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Bupe Suboxone/Buprenorphine FAQ & Megathread v3; 2010 - 2022

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Pegasus said:
^Well, that is your opinion and you're certainly entitled to it. However, I have helped many people get off bupe by using kratom for a few weeks. Fact is, you will most likely feel poorly for two weeks or so when discontinuing bupe, and kratom makes this period much easier. Also, chances are that bupe isn't even giving effects after taking daily for a period of time, and so what would be the point of staying on? It only gets more difficult to quit as time goes by.
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Exactly; what helps one person may not help another, and so on. :)
 
Kratom definitely helped me, minimized my withdrawal by a LOT. Did it prolong the withdrawal? Maybe, a little bit if at all. So what. But obviously what works for me certainly doesn't have to work for anyone else, and pretty much everyone i have talked to here on bluelight who has been through bupe withdrawal have all had pretty different experiences.
 
You don't need that much Suboxone

I know you've all probably heard the horror stories of doctors over-prescribing suboxone for those who can definitely stabilize at a much smaller does. This is perhaps discussed more extensively on drugs.com - anyhow, I wanted to share my experience with all of those out there struggling with opiate addiction..

I've recently come off between 100-250 mgs/day of oxycontin over a 10 month period by using around 9 mlgs of Suboxone throughout the course of 7 days.. I really didn't taper much either, with my last dose being around 2 mlgs.. The withdrawals I felt 3-4 days after my last Suboxone dose were uncomfortable but definitely manageable as they only lasted about 3 days .. I'm finally starting to appreciate all the little things I was completely oblivious to while in an opiate haze..

My point is that anyone with a similar habit whose interested in beating their addiction should steer clear of the Suboxone treatments encouraged by most Bupe doctors.. In fact, mine wanted me on a 100 day program - in which I scoffed at and achieved the same result from 9 mlgs on the black market.. Cheers.
 
StylishKidsInRiot said:
I know you've all probably heard the horror stories of doctors over-prescribing suboxone for those who can definitely stabilize at a much smaller does. This is perhaps discussed more extensively on drugs.com
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I doubt it! ;)

- anyhow, I wanted to share my experience with all of those out there struggling with opiate addiction..

I've recently come off between 100-250 mgs/day of oxycontin over a 10 month period by using around 9 mlgs of Suboxone throughout the course of 7 days.. I really didn't taper much either, with my last dose being around 2 mlgs.. The withdrawals I felt 3-4 days after my last Suboxone dose were uncomfortable but definitely manageable as they only lasted about 3 days .. I'm finally starting to appreciate all the little things I was completely oblivious to while in an opiate haze..

My point is that anyone with a similar habit whose interested in beating their addiction should steer clear of the Suboxone treatments encouraged by most Bupe doctors.. In fact, mine wanted me on a 100 day program - in which I scoffed at and achieved the same result from 9 mlgs on the black market.. Cheers.
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The difference here is that you were not trying to maintain with Suboxone. While most of us here agree that smaller doses are better, the length of time for which someone takes bupe is dependent on what they are trying to accomplish. Rapid detox and opiate maintenance are two different things entirely!
 
StylishKidsInRiot said:
I know you've all probably heard the horror stories of doctors over-prescribing suboxone for those who can definitely stabilize at a much smaller does. This is perhaps discussed more extensively on drugs.com - anyhow, I wanted to share my experience with all of those out there struggling with opiate addiction..

I've recently come off between 100-250 mgs/day of oxycontin over a 10 month period by using around 9 mlgs of Suboxone throughout the course of 7 days.. I really didn't taper much either, with my last dose being around 2 mlgs.. The withdrawals I felt 3-4 days after my last Suboxone dose were uncomfortable but definitely manageable as they only lasted about 3 days .. I'm finally starting to appreciate all the little things I was completely oblivious to while in an opiate haze..

My point is that anyone with a similar habit whose interested in beating their addiction should steer clear of the Suboxone treatments encouraged by most Bupe doctors.. In fact, mine wanted me on a 100 day program - in which I scoffed at and achieved the same result from 9 mlgs on the black market.. Cheers.
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I am not going to disagree with you; not everyone needs to be on Suboxone for months going on years. However, I know for a fact I do. I would have relapsed over, and over again, if I was only going to use Suboxone for a short time. I simply needed to be on a long term maintenance program. And within a year or two, I have forgotten all about cravings and heroin usage. :)

Without this duration of time on Suboxone I doubt it would have been a success for me.
 
Actually (I have no reference right now) there are studies that show that people are more likely to relaps if they only attend the Buprenorphine/Methadone program less than a year.

The most succesfull stories came from people who had been on their program for atleast a year before quiting.

I don't think it was a study done by any company that has ties to either Bupe or Methadone. I hope I can find it!
 
Very scared about upcoming Suboxone induction

On 4/17, I am scheduled to take my last dose of methadone forever:). On 4/20, I undergo my Suboxone induction. The thought of a full 48 hours with no methadone and no extraneous opiates (to avoid precipitated withdrawal) frightens me; the second day and night will be an absolute horror.
For those who have successfully transistioned: is there anything that I can do/use to ease the pain and symptoms of my upcoming withdrawal? What worked for you? I cannot obtain benzodiazepams.
 
Sweetsomniferum said:
On 4/17, I am scheduled to take my last dose of methadone forever:). On 4/20, I undergo my Suboxone induction. The thought of a full 48 hours with no methadone and no extraneous opiates (to avoid precipitated withdrawal) frightens me; the second day and night will be an absolute horror.
For those who have successfully transistioned: is there anything that I can do/use to ease the pain and symptoms of my upcoming withdrawal? What worked for you? I cannot obtain benzodiazepams.
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They are called benzodiazepines. ;)
 
Sweetsomniferum said:
On 4/17, I am scheduled to take my last dose of methadone forever:). On 4/20, I undergo my Suboxone induction. The thought of a full 48 hours with no methadone and no extraneous opiates (to avoid precipitated withdrawal) frightens me; the second day and night will be an absolute horror.
For those who have successfully transistioned: is there anything that I can do/use to ease the pain and symptoms of my upcoming withdrawal? What worked for you? I cannot obtain benzodiazepams.
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I was on MMT for 15 yrs and they tapered me quickly down to 40mg from 90 in 5 days. Then they waited about 24 hrs and fed benzos and clonodine in amounts enough to keep me in bed and sleeping for the time period. This lasted the next 2 1/2 days' Then I was induced me on 12 mg Subs relatively pain free. This was in a va hosp. Get some of the same and you'll be fine... a little discomfort, but nothing much. If you do it at home... keep someone with you to get you up and out of bed to take your BP every 4-6 hrs. Then go back to sleep. What ever it costs
 
Thank you for your responses. My clinic refused to give me clonidine due to some mumbo jumbo that, reduced to its essence, was "no". My BP is consistenly high, even when not in w/drawal. I do not take BP meds nor any drug other than methadone. I had intended to ask about benzodiazepINES;) but, after the ixnay on the clonidines, decided against looking like a drug-seeking fool (which I certainly am, I just didn't feel like looking like one). Without the good fortune of a supply of Ativan or Klonopin (Klonipin?), are there any meds that can help?
 
Posted this in the rectal bupe topic, but figured Id ask here as well. I feel that I get the most of my subs when I do rectal admin properly, which I did before and got the best result. But Im sure a lot of you also dont poop for days when on subs cuz its an opiate and thats what opiates do. So my question is, will I be wasting my sub if i do rectal admin. every morning because there may be back up in my bowels? Or does that not matter? I feel that it would work only when there isnt poop in there. I use 10ml of water with 1.5-3mg depending in the morning
 
Looking for a way in and have got lost. Urgent advice needed. I have a long standing H habit generally controlled, that is I have a good job, regular income, family etc and I can generally restrict my H intake to less than 0.5 gram a day smoked with the last smoke at ideally 1:00pm. Next smoke is 6:15am with WDs kicking in after a generally restful night. I am now far away from home in a place with no access to opiates. I had 8mg of suboxone yesterday after 19 hours after last ingestion of H. Another 8mgs at 12 today, 20 hrs after the first tablet. They are holding me but I do not like it. Will I feel WDs if I cease taking any more Suboxone? I fly back to UK on Thursday and would like to arrive back clean. It is Sunday 8pm here. I have another 16mgs of Suboxone but would prefer to leave them. Can I survive without. I have some light business to attend to here in the Orient.
 
I am just wondering if others have this experience n will it pass? I quit taking opiates about 20 days ago n began taking subs (.5 2x daily). It went well for a couple weeks n then I was off them for a few days due to unavailability. Got some more n started back up again but really feel like crap-pretty similar to wds-a little milder. I have tried not taking n of course have wds. Taking them is better than not, but I need to feel better than I do to really get back into life. I am depressed over this whole situation. Anyone with this experience n beyond please let me know if you felt better after continuing for awhile.
 
So I tried the alcohol with the sublingual this mornining. Not sure if it worked better or the same as it would, i think i may have used too much alcohol and the % per volume wasn't too high (only 18%). i think i used too much because my mouth was full of saliva and some of the alcohol and probably didnt absorb much and all went into that mixture that I had to swallow when i couldnt hold it anymore.

Anyone have advice of a way to start shitting normally so I can do rectal admin. more? I dont poop for like days so I never want to do it that way cuz im sure i got some build up
 
crystalserenity said:
I am just wondering if others have this experience n will it pass? I quit taking opiates about 20 days ago n began taking subs (.5 2x daily). It went well for a couple weeks n then I was off them for a few days due to unavailability. Got some more n started back up again but really feel like crap-pretty similar to wds-a little milder. I have tried not taking n of course have wds. Taking them is better than not, but I need to feel better than I do to really get back into life. I am depressed over this whole situation. Anyone with this experience n beyond please let me know if you felt better after continuing for awhile.
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In my experience, I began feeling better as time went on.

I'm not sure how to compare my experience to yours though.
 
So I've been on suboxone for 24 days now. I started only needing like 2mg or so in the begining and now im starting to use almost the 8mg im suppose to be taking a day. I don't want to be taking so much so quickly. I'd rather have to use the least amount, like 2mg, as possible each day.

I feel like throughout the day I need more so I do little lines throughout the day and usually by the ende of the day ive done almost or 8mg.

So whats the best way to stay with a low dose and get the most of it? I feel like a good amount of it is in my head and I keep doing more and think I need it, when I'd probably be fine just taking 2mg right?

So whats the best way to do this, I use it for craving and it helps me with depression as well, which is probably why I do more. Should I just take 2mg sublingually when i wake up, or snort it, or another way and do 2mg later? Or just force myself to take just 2mg or what? I do have 2 extra pills and I like to have extras and not use all of the prescription. So whats should I do to get the most out of it and stay at lower doses?
 
StylishKidsInRiot said:
My point is that anyone with a similar habit whose interested in beating their addiction should steer clear of the Suboxone treatments encouraged by most Bupe doctors.. In fact, mine wanted me on a 100 day program - in which I scoffed at and achieved the same result from 9 mlgs on the black market.. Cheers.
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Please don't pretend to know what's best for everyone who is "interested" in beating their addiction. The backgrounds of peoples' drug usage, their mental state, their motivations may be completely 180 degrees from you. I was hooked on every kind of opiate for six years because of chronic pain. What I realize NOW was that I was also using opiates as an antidepressant, antianxiety, mood elevator, stress release, creative crutch blah blah blah. My recovery is going on year THREE and I still am taking suboxone, my depressed mind reminds me of the blissful euphoria EVERY DAY. I still have cravings, I still don't have my emotions in order (things that should bring pleasure or happiness do nothing for me, I can't FEEL natural "high on life" dopamine rush) I successfully jacked my endorphins to irreparable degrees, and I'm still in pain, still depressed, still anxious, working through it with a detox doctor and a psychiatrist as a team.

One of my biggest hurdles was getting over attitudes like YOURS that imply a lack of sincerity in recovery, or a weakness if you maintain on suboxone. I crawled through hell to be a relatively happy functioning wife and mother, and if I have to take suboxone for the rest of my LIFE to keep it that way, I will, but it has nothing to do with my "interest level" in getting better.
 
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