Long-Term JWH (etc) Adverse Effects

[Ixchellian]

Because the synthetic cannabis blends are becoming popular, but are so new and basically untested, nobody knows what they (or the various herbs its used on) are going to do long term..... or how they'll effect things like anxiety disorders and whatnot.

This is what I've noticed so far in my case, after using a wide variety of synthetic cannabinoids for many months now.

- A tolerance is built far more rapidly than normal weed. It takes a week to accomplish what smoking pot every day for a month does, as far as tolerance goes.

- Smoking more while already high off of a JWH substance doesn't make me more stoned, but rather causes only a growing anxiety and bodily discomfort... almost like what one gets from drinking way too much coffee.

- Smoking daily for more than a week gives me headaches, especially if I don't wait before the previous high has completely worn off. They're the same kind of headaches I get from smoking too much weed in one sitting..... and that almost never happens.

- Smoking JWH blends before bed now gives me night sweats bad. I'll wake up halfway through the night and have to change my shirt. But its just my torso; my arms, legs, and head will be dry.

- There is no real way of knowing exactly what chemicals are being used on these herbal blends, and so far once I've smoked some that was far closer to a mild DMT high, than a cannabis one. That particular batch got thrown out quick.
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I'll add more as I notice them.

Synthetic cannabis is far more potent than most people can grasp, and it only seems to be getting more so.
For those who haven't tried it yet here.... be wary. Especially for those with anxiety or bi-polar issues.
And if anyone's running into problems, please list them here.

Please no life stories.... I understand that "Spice" has seriously affected some TDS peers, but I'd like to keep this down to specific adverse or "unusual" reaction reports........ either long or short term.

It also appears that bad reactions are definitely more common with JWH/etc and polydrug use of other RCs (research chems, phenylthylamines, triptamines, etc). I can smoke weed just fine while on LSD, but JWH with LSD is highly contraindicated IMO.

 

[villian]

It's a lot more fiendy then cannabis imo.

When I was smoking cannabis I could smoke it a couple times a week or whenever no problem. If I start smoking synthetics in the morning I'll end up doing it all day long.. if I don't start at all for the day its not a problem but once I start I don't want to stop.

I'm not using them right now but I was for a few months.. they generally make me considerably more anxious than cannabis. I also get headaches more frequently.

Not a big fan really.. the only reason I used them rather then cannabis is because I'm on probation. I just don't like the idea of using unstudied chemicals.

If people are going to do it I suggest making your own blends, because the strength between different brands and batches can vary tremendously and a synthetic cannabinoid overdose is not fun in the least bit.

 

[Ixchellian]

It's a lot more fiendy then cannabis imo

When I was smoking cannabis I could smoke it a couple times a week or whenever no problem. If I start smoking synthetics in the morning I'll end up doing it all day long.. if I don't start at all for the day its not a problem but once I start I don't want to stop.

Fiendy is a good way to put it, and is something I've noticed as well. Not that I fiend if I don't have it, but I can easily smoke it all day long..... plus some of the blends I use are yummy even without the chems.

I'm not using them right now but I was for a few months.. they generally make me considerably more anxious than cannabis. I also get headaches more frequently.

Not a big fan really.. the only reason I used them rather then cannabis is because I'm on probation. I just don't like the idea of using unstudied chemicals.

Headaches & Anxiety..... +2 of us then.

A little hash on top of a herbal smoke does mellow any immediate anxiety I get from JWH/RCS/etc, and smoothes out the come-up somewhat, so the transition isn't so jarring. If its one thing about synthetic cannabinoids. It's their "zowie" factor. One second I'm sober, and two tokes later I'm not... and am extremely high. For those not expecting it, the zowie can be unsettling at least.

The drug-test dodge of synthetic cannabis is handy, but I'd not be surprised if UA standards catch up soon.....

If people are going to do it I suggest making your own blends, because the strength between different brands and batches can vary tremendously and a synthetic cannabinoid overdose is not fun in the least bit.

Very much so, and much cheaper.

 

[Ixchellian]

progress note: significant cross-tolerance build between nat & synth cannabis. It's definitely a process of diminishing returns.
As in; after a week of sticking to small amounts of JWH/WIN64 herbal blends, I waited 24hrs for a sober baseline, then did a powerbomb with a slice of hash.

I should've been bombed out of my mind..... and ready to eat a whole deepdish Hawaiian pizza singlehanded.... yet I was far from hungry.
This is my main intent behind my pot use..... so I can not yak constantly and maybe even eat.
I should've also been high for at least a couple hours.... and yet the hash only lasted a little over an hour. Not satisfying in the least.
All of the synthetic cannabinoids to me it seems, are almost entirely lacking a munchy-factor.... and intensify the nervous nausea that's constantly in my stomach.

 

[Ixchellian]

note:
profuse sweating and restlessness when I run out of my herbal blends. This goes away the moment I smoke or vaporize another dose.

also; very vivid and bizarre dreams after cold-turkey cessation of normal daily dosage, along with intense night sweats.
sleep is hard to come by as well.... so along with the insomnia, I'm starting to notice a marked increase in anxiety & paranoia.

I'm not normally an anxious or paranoid person, and have never experienced either on plain cannabis.

also noticed that I've been getting incredibly stir-crazy & antsy, if I'm not on the move somewhere. I've always had the tendency to be nomadic, but my urge to be on the road has been excacerbated greatly since I've started smoking synthetic cannabinoids.

A recent experience really rattled me, which is rare.....

a few weekends ago, I went to my normal club haunt and it was fairly busy. I brought along my long-stem briar pipe, and enough herbal blend (mint, raspberry leaf, damiana, and marshmallow) to last for a good few hours.
After the first, having people walk behind me & thru my peripheral vision became extremely unsettling, and people standing behind me gave me the straight heebie-jeebies.
I stopped smoking my bowl; after an hour & a red-bull the high was gone, but the anxiety remained. The flashing lights, lasers, and smoke didn't help matters. Even though the music was very good (a mixture of hardcore industrial and darkwave), it's still stuff I used to listen to in very similar situations in the past.....
Everything combined to seriously disturb my calm. At one point I noticed someone very obviously giving me the stink-eye..... like I had stolen his shirt, fucked his sister.... or was an infidel.... that kinda look. Although my normal reaction to that sort of thing has been to just look the other way, this time I went into a mode where all I was waiting for was the slightest hostile gesture.... and then it would've been game on.
This is highly unusual for me, and has persisted even though I've cut way back on my cannabinoid consumption (say that fast lol)

Things that were never threatening before have become a lot more so, and it's really starting to bug me out.