOULD NOT be easy, not because your performance is enhanced. Yeah, everyone has their own reactions to the effects, but everyone is also subjected to the negative physical effects that have to do with inhaling smoke and having a high heart rate piled up on top of physical exertion, if you're talking about being high while lifting, that is. In which case I would proceed to laugh my ass off if you actually found any real benefit in other than making it seem like it's easy. If cannabis didn't do any damage, big guys would be using it. Since most do not even touch it all, that pretty much settles it.
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Vaporizer anyone?

Not saying your not right just putting in that smoking weed out of a vaporizer doesn't harm the lungs.
 
CheapHighMan said:
Vaporizer anyone?

Not saying your not right just putting in that smoking weed out of a vaporizer doesn't harm the lungs.
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Already addressed. The physical properties of the smoke are eliminated, but the effects of the THC are still there. Since the direct effects of THC on muscle fibers is unknown, I, as well as nearly all competitors aren't taking the risk.
auhsoJ said:
You mentioned you had tried smoking and lifting before. I know you know the difference between pot and booze. I actually agree with a lot of what you said and I can't exactly disagree in the harm in inhaling smoke.

I don't believe that having a few puffs before the gym (not to say that it should be an every time thing) is any different than getting jacked up on caffeine-ridden pre-workout drink, ephedrine or a aggression-altering substance like halo. If you think it helps and it's not obviously not super harmful (meth) - use it.
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Fair enough. Even caffeine has been shown to possess short-term catabolic properties due to cortisol spikes. I never use it during workouts, and very rarely in the recreational sense.


The topic has strayed off quite a bit, but as was already stated, Seroquel will not allow one to reach their full gym potential. Anti-psychotics may very well be the absolute worst drugs to mix with physical exercise, only because of the side effects coupled with the nature of the condition they are prescribed for. I have never seen a muscular schizophrenic. Sero is way over-prescribed for retarded shit like anxiety, that you really don't need a fucking drug for. It also has a very strange way of working in the body...the LESS you take, the more fucked up you get. People who take it for rec purposes are pretty dumb. It's only effective in making you feel like shit, then being knocked out. It does what it's intended to do, though. I've never known anyone who has taken one of those fuckers and stayed awake.
 
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auhsoJ said:
You mentioned you had tried smoking and lifting before. I know you know the difference between pot and booze. I actually agree with a lot of what you said and I can't exactly disagree in the harm in inhaling smoke.

I don't believe that having a few puffs before the gym (not to say that it should be an every time thing) is any different than getting jacked up on caffeine-ridden pre-workout drink, ephedrine or a aggression-altering substance like halo. If you think it helps and it's not obviously not super harmful (meth) - use it.
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Meth doesn't have to be super harmful; there's just a careful and reckless way to go about using any one drug or all drugs.

I think if all you are doing is smoking cannabis occasionally, you're doing quite well.

If you're vaporizing cannabis or hash effectively, I don't even see any negative effects. Just positive ones.

I'm going to side with auhsoJ on this one.
 
I take 50 milligrams of Seroquel at night. I haven't noticed it having any effects when it comes to muscle building. In fact, the deep sleep really helps. I am trying to get off it relatively soon, but do not listen to people here telling you to get off it. That is between your doctor and you.

As for it effecting protein synthesis, I haven't seen anything indicating that it does. Also, I get so damn hungry on it as well, I am often able to take in a good amount of food in the hour or two I take it before bed.

Obviously not something you want to be on the long term unless you have some very serious issues. I am currently not using anything not perscribed and the seroquel is part of what helps me. I have had sleep issues all my life.
 
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