Opioids Being safe with opiates

[whippa craka]

First of I am well aware there is no defining line where someone will become addicted/attatched or over-appreciate opiates... Knowing this, I AM NOT looking for an exact amount.

Recently in my area there are some OP80's going around. I like taking 40mg but esspecially like taking the whole 80. I will absolutly never take more then 80mg in one day and never more then two days in a row. At the rate I have been taking the pills, I am ingesting no more then two OP80's a week. At this rate how susceptible am I to feeling some sort of withdrawl symptoms and am addicted?

If so, how bad? This is STRICTLY OPINION and nothing you say should be used as a reference to 'safely' use these drugs. I am saying this in hope that the thread doesn't get closed. I would say assume that you take a couple pills and be addicted. But more realisticly, how many mg of oxy per week would you have to be taking to start getting physically and/or over-psychologically attatched to the drug. STRICLY OPINION.

 

[YellowNikes]

i would say that if you took at least four days off a week(not doing any opiates) you will not get physically addicted. Psychologically, it just depends what you count as a psychological addiction.

 

[whippa craka]

i would say that if you took at least four days off a week(not doing any opiates) you will not get physically addicted. Psychologically, it just depends what you count as a psychological addiction.

That's is what I was thinking. A psychological addiction is an issue for the weak-minded, when you are physically addicted though. A whole different ball park

Im just lookin for some estimates, thanks

 

[YellowNikes]

I wouldnt say weak-minded given that it will happen with little regard to how strong your mind is. One's ability to overcome a psychological addiction could be judged as "weak-minded or strong minded" though.

 

[burn out]

ive been following the 8/72 rule on heroinhelper:

You may use for an eight hour period in every seventy-two hour period.

There is no breaking up of the eight hour period. You can't split it up into two four hour periods, for example. Also, you can't use for eight hours at the end of one period and another eight hours at the beginning of the next. This means that after you use (for a maximum of 8 hours), you must stay clean for the 64 hours that follow it.

http://heroinhelper.com/user/misc/chipper_tips.shtml

This rule is for heroin but if the half life of oxycodone is the same or less (sorry dunno the half life for oxy) then it should work for oxycodone as well. Keep in mind, I consider this pretty heavy use for a non addict and you will probably get psychologically addicted if you use this much. I doubt there will be any serious physical withdrawal though. The author guarantees you won't have withdrawal in fact, which I haven't yet but I haven't been using heroin that long either.

 

[Mora Fiend]

A psychological addiction is not always a 'weak-mind', some people are pre-disposed to do certian things regardless of their moral integrity. Also, a safe level of opiate use before getting addicted is zero. No offense OP, but I have seen just about every user I have ever seen say the following:

1. I will only use on the weekends, which led to
2. I will only use every other day, which led to
3. I use everyday, but at least im not doing heroin, which led to
4. I know I use heroin, but at least I don't shoot it, which led to
5. I shoot heroin, at least it's cheaper than oxy!

Not saying you will turn out this way, but it's a good possibility.

 

[psychopath]

My psychiatrist said the best rule of thumb is do it less days in a week than you do. Like, max 3 days a week. Again, just an opinion.

 

[NeighborhoodThreat]

A psychological addiction is not always a 'weak-mind', some people are pre-disposed to do certian things regardless of their moral integrity. Also, a safe level of opiate use before getting addicted is zero. No offense OP, but I have seen just about every user I have ever seen say the following:

1. I will only use on the weekends, which led to
2. I will only use every other day, which led to
3. I use everyday, but at least im not doing heroin, which led to
4. I know I use heroin, but at least I don't shoot it, which led to
5. I shoot heroin, at least it's cheaper than oxy!

Not saying you will turn out this way, but it's a good possibility.

Agreed. Calling addiction a result "of the weak mind" is misleading.

 

[bassmethod]

People are predisposed to already assuming that once they ingest a drug, for example, they will be dependent on it. I think a lot of this stuff, which is just talk of the grape vine, is over-hyped and almost created into the human psyche in this way. We have people that are psychologically 'addicted' to different forms of worship, the way in which they bathe and even radical crochê sessions. There's a lot more to this deal then meets the eye.
Yes, many people do become 'addicted' to opiates.
No, not everyone does.
I do think education plays a part in this whole scenario, I'm willing to argue this position.

 

[ejnjgrl822]

A psychological addiction is not always a 'weak-mind', some people are pre-disposed to do certian things regardless of their moral integrity. Also, a safe level of opiate use before getting addicted is zero. No offense OP, but I have seen just about every user I have ever seen say the following:

1. I will only use on the weekends, which led to
2. I will only use every other day, which led to
3. I use everyday, but at least im not doing heroin, which led to
4. I know I use heroin, but at least I don't shoot it, which led to
5. I shoot heroin, at least it's cheaper than oxy!

Not saying you will turn out this way, but it's a good possibility.

i laughed reading this because this is EXACTLY what happened to me. but i thought id be saving money shooting heroin at the end but it just ended up me spending more on heroin in a day than i would oxy in a week when i was doing it. crazy stuff

 

[burn out]

I don't want to downplay how addictive opiates are, but I do wonder whether they might actually be less addictive if people were told that most people did not become addicted.

 

[JimJonesBallin]

I don't want to downplay how addictive opiates are, but I do wonder whether they might actually be less addictive if people were told that most people did not become addicted.

i doubt it because how many people identify themselves as the "average" user?

 

[whippa craka]

This is getting off-topic. Please help me with the question thats all I want to know

 

[Mora Fiend]

^ We did.

 

[mr. mudd]

Uncle Bill Burroughs said you needed to use for two weeks to get a real habit, but I disagree with him there. If you only use on the weekends there will be a definite hangover Monday. We had a poster who only used every second weekend and he/she was getting physical symptoms that were not full-blown but definitely worrisome for him/her.

If you truly want to avoid physcial withdrawal like the rational human being that you are, use it once a month and thank your lucky fucky stars you'll never go through physical withdrawal. good luck with that--I did it for about eight years before the reasons to use more started to multiply.

 

[NeighborhoodThreat]

^Uncle Bill had a serious habit (I'm assuming you're referencing the passage in Junky when he talks about how you have to use for two weeks straight with the needle in order to be "really" addicted). It was also quite apparent that he was addicted (at least in that book) before he got to that stage.

I believe he was talking about how you have to use for two weeks straight and then withdrawal cold turkey to get "serious" or "real" withdrawal symptoms.

 

[etard7007]

Avoiding physical addiction from recreational use of a drug can be achieved with other addictive drugs fairly easily. Alcohol, benzodiazepines, just to name a couple. I used to be the biggest benzo-head. I ate up alprazolam and clonazepam like candy on and off for 6 months and then daily for 6 more months and quit cold turkey with no withdrawal symptoms.

Opiates are a whole different ball park. They are the most damn addictive drug you can take! The rationalizing that goes on with opiates is just awful. Like somebody already said, you will go from twice a week and rationalize your way until you are a full blown daily user.

Trying to regulate opiate usage is like playing with fire. And falling in its trap does NOT make a person weak minded. Anyway, do what you want but I suggest not using twice a week that is already regular enough to start the psychological rationalization that it will be okay to take more.

I have chronic pain from serious nerve compression damage in my right arm. I was started on MS Contin, although after only two weeks I was switched to fentanyl patches and dilaudid for breakthrough pain. After 8 months of rationalization I managed to switch my meds around and am now a DAILY IV user of oxymorphone.

People don't ever want to listen to this, they think they are invincible. I did. And now I shoot up oxymorphone regularly. I didn't even listen to the warnings that once you go to the needle you will be chasing it your whole life. Well, fuck of course I didn't listen and of course I fell in love with it.

Just be smart and don't mess with opiates.

 

[whippa craka]

Im curious as to how people can be prescribed these things for weeks or a couple months at a time and doctors expect them to be fine, and usually are. Right now I am fairly confident in my ability to keep my usage to a mininum, I just want to know where that mininum needs to be so I suffer miniman consequences.

Rationalize it however you want, but you are weak minded if you force yourself to rationalize more usage. (Maybe not weak in regards to other people, but certainly to the all mighty opiate)

 

[ro0ga]

What you're doing right now is playing with fire...I think everyone who is an addict started out the same way you are. It always starts out, "oh, i'm going to ONLY do it these days, I won't let myself do it more". And in many cases it escalates, even in people who swear up and down they'd NEVER become addicts. While true, not everyone who does it becomes addicted, but the mere fact you like it enough to do it consistently is already the first step to becoming hooked. Your tolerance is going to go up, and you're going to start needing more than 80. Just be careful, there are some very strong minded people who end up hooked...it sneaks up on you and you don't even realize it. I've been there.

You might be able to use the way you are doing it for a while and not experience physical withdrawal, but the longer you play with fire, the higher your chances are of getting burned.

 

[Mora Fiend]

Im curious as to how people can be prescribed these things for weeks or a couple months at a time and doctors expect them to be fine, and usually are. Right now I am fairly confident in my ability to keep my usage to a mininum, I just want to know where that mininum needs to be so I suffer miniman consequences.

Rationalize it however you want, but you are weak minded if you force yourself to rationalize more usage. (Maybe not weak in regards to other people, but certainly to the all mighty opiate)

Almost every doctor will taper you down or prescribe other medications to combat physical withdrawl in higher end opiates. No doctor who prescribes these drugs would just stop you cold turkey, that's malpractice, and reeks of something Mengele would do.

Also, a 'strong-mind' isn't going to prevent physical dependence from prolonged opiate abuse. It's like saying that prolonged exposure to fire won't burn you, or only dipping your balls in acid twice a week won't eventually fry your scrotum.

I know the point you are trying to make, which is where is the defining line between your mind succumbing to wanting the effects the opiates make you feel and needing the effects of the opiates to not be sick. The real answer is, noone knows.