Bupe Suboxone/Buprenorphine FAQ & Megathread v3; 2010 - 2022

[Captain.Heroin]

so, i got my regular script from my doctor for my suboxone. i always get tablets. this time he wrote film. so i called him up, and he said they are discontinuing the tablets and he wanted me to get used to the film.
So i called the pharmacist, they said they had tablets in stock but they were being phased out
So i called the drug company AND insurance company, and they said the same (what a shocker).

i am wondering if this is just in NY or all over..

bye bye tablets (even tho i got a nice stock..)

but it sucks greatly because i cant divide a strip like i can a tablet. its just not possible.. i mean its possible, but its more diffucult and you have to leave half a strip out, which is a pain in the ass and could get lost, wind up somewhere you dont want it to be (IE: a pets stomach, your food, etc lol). So i find it kinda f'd up that i cant get my tablets anymore.. i dont mind the strips, but i wish they were square for an even division..

i usually take 4-6 mg a day.. prescribed 14 due to insurance bullshit. (im running out by the way, probably in another month, glad i lied for extra subs from the beginning..)

another thing,i find that the strips become far less potent over time where as a tablet can last for years. when i opened my OLD thing of sub strips, they were cracking all over the place.

There are generic manufacturers for Subutex; these should not be phased out for many reasons.

Get this instead of the sublingual film strips from your doctor.

Also, you can fax your prescription to a domestic online pharmacy, it is a legitimate prescription after all.

Quick question, I'm on suboxone and I'm trying my best to stay completely clean from EVERYTHING. and its been going good, had urges to do xanax and smoke but i haven't and I don't plan to. I got xanax cuz i thut i was going to run out of klonopin, but i got valium today from my phsyc cause i want to taper off benzos, so i have like 7 bars but im resisiting and not even doing them .

ANYWAYS my question is suboxone definitely is helping me a lot in various aspects, mostly urges and not doing drugs. But is it bad that I snort my suboxone when i take it? In the morning sometimes i take some of it under my tongue, but i dont take it all in the morning like the doctor said, because i dont need 8mg at once or a day, so i just do it gradually throughout the day. Is it bad that i use this method of administration over sublingually?

In my opinion i dont think so because it had better bio-avalibility, but besides the damage im doing to my nose, is it wrong or bad to take it this way? If so why, if not, then why not? Just a question I thought was a good one.

Thanks and goodluck to everyone staying clean and taking the step forward getting on suboxone. And to those unable to stay clean, try suboxone and see how it works for you!

The inactive ingredients probably aren't all that awesome for your nasal passages, however, you can micron filter a solution in order to fill up a nasal spray pump, so you can use it nasally and eliminate most of the inactive ingredients.

 

[i are spectre]

how i got off suboxone after 2 years of daily use:

switch to strips, taper to 1mg twice a day. wake up, take 30mg of methadone instead. it covered up the worst of the bupe wd. nothing more than a little sweat, restless leg sometimes. last year i got off benzos, now suboxone. freedom.

 

[Captain.Heroin]

how i got off suboxone after 2 years of daily use:

switch to strips, taper to 1mg twice a day. wake up, take 30mg of methadone instead. it covered up the worst of the bupe wd. nothing more than a little sweat, restless leg sometimes. last year i got off benzos, now suboxone. freedom.

Congratulations!

I am glad to hear you got off the benzos first, that is probably the easier way to go about it.

Which one was harder for you? Benzos would probably be harder for most people, but I don't know how "into" benzos you were, or whatever.

Nonetheless that is quite a feat and I am very happy for you! %)

 

[i are spectre]

i want to point out the 30mg dose can be hefty for people who do not have tolerance to opiates and their relatives. although, someone who is trying to get off suboxone is more than likely going to have a high tolerance, but just in case for those who may not, 30mg can be a hefty dose.

i have used this routine many times. with the benzos, i was using alprazolam daily. i switched to clonazepam and covered up the alprazolam wd. same with bupe, take a decent methadone dose to cover up the suboxone wd (at least the worst of it). i feel like im cheating and withdrawal should set in, but im at a week now of absolutely zero buprenorphine.

tramadol has been helping a lot, too. honestly though, i think the benzos were easier to get off. the withdrawal was awful, especially when i tried to see what a cold turkey xanax episode would be like, oh my god is all i have to say.

switching to the strips was a huge step, snorting the pills was too much of a rush, and would lead me into a crappy feeling the next morning. must be faster acting/faster elimination nasally.

 

[kanyeknievel]

There are generic manufacturers for Subutex; these should not be phased out for many reasons.

Get this instead of the sublingual film strips from your doctor.

Also, you can fax your prescription to a domestic online pharmacy, it is a legitimate prescription after all.



The inactive ingredients probably aren't all that awesome for your nasal passages, however, you can micron filter a solution in order to fill up a nasal spray pump, so you can use it nasally and eliminate most of the inactive ingredients.

How do I do this micron filter thingy? I do hate when I do too much in a nostril and a get a orange trip (yuck). But is it wrong for me to take it this way, when im prescribed to take it sublingually? I just think if the BA is better this way, why waste more by doing it sublingually

 

[bwanajzj]

My 1st blog post about bupe 'n' benzos

Hey all!

Long time no speak or hear, the reason can be understood by reading following blog (my FIRST blog entry!!! Thansks no n3o* who recommended I blog due to a given set of circumstances...)

http://www.bluelight.ru/vb/blog.php?b=3894

Reason I post here, is beacause it is about mixing Buprenorphine, other opiates and Benzodiazepines together, with no prescribed dosing schedule (escept for ORT with Subutex).

Please read and comment the blog post. NOTE: My blog post is still under revision.

 

[infamousryan]

^I agree with you that the film is a bit inferior as far as getting the absolute most out of it, but if it is what you have available you will get better at using it effectively.

Saline nasal spray works very well for delivering the strips nasally, IMO. Sublingually, the film seems to be superior for most, especially those that have trouble with salivating while waiting for the Suboxone to dissolve (it is a very big pill!)

i find with drymouth you get the absolute most out of it, it takes a bit longer however, so i like to lay down, and then wake up.. and honestly, every time i do this, i get -so-high- not that i try to. But the strip sitting there on a non-salivating gland, will either make you salivate eventually, and the absorbtion rate is slower thus you get higher... there has been research that bupe in small doses gets you higher, but.. try this, i hate doing it because it messes with my sleeping schedule, but, it really does get you absolutely positively high. i do not know why.. (ive been taking 32mg when i started sub 4 years ago, i only take 2-6mg a day now. this wouldnt work if your dose is super high)

oh, and i refuse to make a saline spray, or sniff a piece of candy drug listerine..suboxone.

its pointless IMO as i think that sublingual gets you higher, what i was getting at, was the strips are harder to break down past 4 or 2 mg. considering theyre fucking rectangle!!

There are generic manufacturers for Subutex; these should not be phased out for many reasons.

i dont take subutex, and i called the doctor, the company, and my insurance company to make sure theyre getting phased out. in no way would i want to stay on "strips". but theyre getting rid of tablets. where i live anyways. the pharmist, insurance company, and the company that makes the pills all says they are phasing out the tablets and they will be discontinued. my doctor will also not prescribe subutex. and i love my doctor. there arent many doctors around like him where i can just go in and grab my meds and walk out in 5 minutes and not have to bullshit with him every single time. it gets old. i dont need to talk about drugs. or my family. because i am happy. just not with strips......

 

[Pegasus]

^Many people prefer the effects nasally... the bioavailability figures and absorption rate of nasal vs sublingual administration suggest that nasal administration would be more effective for most. Of course, everyone has their own opinion and you're entitled to yours. The saline spray idea is solid though, but I guess not for everyone!

 

[Jabberwocky]

Even if you count it that way, 4mg is no ceiling. When I took buprenorphine sublingually, I definitely felt the difference between 16mg and 24mg.

I have a question regarding the subjective differences you experienced from 16mg sublingual and 24mg sublingual?

Did the 24mg of buprenorphine add to a better body / mind feeling, or even less opiate craving due to satiation?

 

[cire113]

Its sad my doc wont prescribe me straight Subutex either........

i mentioned it and it wasnt even up for discussion he just cut me off...

he said there is "no reason at all to be taking that"

obviouly all these stuipd docs still think the nalaxone does something.. ughh

The films are way better than tablets anyways...... easier to carry, easier to break into specific doses, easier to take, stronger....

still taste like shit though

 

[BHannon24]

Hello idk where this goes but i think its the right place from my understandings. so far less is more with sub,
But anyhow i really wanna get clean now and so i just got on bupe last wednesday
I have been into opiates now for about 9 months after doing two months in rehab for my oxy addiction and i am sick of looking for shit and the whole thing in general so i am glad i got on the bupe but i have been throwin in a kpin the last few days becasuse idk i just felt i needed more but i am now worried about my UA comin up wednesdy and i also just smoked a bud cause i just done sleep well but thats not here or there but ya the k pin has helped i dont get high but it helps the symptoms i am having i am new here and just i feel bad that i used the benzo's and bud so i just wanted to vent about my bupe
i have been taking about 2 mgs's a day or so maybe less just to get by but idk really what my question is here cause i am tired and about to go to bed so i will edit it in the morning where i was going with it sorry guys

 

[Herbal~Jah]

hey everyone, I got a question......... A little background info: I'm new to suboxone treatment. (got them off the streets for years, but this is the first time I've gone official through a doctor) I've been on 8mg a day for three weeks now.

The sexual side effects are shitty, but what is really killing me is the constipation! About 5 days in I couldn't take it anymore so I tapered down to a point where I took nothing for 2 days JUST so I could take a shit. This was after I tried prune juice, miralax, loads of water, exercise, high fiber diet, played Seal and Enya cds and lit candles in the bathroom, etc, etc.

I've decided that I cannot take bupe everyday and live like this- I just can't do it. So my plan is to take a much smaller daily dose than my doc told me to take (4mg a day instead of 8mg, the full pill is too much anyways), taper down to 2mg, then take NOTHING a couple days out of the week so I can have myself a nice BM.

So what I have in mind for a typical week is something like this: Sun-4mg, Mon-4mg, Tues-2mg, Wed-nothing, Thurs-nothing, Fri-2mg, Sat-4mg

Is anyone into a routine where they don't take bupe every single day, but they are still prescribed the stuff by a doctor? When I go into to see my doc should I keep these ideas to myself and let him think that I'm on schedule and taking the full pill everyday?

8mgs IS WAY TOO MUCH!!! Seriously you should try taking 2mgs a day, I bet you 100 bucks you will feel much better... Maybe try like 1mg in the morning and 1mg in the late afternoon if 2mgs in the morning doesn't hold u all day...

 

[bwanajzj]

2nd time IV'ing Buprenorphine... EVER!

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¡Hola compadres!
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Introduction
As well as starting a blog, I also tried IV'ing my Buprenorphine (Temgesic 0.4's and 0.2's), late afternoon yesterday, and again today... read about it in the blog...
I have some curious questions and pondering points that I need clarification on, but first a little background info.

My gear:
1.6 mg Buprenorphine (Temgesic tablets, 3 x 0.4 mg and 2 x 0.2 mg)

Sealed kit (Kit A) containing:
-needle with cap & 2 ml syringe
-alcohol swab
-25 ml cup and a cotton piece that fills about half the cup uncompressed
-disposable vile of 1.5 ml sterile saline H20 (0,9% NaCl)

Stericup set (Kit B) containing: --- (genius, basic necessities packed sterile and the pack is no bigger than 2x3')
-Mixing cup with cool orange handle
-Absorption pads for cleaning blood after shot
-Sterifilt (10 micron filter - neatly fits onto syringe)

Figure 1 Picture of a Sterifilt solo lying beside the Stericup, and one with a syringe attached, slurping up 'goodies' from the Stericup.

Method
1. So basically I crush the pills in the 25ml cup (from Kit A)
2. Put in the H20 and stir with the plunger end of a sterile syringe until I have a thin milky solution without any visible suspended solids; I used 3 ml H20, because about 1/3 of the volume disappears when filtering through the cotton in the 25 ml cup (noticed this yesterday and ended up using more pills and more water...)
3. I slowly squirt the solution into the Stericup
4. I use the Sterifilt to suck up the solution into a new syringe (I guess I could use the same one all the way through, so long as sterility is maintained, but I'm being extra safe since I'm a complete newbie to IV'ing)
5. I remove the filter, and quickly stick on the capped needle. Any air, I remove right before shooting.

Results
What I'm left with is a syringe hopefully containing as much Buprenorphine as possible and as little lactose and other stuff. The solution I get is clear, and usually only about 2/3 of the original volume solution actually comes through after cotton and Sterifilt filtering.

With 3 ml of H20 0,9% NaCl and 1.6 mg worth of Bupe in Temgesic sublingual tabs, I get almost precisely 2 ml of solution, perfect for the 2 ml syringe (although this makes it a little harder to pull back and check for blood in terms of making sure that I hit the highway and that I am in the right lane).

Anyways, I had to shoot 4 different places, different amounts at each point, getting shakier and shakier as it all went on and wrong... Horrible shooting.... after only my second IV attempt ever, I think it is relatively well done, but damn, my arms look like I've shot 6 times today already (thus, healing time, not IV'ing again for a while); missed first shot by a tiny amount, and I think I subcutaneously injected about 0.1 ml in my right arm, then about 0.4 ml in medial cubital vein in my right arm, and about 0.5 ml in brachial vein in my left arm, and the final shot in the cephalic vein in my left arm.

Very shortly after I got that adrenaline, uncomfortable sweaty feeling which led me to at least dial in the emergency number on the phone, so all I'd have to do was press the green call button and then move to somewhere around people and ask for help if anything went wrong... But I knew it was just the adrenaline, and of course the drug taking effect, so I was patient, and guess what, it's passed anyways.

Discussion & conclusion/questions
Now I'm just sitting sucking out whatever Bupe might be left in the cotton filter, hoping that I have not wasted my time trying IV (yesterday I really enjoyed the effects, but mostly the thrill of injecting)... Anyways, with all this in and out business, must've fucked up the needle tip, and probably damaged some places in and around my veins that requires some recovery time.

-What are the recovery times for the most used veins for IV? Do they ever regenerate the damaged vein wall and so forth?
I know this has been answered somewhere on BL, and there are actually plenty diagrams available on the net, describing what effect needles have on veins, but in terms of recovery time and vein integrity, I couldn't find anything easily via Google or the BL search (btw... I think that the search engine on BL sucks... so please, anyone who can refer me to a post about BL search functionality, tips and tricks, and FAQ, please say so)

-Is a good Buprenorphine H20 solution supposed to be clear?
@ Cap'n H You IV Bupreonorphine a lot, can you sum up some info that clarifies my questions about vein recovery and solution colour? No need to make an immense effort, just seems like an experienced guy like you is the right guy to ask.

-Is there anything but lactose and buprenorphine in both Temgesic and Subutex?
Although some threads here on BL list all sorts of ingredients, the local medical guides around here, claim lactose to be the only other ingredient...

This post is prone to some editing, when I get around to it, but for the time being, I think I got things covered, now I just need some answers...

 

[freakxfrolic@yahoo]

an old reply ....

Do you smoke cigarettes? If so, were you smoking a cigarette when you were preparing the shot?

Smoking tobacco around the area you are preparing a shot can be disastrous; tobacco ash can cause a dirty hit, which is apparently similar to what you experienced (I have never had a dirty hit).

When was the last time you used a full agonist opiate, respective to the time you IV'd the film strip? [/QUOTE]

im not sure.. i wasnt smoking at the time.. and ws off opiates for at least 2 weeks.. so it was no interaction.. i have been on the subs strips for 40 some days now : ) .. havent shot sence that 1 time i got sick .. i dont think it was the ash i think it was some thingin the strips to make them not easy to inject.. )obviously why would they make th=hem strips .. ) but i thought fgrom reading this people said they prepares shots and it was of.. i later found no one had actually ivd it.. lol so my dumb ass preped it like normal.. ut shot fine then ,.. bam sick..

 

[Captain.Heroin]

i dont take subutex, and i called the doctor, the company, and my insurance company to make sure theyre getting phased out. in no way would i want to stay on "strips". but theyre getting rid of tablets. where i live anyways. the pharmist, insurance company, and the company that makes the pills all says they are phasing out the tablets and they will be discontinued. my doctor will also not prescribe subutex. and i love my doctor. there arent many doctors around like him where i can just go in and grab my meds and walk out in 5 minutes and not have to bullshit with him every single time. it gets old. i dont need to talk about drugs. or my family. because i am happy. just not with strips......

If you don't want to try to find another doctor who can offer Subutex that's fine, but I used to have a doctor I only saw for 5 minutes at a time.

I would have rather found the better doctor to be honest.

Its sad my doc wont prescribe me straight Subutex either........

i mentioned it and it wasnt even up for discussion he just cut me off...

he said there is "no reason at all to be taking that"

obviouly all these stuipd docs still think the nalaxone does something.. ughh

The films are way better than tablets anyways...... easier to carry, easier to break into specific doses, easier to take, stronger....

still taste like shit though

"Ugh" is exactly how I feel about those stupid doctors.

Subutex is the same as Suboxone in every way possible, the only difference is the ingredients and the taste obviously.

Suboxone actually encouraged me to start IVing buprenorphine. I am pretty sure the taste is what caused me to vomit perpetually when taking it. I'm pretty sure Subutex, without that disgusting flavor, would be more tolerable for sublingual use.

And yet the doctors have this perverted idea the naloxone is going to stop me from IVing bupe? Nope, no way man.

What are the recovery times for the most used veins for IV? Do they every regenerate the damaged vein wall and so forth?

It depends on 1) the gauge of the needle, 2) the quality of the needle, 3) technique.

The gauge matters because the larger gauges take out more vein with one puncture. I know this to be true because I have had an IV medically put in me one time recently. It took 1 month + to heal.

The quality matters as worse quality needles are not going to be as smooth, the needle tip may already be dulled or will dull quickly, and this renders more vein wall being removed with each puncture.

Technique matters because knowing how to get it in with one jab is the best. Having to put it in, then trying a 2nd or 3rd angle, can make the needle tip dull and it will take out more vein wall than normal.

With my sort of use, I can have the site heal within a matter of 3 to 5 days. (Reminds you of shipping times, 3 to 5 business days right? hahaha) - this is with 31G, quality needle tips and great technique.

Is a good Buprenorphine H20 solution supposed to be clear?

Yes but with Suboxone it will not be clear, it'll be orange. With Subutex, it WILL be clear. This is after micron filtering with a 0.22um layer.

Is there anything but lactose and buprenorphine in both Temgesic and Subutex?

Yes, whatever thing said lactose is the only ingredient, was lying.

Corn starch is the finest particle in Subutex, and is also likely to be in temgesic. I should have included the latter in Inactive Ingredients A to Z.

Each tablet also contains lactose, mannitol, cornstarch, povidone K30, citric acid, sodium citrate and magnesium stearate.

Now that I double check, temgesic isn't on the list, you'd have to google for the list.

Look at post #2 in that thread, it will describe the particle size and solubility for each inactive ingredient.

When corn starch is in water, it will swell to the size where a 0.22um micron filter will remove it.

Do you smoke cigarettes? If so, were you smoking a cigarette when you were preparing the shot?

Smoking tobacco around the area you are preparing a shot can be disastrous; tobacco ash can cause a dirty hit, which is apparently similar to what you experienced (I have never had a dirty hit).

When was the last time you used a full agonist opiate, respective to the time you IV'd the film strip?

im not sure.. i wasnt smoking at the time.. and ws off opiates for at least 2 weeks.. so it was no interaction.. i have been on the subs strips for 40 some days now : ) .. havent shot sence that 1 time i got sick .. i dont think it was the ash i think it was some thingin the strips to make them not easy to inject.. )obviously why would they make th=hem strips .. ) but i thought fgrom reading this people said they prepares shots and it was of.. i later found no one had actually ivd it.. lol so my dumb ass preped it like normal.. ut shot fine then ,.. bam sick..[/QUOTE]

People have already IV'd the strips though. Talk to people on here, they'll tell you.

I just have only used tablets.

If I somehow acquire a strip or a few strips, I'll test out how they filter and what the solution is like for IV use. I just haven't come across any yet.

 

[bwanajzj]

It depends on 1) the gauge of the needle, 2) the quality of the needle, 3) technique.

With my sort of use, I can have the site heal within a matter of 3 to 5 days. (Reminds you of shipping times, 3 to 5 business days right? hahaha) - this is with 31G, quality needle tips and great technique.

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Subutex (buprenorphine hcl tablets)

Each tablet also contains lactose, mannitol, cornstarch, povidone K30, citric acid, sodium citrate and magnesium stearate.

Thanks for the response. I use 25G needles, made in Europe by Terumo®, so I assume the quality is very high. The thing that needs working on is the technique, but I probably won't IV enough ever to get a solid technique (probably just a technique sufficient for emergencies).

I assume Temgesic® contain the same ingredients as Subutex®, I haven't gotten it confirmed yet, but something tells me that the formula for making an effective pill with Buprenorphine in it that doesn't crumble to pieces by the slightest touch is a generic recipe, and that all companies make them the same, just different shapes and sizes and dosages... And neither Temgesic® or Subutex® are coated, so it's definitely a matter of binding agents and so forth. So with that said, I would obviously like to get rid of all the starch and so on...

I am not planning to IV more, but it might happen a time or two again for experience sake, before I come clean, as my tapering scheme is hitting 0 mg bupe soon.

So if I only IV a couple of times, using cotton first and then refilter using a 10 micron filter tip, don't you think I'll survive in the long run? I mean you hear about people just crushing up pills, dissolving them, and banging them, no filter, nothing...maybe a cigarette filter, but nada mas nada menos. Of course they get fucked up in the long run, but with such minimal IV use as I am going through, won't I be fine with the process I described? I will however try get a bunch of the 'wheel' micron filters for the stash...

Considering that the solutions I have been injecting have been clear, at least I'm a little on the safe side there. And I'm pretty sure, based on the effects I feel, that there was some Bupe in the solution, and that I did hit the veins... (Maybe you could describe how it feels the first couple of hours, in a few sentences... as in how you know that it is coming on, because when stabilized on bupe, it's hard to feel a 'rush').

I am probably looking at 8-12 shipping days, with my guage and technique... but I feel no pain at the injections sites (IV'd two times, and I already have 5 track marks on my arms....Hope I remember the long-sleeved t-shirt for my visit to the clinic tomorrow...lol..... It's also that adrenaline rush that comes about the first time doing IV, that made me all shaky and inconsistent which made it hard to shoot straight).

 

[bwanajzj]

^Just confirmed that Temgesic contain exactly the same ingredients as Subutex.

http://www.medicines.org.uk/emc/medicine/1876/SPC/Temgesic+200+microgram+Sublingual+tablets/#EXCIPIENTS

 

[Captain.Heroin]

Thanks for the response. I use 25G needles, made in Europe by Terumo®, so I assume the quality is very high. The thing that needs working on is the technique, but I probably won't IV enough ever to get a solid technique (probably just a technique sufficient for emergencies).

I would suggest, at the largest, a 27G. Most people don't see the need to go larger than a 27G for IV drug use.

Even with just minimal injections your technique will improve. I would just avoid using 25G needles because even for IM administration they are too large for my liking.

Terumo are the best, I just cannot find a 31G version of a Terumo without needing some special federal authorization code which I have no idea how to get...

I have only found 2 sources for Terumo 31G needles, the one gave me a whole bunch of horse shit needing some authorization code from the government, and the other is charging way too much (around $40 per 100 ct.) so I don't know why I would fuck around with something that expensive when BD brand here are < $30 per 100 ct.

I am not planning to IV more, but it might happen a time or two again for experience sake, before I come clean, as my tapering scheme is hitting 0 mg bupe soon.

So if I only IV a couple of times, using cotton first and then refilter using a 10 micron filter tip, don't you think I'll survive in the long run? I mean you hear about people just crushing up pills, dissolving them, and banging them, no filter, nothing...maybe a cigarette filter, but nada mas nada menos. Of course they get fucked up in the long run, but with such minimal IV use as I am going through, won't I be fine with the process I described? I will however try get a bunch of the 'wheel' micron filters for the stash...

Yeah if you only do it a few times you'll be fine. I went a long time (1 year or longer?) injecting Suboxone without really even filtering with a cotton so... yeah you'll live. I can't say what damage I have done to myself because I am not that aware of what I should be even looking for in terms of damage.

Just be aware that it only takes once to miss a shot and have an abscess. There are obviously lots of different influences on why some people will get an abscess and others won't.

Considering that the solutions I have been injecting have been clear, at least I'm a little on the safe side there. And I'm pretty sure, based on the effects I feel, that there was some Bupe in the solution, and that I did hit the veins... (Maybe you could describe how it feels the first couple of hours, in a few sentences... as in how you know that it is coming on, because when stabilized on bupe, it's hard to feel a 'rush').

Buprenorphine obviously is in the solution.

I sometimes "rush" off of buprenorphine but you are correct it's not that easy to identify as one.

I am probably looking at 8-12 shipping days, with my guage and technique... but I feel no pain at the injections sites (IV'd two times, and I already have 5 track marks on my arms....Hope I remember the long-sleeved t-shirt for my visit to the clinic tomorrow...lol..... It's also that adrenaline rush that comes about the first time doing IV, that made me all shaky and inconsistent which made it hard to shoot straight).

I would guess so.

Also, another way to make sure that you don't have track marks is to...

1) apply a small amount of triple antibiotic ointment a few hours after your last shot of the day. you only need to do this 1 time per day.

2) immediately put clean tissue paper on the site and hold with minimal pressure - enough so that it encourages the blood to clot, but not too much pressure - this prevents it from clotting IME.

Not doing this will leave some blood on your skin, it'll harden, and eventually stain the skin . This encourage red dots to form in a line down your vein and doing this over and over are what form very bad scar tissue and "track marks".

You can still have scar tissue and "track marks" even with doing this - however they won't be stained red and they'll blend in with your non scarred tissue more.

I also believe that the scar tissue is proportional to the gauge of the needle.

If you just inject in one part of your body once, I don't think there will be sar tissue. The more often you do this in a short amount of time, and scar tissue begins to build up and it takes almost forever to go away once it is there.

However it does heal and it blends in well. I once asked someone who was a ex-heroin user (I was really young at the time, not even 18 years of age, and I was working at a place where this person was my co-worker, this was before I had even really begun using anything on a daily basis, and had never touched heroin) about it and they talked about how they were IVing for 6 years and they showed me their veins and pointed out their track marks and I swear to god I didn't see anything different or off about it.

They had contracted Hep C so they obviously were sharing used needles (they know this is how they got it) and so they weren't doing everything they could to help themselves out, but as the years go on, even if you do some pretty bad damage, as long as you abstain over time from IVing, it'll get better.

Just IVing a handful of times before you quit - you really have nothing to worry about as long as you make your shots.

^Just confirmed that Temgesic contain exactly the same ingredients as Subutex.

http://www.medicines.org.uk/emc/medicine/1876/SPC/Temgesic+200+microgram+Sublingual+tablets/#EXCIPIENTS

Thanks man, I'll try to include this information into the Inactive Ingredients A to Z.

And now that you know it's there, you'll be able to access it for your own knowledge and possibly also to help answer other people's questions.

 

[bwanajzj]

^@Captain.Herion

Muchas gracias para el thorough reply %) I'll have to chew on all that for a bit and get back to you.

But in general it seems like my intuition led me to follow almost precisely the procedure you mention. Besides, every single time I've gotten a vaccine, or gotten blood drawn, I've made sure to look with keen eyes at what the doc was doing with the needle. So I think I got through my first IV'ing tries pretty painless.

But some horrible side effects can occur up to weeks after, so I'm not going to just start shooting away using this method or during an adrenaline rush. Patience. See how the body reacts. And maybe look into getting a different gauge and some wheel filters.

Must have gone well... same goes for yesterdays shot... It must have.... X'd fingers no abscess!

I've had a great day, done all necessities and had some fun, smoked some joints, and supplemented the slightly sloppily IV'd Bupe with 30 mg Ketobemidone in the evening, and had a night time run under a beautiful beige moon in the woods and lake area near my place. So I think everything went A-OK.

Only problem is I have used extra bupe, and since my meeting with the doc tomorrow requires me to bring in my remaining medicine (usually pick up on Thursdays), I have to settle for these two 20mg Methadone tabs I've got lying around (and maybe a spliff, but I'm always so nutsy and clumsy the few times I've been to the clinic stoned).

Possibly my recent benzos/opiates binge and opiate rotation towards the low dose and drug-free spectrum of the Subutex treatment is a good thing, and will make withdrawals of a different character, and maybe even less painful... but knock on wood, wouldn't wanna end up in 100-X-METHADONE-W-D-HELL!!! Anyways, thanks for the input, really helped.

P.S. The benzo binge is ended but well documented, and will serve to supplement your A-Z guide pretty nicely, cause I tried a lot of different stuff. Same goes for some of the opiates... but benzo binge fucked with my ability to round things off and do things constructively, so I'll need to recover and get them completely out of my system before the report can be transposed from my oh-so-benzo-neat- excel-sheet (incl. opiate+benzo equivalence and hl charts) to suit the BL layout.

Bwanajzj​

 

[muvolution]

Don't you feel like you can go 24+ hours without subs? I don't find a problem with it...anyways good luck at your appointment dude.

careful shootin as I was just looking for a vein practicing with sterile water and thought I got it, then tried to shoot and blew it out and got this massive fucking scar on my wrist. I was just like, fuck this, and stick to other ROA's exclusively, that is probably my last time, like, I've fuckin had enough.
Anyways, you know, sounds like everything is going well, just try not to make bangin it a habit, ya know /end douchbagness/ Do whatever the fuck you want, partty!

stay safe.