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Meth Vs Speed

So, to make sure I've got this right in my head - and removing any slang to confuse the situation - the possible methamphetamine "types" (for lack of a better word) which could possible be purchased are the two enantiomer, racemic and each being either a sale (HCl) or freebase?

L-Methamphetamine HCl
D-Methamphetamine HCl
D/L-Methamphetamine HCl

L-Methamphetamine freebase
D-Methamphetamine freebase
D/L-Methamphetamine freebase

(and then combinations of the freebase/salt but I would assume this would be highly uncommon)
 
tyrael said:
So, to make sure I've got this right in my head - and removing any slang to confuse the situation - the possible methamphetamine "types" (for lack of a better word) which could possible be purchased are the two enantiomer, racemic and each being either a sale (HCl) or freebase?

L-Methamphetamine HCl
D-Methamphetamine HCl
D/L-Methamphetamine HCl

L-Methamphetamine freebase
D-Methamphetamine freebase
D/L-Methamphetamine freebase

(and then combinations of the freebase/salt but I would assume this would be highly uncommon)
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i don't think you'll find much meth freebase on the market, its easier too work with as a salt

plus L-methamphetamine is really only seen in vicks inhalers or with D-meth in the racemic product from the p2p synthesis route...

theres no synth that meth cooks use thats selective for the levorotatory isomer unless they're experimenting with precursors other than ephedrine and in that case they shouldnt be selling it.
 
Understood. :) I knew one would be more common the another, more wanted to 1. get it straight in my head and 2. deal with more the chemical (as a posed to confusing slang).
 
MSM crystallises into long sharp shards whereas methamphetamine crystallises into chunky sqaure shaped crystals. However the shape of the crysals depends on how long and at what temperature you've left them to develop. Do an acid-base extraction on your stuff and you'll end up with very tiny, sparkly crystals that look like powder.

halfoz said:
this will respond a little to an acetone wash, much more so to an a/b re-x but that's a lot of work for a tiny amount of shit.
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OMG how could you say this without explaining how to do an acetone wash or acid base reaction 8) ;)
 
drop durgz in filter paper, pour anhydrous acetone over the top, remove durgz from filter paper and leave to dry, throw away acetone.


fuck me that was so hard, i need a rest, or maybe some meth mmm yeah meth will keep me going

oh wait this was already covered earlier in the thread:o
 
*............and for our next lesson, titstypedthis explains an acid-base reaction*

(Though take with a grain of salt considering the acetone wash instructions)

Ahh I love seeing people get edu-macated.
 
helps to freeze the acetone..

i'm just curious if there's any follow up from the pics poster on the quality of those shards? i woulda tested how "hard" the crystals were.. if they crushed softly under light pressure i'd a capsuled them rather than smoked. but i don't think there's been good shit in my part of the world in 6-7yrs.
 
Jakeperson said:
Don't think there's much south of the border of Australia..
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titstypedthis said:
huh?
theres shitloads of ice south of australia and a couple penguins

lucky bastard penguins:X
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hahahaha that took me a while to get but when I did, it actually made me 'lol'

OND43X said:
heres a better/clearer picture, sorry about quality as i took these off my mobile and the c**t of a thing has real trouble with closeups lol...

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i know its almost impossible to really know without testing and i know not to take the responses as if they are factual etc etc lol... But with all that in mind, from the pics above, what thoughts/ideas do BL'ers have on the crystal meth in pics, ie dextro, the shards are too smooth, anything lol
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That second picture does it a bit more justice... Stuff looks amazing but Ive learnt in the last few weeks that in the meth game, appearance means nothing but Im sure you had some very high quality stuff there :)
 
footscrazy said:
MSM crystallises into long sharp shards whereas methamphetamine crystallises into chunky sqaure shaped crystals. However the shape of the crysals depends on how long and at what temperature you've left them to develop. Do an acid-base extraction on your stuff and you'll end up with very tiny, sparkly crystals that look like powder.

OMG how could you say this without explaining how to do an acetone wash or acid base reaction 8) ;)
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thanks footscrazy and halfoz for that info on appearence of MSM crystals and meth crystals, i never knew that msm will generally create long sharp shards.
so does this pic look more like the 'rock' style meth crystals should be. it was taken recently too.
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My first lot of pics are hard to see properly cos of my shitty phone camera but the crystals were clear, with no bubbles and no noticeable cloudyness. main crystals were long not rock shapped but the edges were not sharp, they were perfectly smooth (ie looked like a piece of plastic). when heated the crystals would crackle and melt into a clear water like liquid, easily moving over bowel and when would re-crystalise almost instantly just like all the crystal i get. i took notice of residue in stem, it was mostly a white cloudy residue with faint sparkles when held near light.

I think this could be useful. people could post pics of what they have bought if they have any queries and have BL'ers give useful opinions like the ones posted above. As long as people realise it can only be an assumption not fact.
 
What were the effects like OND43X?

Got some very similar looking stuff recently but my friend that got it asked to 'borrow' it and he'd get me more later. Should have known better :P Haven't seen him since....but did find some money in my account the other day, which I'm assuming was from him. Must have been pretty good :\

Did it have a noticeable smell? and when you break it between a fingernail does it have a kind of clean 'snap' sound/feel?

I'm not a pro but usually found with msm, it goes very watery when smoked, is more soft, leaves residue more quickly, recrystallizes slower. Kind of 'spits' when you're smoking it. Doesn't leave a whole lot of vapour on the exhale.
 
To me OND43X that looks like good quality meth. Another thing I have noticed with meth crystals over msm crystals, is that meth crystals will usually be much more 3 dimensional, like those ones in the photo look, over msm crystals which are usually flat.
 
OND43X said:
thanks footscrazy and halfoz for that info on appearence of MSM crystals and meth crystals, i never knew that msm will generally create long sharp shards.
so does this pic look more like the 'rock' style meth crystals should be. it was taken recently too.
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My first lot of pics are hard to see properly cos of my shitty phone camera but the crystals were clear, with no bubbles and no noticeable cloudyness. main crystals were long not rock shapped but the edges were not sharp, they were perfectly smooth (ie looked like a piece of plastic). when heated the crystals would crackle and melt into a clear water like liquid, easily moving over bowel and when would re-crystalise almost instantly just like all the crystal i get. i took notice of residue in stem, it was mostly a white cloudy residue with faint sparkles when held near light.

I think this could be useful. people could post pics of what they have bought if they have any queries and have BL'ers give useful opinions like the ones posted above. As long as people realise it can only be an assumption not fact.
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that shit looks potent... howd it go? Btw, is that blue thing a lid from a pen? lol
 
Man, I just drooled all over my keyboard looking at those pics.

^ Does look like a pen lid to me. That would work so much better than using a cut straw to scoop your shit out of the baggy.
 
OND43X's pic looks a lot like the ice that was around in Adelaide earlier in the month. Big chunky rocks 1 - 2 points in size, very nice stuff.
 
titstypedthis said:
Anything "psuedo" based is meth.


psuedoephedrine is methamphetamine with an extra functional group which kills the high pretty much.

Your nanna makes meth/ ice/ shaba, whatever the fuck you call it, by removing this functional group.


occasionally you'll get some characters extracting dexies...

and occasionally you'll get the odd old school chemists cooking up regular amphet from odd ingredients just because they can..

but meth is so much easier and so much better its rare nowadays.
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Excuse my ignorance here and i don't know if this is breaking bored rules, is that why they add red phosphorus to kill that "extra functioning group" that may be in iodine? I doubt it even works like that im just trying to find a link i guess.
 
Most of the speed in Melbourne you cannot shoot, as it is adulterated and will make you quite ill.

I remember one time I got yellowish/brown speed in nice big rocks, was about medium strength, but no idea where the color came from (iodine?).
 
^^ While I don't doubt shooting meth/speed has negative health consequences I'm not sure what you mean by saying you can't shoot most Melbourne shit. Speed everywhere is adulterated unless you clean it yourself, and there's no specific adulterant in Melbourne that makes shooting it anymore dangerous than shooting anything is.

Phosphorus is used to reduce iodine into hydroiodic acid (HI).
 
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