A drug cocktail for a night out, non-toxic, non-taxing, and can fit into capsules.

[Seattle_Stranger]

As a happy and healthy and responsible user, I dabble in substances here and there for the fun of it just as any one else. I think about drugs often, I much prefer certain things over alcohol for many reasons, and have pondered about how cool it would be if I could throw together a cocktail of certain organic, safe and proven substances to provide me the effects I desire without having to take synthetic unknowns like E.

For example, take a mixture of kratom (or poppy pods!), small bit of mushrooms and some herbal stimulants like yerba mate and guarana. I feel like this combo would give me euphoria, anxiety relief, empathy, lots of stimulation, and some minor visuals/color enhancement/trails, and maybe music enhancement. This would be the perfect mixture for a night out. Also the simple fact of knowing that these are all natural and virtually non-toxic, knowing exactly what I'm getting because I prepared it myself, knowing there's no cuts, etc., would give me total peace of mind. Also, I don't feel like any of this combo in any reasonable amount would give any kind of hangover the next day.

Now, what if all this could be boiled down and fit into a couple capsules.

Anyone do this kind of thing?

 

[aberrant]

Kratom and pods can both be packed into 00 capsules but you would need a good amount of them. I used to just take a couple tablespoons of kratom down with water and that was horrible. Mushrooms in a pill? 4ACODMT, there you go. Wash all these down with some mate, or take a caffeine pill instead and wash it down with opiate-tea. Sounds good to me! I prefer pharms to kratom and pods but my first real night with kratom really impressed me... very strong for what I was expecting.

Good thread. Any cocktail I can think of that would serve a distinct personal purpose would not be so discreet. I really like snorting and smoking things.

 

[Seattle_Stranger]

That's the whole intention, discretion. Something I can conceal in capsules and share with my friends. It's the whole idea of being able to have this all together in one neat little package, not having to drink vile liquid, etc... Even if it requires taking a couple capsules, as long as it can be fit into a few of them.

Having read up on 4-aco-dmt, good concept but it's still a synthetic drug, a research chemical and while yes I've had nothing but awesome experiences with RC's, but it's still not what I'm going for here. I'm a one-with-the-earth kind of guy, so knowing that I'm under the influence of something that came straight from mother earth adds layers to my euphoria.

 

[shishigami]

If I was going to do the natural thing I would go with

a tincture of THC, shrooms, and maybe a small amount of datura (a very small amount).

From my experience 4-ACO-DMT is the same as shrooms, you just know the exact dose.

 

[rickolasnice]

Isn't 4-aco-dmt psilocin? (EDIT: No its not)

Fair enough it isn't extracted from mushrooms but what's the deal with it having to be naturally occuring?

There are ALOT of toxic naturally occuring chemicals and ALOT of safe synthetic, man made chemicals.. the whole Nature vs Man Made thing is bullshit.

 

[euphoricc]

so u wanna create some sort of herbal xtc ? x is great for social get togethers picking up girls shhhaaaaa-bammmmmm if ya kno wat i mean.

 

[highhooked]

Hmmm interestinggg

I want some. Good idea, I feel like the combo you gave seattle would be justt what id be looking for except id prolly take it down with a few shots and id be good to go!

Im sure there are ways to do this you just gotta be smart and have some type of equipment ha.

 

[telepathetic]

rather than a combo, mescaline sounds like exactly what your looking for. you could order some synthetic mescaline, or you could do an A/B extraction on p. torch. But i've also done the Isopropyl alcohol extraction and came out with tar that fit into 2 capsules.
empathetic, slight visuals (in low doses), stimulative, maybe you could mix some kratom or kava (something weak) if you've got an anxiety problem.

 

[double ewe]

i know it's kinda cheesy, but i get a great buzz from enough 5-hr energy, so i'd throw a hefty dose of b-vitamins in the mix

 

[Seattle_Stranger]

Interesting suggestions!

a tincture of THC

That's what I forgot to list. I actually have a bunch of capsules already filled with a THC tincture of sorts, and one of these things puts you on your ass like a brownie! I think some of that in the mix with the rest of the substances like kratom and shrooms, it would be bodylove!!!

I'm not particularly AGAINST synthetics, I would simply rather 100% organic for simple personal reasons. Mostly because I'd like to be able to eventually grow everything I need to make this in my own garden.

Optimally I'd love to get some ephedra in there too but that's not easy to obtain anymore. I can't imagine it being much better than kratom+caffeine anyway so I'm not missing it. Or am I? Comparative experiences?

Vitamins would be a good idea to get in there too because not only are vitamins just plain out good to take, but they probably potentiate some of substances.

Keep the ideas coming!! Once I get a little money to throw around I'll probably do some experimenting with this... Mostly everything I mentioned is within immediate arms reach already, I just need money!

 

[Seattle_Stranger]

rather than a combo, mescaline sounds like exactly what your looking for. you could order some synthetic mescaline, or you could do an A/B extraction on p. torch. But i've also done the Isopropyl alcohol extraction and came out with tar that fit into 2 capsules.
empathetic, slight visuals (in low doses), stimulative, maybe you could mix some kratom or kava (something weak) if you've got an anxiety problem.

I would LOVE some mescaline, but I never hear of it coming around (aside from some friends growing it, which takes over a decade...). As for synthetic version, wouldn't that basically be a 2C-x?

Woops, sorry doublepost.

 

[ATF]

i like all the ideas...
ive mixed pods, mushrooms, and caffeine 10 or so times (not really because I liked it but because I was kindof hooked on the pods and i would use caffeine to potentiate) .. and it can be fun .. the opiates seem to fight the mushrooms and vice versa ~ and I found myself feeling flat when I wanted to feel trippy, and having some depression during the trip, which was unusual.

I like the idea of the THC tincture, shrooms, and maybe try a Betel Nut (areca catechu) extract for stimulation. I find betel to be stimulating but not anxious, and doesn't seem to have a noticeable come-down. It also doesn't stimulate the heart like caffeine or most stims do, much gentler on the CNS.

 

[Seattle_Stranger]

Really? The opiates and mushrooms didn't synergise? This could be a major flaw in my evil plan...

I've read good reports on kratom+shrooms.

 

[ATF]

Thats just me ~ and I had some opiate dependency at the time and rarely got any euphoria from opiates. If you don't have much tolerance and aren't a habitual user, it may be a totally different situation.

 

[Seattle_Stranger]

So I guess the biggest question is does anyone have experience with grinding up mushrooms and boiling them down to where a decent dose could be fit into one or two capsules?

I've read about people making opium resin from poppy pods. That would work perfectly for this.

Lastly, does anyone see this as a bad idea?

 

[TheLostBoys]

This is an interesting thread......have you guys come up with a great & interesting combo/combos?

Also, I use to grind up mushrooms in a coffee grinder & the shrooms would become instant powder, then I would stick the powder in a jar of honey & let it sit in a dark place for about a month. Then I would use the honey for my tea, awesome............

 

[highhooked]

i know it's kinda cheesy, but i get a great buzz from enough 5-hr energy, so i'd throw a hefty dose of b-vitamins in the mix

Ha thats not cheesy man dont be afraid to say you get a buzz off something that not "hardcore".

Loads of b-vitamins is a good suggestion and i think wouldfit in quite well with the mix.

Yeaa make these capsules real.

 

[Seattle_Stranger]

I'm glad I'm not the only one who thinks this is a good idea!

Also, for the more experienced, what would be a suggested dosage of your average plain jane cubensis mushroom for nothing more than very light visuals but not enough to trip? I know with an organic substance like mushrooms dosage potency can vary, I know, I know, but I'm talking rough average. The idea would be to put small portions into several capsules so dosages can be adjusted without having to worry about taking too much and tripping out.

For example, if the dosage to get what I'm looking for is about 1g, I'd be sure to put .5g, maybe even .33g in each capsule so the user can take as little or as much as they want while still having the convenience of capsules.

Has anyone mixed kanna with mushrooms? Experiences? What about yohimbe and mushrooms? I hear yohimbe and kanna is a toxic combo, but I don't know how each would be with mushrooms and if they'd compliment the experience. I feel like some kanna would add to the whole serotonin/empathy feel. I also know that yohimbe is a mild MAOI and could severely potentiate mushrooms. I wonder if that would be a safe game to play in low dosages, because if the yohimbe potentiates it, I could use an extremely small amount of mushrooms to get the effects I'm looking for. I don't know if that's safe to do though, especially if I'm throwing in other substances too.

Keep the ideas coming! What other organic psychoactives would be a good additive for this goal experience?

The biggest question, though, which is the actual point of the whole thread, is any of this a dangerous combo?

 

[ATF]

the other day i had one of those 'xtreme' energy drinks, which has yohimbe alkaloids in it (along with 5HTP, DMEA, and couple other things), along with some mushrooms ~ I did have a pretty quick come-up, but nothing very eventful after that, felt ..again.. like the mushrooms and the energy drink were fighting each other. I only ate maybe a half 8th or so of dried..

I think most of what you've discussed is relatively safe (assuming you don't have any acute health problems or sensitivities) .. do your research though ~

 

[ATF]

OH!! How could I have forgot Mucuna! Check out Mucuna Pruriens ... I was able to find some in supplement form at a nearby co-op, and its pretty interesting stuff... stimulates dopamine ... here's some info from the wiki:

Traditionally, M. pruriens has been used as an effective aphrodisiac [4][5] It is still used to increase libido in both men and women due to its dopamine inducing properties and in Ayurvedic medicine it is said to increase sperm count. Dopamine has a profound influence on sexual function.[1][6][7] Use of Mucuna pruriens is well documented in Siddha medicine for a host of uses.[8]
M.pruriens seeds have also been found to have antidepressant properties in cases of depressive neurosis when consumed.[12] and formulations of the seed powder have shown promise in the management and treatment of Parkinson disease [13]
Dried leaves of M.pruriens are sometimes smoked.[1] M.pruriens has also recently become popular among lucid dreaming enthusiasts: when combined with other supplements it stimulates the cholinergic system.

PHARMACOLOGY

M.pruriens seeds contain high concentrations of levodopa, a direct precursor of the neurotransmitter dopamine. It has long been used in traditional Ayurvedic Indian medicine for diseases including Parkinson's Disease.[17][18][19] In large amounts (e.g. 30 g dose) it has been shown to be as effective as pure levodopa/carbidopa in the treatment of Parkinson's Disease, but no data on long-term efficacy and tolerability is available.[20]
In addition to levodopa, it also contains serotonin (5-HT), 5-HTP, nicotine, N,N-DMT (DMT), bufotenine, and 5-MeO-DMT. As such, it could potentially have psychedelic effects, and it has purportedly been used in ayahuasca preparations.[21]
The mature seeds of the plant contain about 3.1-6.1% L-DOPA,[14] with trace amounts of 5-hydroxytryptamine (serotonin), nicotine, DMT-n-oxide, bufotenine, 5-MeO-DMT-n-oxide, and beta-carboline.[22] One study using 36 samples of the seeds found no tryptamines present in them.[23]
The leaves contain about 0.5% L-DOPA, 0.006% dimethyltryptamine (DMT), 0.0025% 5-MeO-DMT and 0.003% DMT n-oxide.[24