DPH trip

[Voxide]

From a harm reduction standpoint, what can I do to make this as safe as humanly possible? Diphenhydramine

 

[NeighborhoodThreat]

Erowid Diphenhydramine Dosage

I wouldn't go any higher than 1000mg. Really negative side effects start at like 250-300mg.

LD50 for rats is listed as 500mg/kg which figures to 40,000mg for an 80kg/175lb person, assuming the LD50 for people is the same as rats.

Highest I've done is 250mg and it was horrible. I've seen people take 1200mg and they weren't having any at all. Nasty stuff at high doses.

 

[Voxide]

Erowid Diphenhydramine Dosage

I wouldn't go any higher than 1000mg. Really negative side effects start at like 250-300mg.

LD50 for rats is listed as 500mg/kg which figures to 40,000mg for an 80kg/175lb person, assuming the LD50 for people is the same as rats.

Highest I've done is 250mg and it was horrible. I've seen people take 1200mg and they weren't having any at all. Nasty stuff at high doses.

Yeah, I've had a look at that graph. Like we agreed in the other thread, most of it is tolerance and weight dependent. Erowid doesn't necessarily say what a common dose does. I'm looking for heavy hallucinations and effects, with minimal bodily harm.

I mean, I can handle dry mouth and a limp dick for a couple hours, but I just want to make sure that:

a) I don't go blind. (DPH increases intra-ocular pressure) but I don't have glaucoma.

b) My liver doesn't get nuked, though unlikely at the dose I'm looking at. 300mg, close to your weight, 0 tolerance.

c) My heart doesn't explode. Wikipedia lists arrythmias as a severe effect in overdose.


The thing here is, I want to know how much is really pushing the danger zone. Long as I don't die or do permanent damage. 40,000mg sounds way too generous for me. I have feelings that 1 gram would do serious damage in an intolerant individual.

 

[NeighborhoodThreat]

You should be okay with 300mg, I thought you were gunna shoot for 750mg+ or something.

After a period of abstaining from the oldschool antihistamines I would start with a lower dose (250-300mg?) and work your way up from there, ideally keeping those side effects to a minimum

 

[Cane2theLeft]

This is really better suited for BDD.

Hopefully you'll get some more helpful responses



--->BDD

 

[Voxide]

You should be okay with 300mg, I thought you were gunna shoot for 750mg+ or something.

After a period of abstaining from the oldschool antihistamines I would start with a lower dose (250-300mg?) and work your way up from there, ideally keeping those side effects to a minimum

Sounds good. I just want to ensure that I receive optimal effects. I don't see very much scientific potential in a DPH trip, but I feel that I should investigate.

Don't get me wrong, I wouldn't dare underestimate the hallucinations caused by diphenhydramine. Dealing with the frightening trip is a whole other story in itself, but I think that I should keep my organs safe first, before my mental state.

This is really better suited for BDD.

Hopefully you'll get some more helpful responses



--->BDD

Thanks Cane.

 

[NeighborhoodThreat]

Hey now, Cane, my responses aren't helpful?

 

[catsandstuff]

You went get heavy hallucinations until you are in blackout mode. It also causes pretty bad flashbacks for me at least. A lot of people who have taken anticholinergics report bad flashbacks. Especially at night, scary scary

 

[fryingsquirrel]

Don't. No one ever listens, but don't, just don't.

 

[dokomo]

Hey now, Cane, my responses aren't helpful?

*additional* helpful responses :D

 

[NeighborhoodThreat]

hahaha, I was just trying to get a rise out of cane, no worries man.

To the OP, please err on the safe side if you have your heart set on using diphenhydramine.

 

[The_Jesus]

First of all, you need 650+ to get any hallucinations from this shit.
Second, PLEASE don't do DPH. I made the mistake of doing it once.....

 

[Voxide]

First of all, you need 650+ to get any hallucinations from this shit.
Second, PLEASE don't do DPH. I made the mistake of doing it once.....

Care to elaborate? Not saying I don't believe you at all, don't get the wrong impression. Just want to see what I can do differently, although there may not be much. According to erowid reports, low body weight and 0 tolerance could easily give you hallucinations if you take 300mg. Even at dosages of 600-700mg, is the heart being put at significant danger?

Aside from the hallucinations, what was the body high like? Was it simple to interpret aspects of the high? Like, is like being dead sober and simply seeing shit, or are you drunk and in a totally incoherent state?

Many of you may laugh at the comparison, but I quite enjoyed nutmeg, which is also a delirant that I got auditory hallucinations from, albeit very mild and they had to be looked out for. So long as I didn't have anything I needed to do that day, I didn't mind the effects of feeling psychologically sick.

 

[NeighborhoodThreat]

It really depends on personal reaction, I had full-blown hallucinations at 250mg.

I wouldn't just be worried about the nausea aspects, but my muscles feel all sorts of somehow-tense-and-relaxed-at-the-same-time and the urinary retention but having to go take a piss every 2 minutes because you're chugging water because your mouth is so dry, belch.

 

[Voxide]

It really depends on personal reaction, I had full-blown hallucinations at 250mg.

I wouldn't just be worried about the nausea aspects, but my muscles feel all sorts of somehow-tense-and-relaxed-at-the-same-time and the urinary retention but having to go take a piss every 2 minutes because you're chugging water because your mouth is so dry, belch.

Really hate to keep bumping this thread myself, but how would you describe these hallucinations in detail? Sorry if this sounds like an interrogation. I am thoroughly curious.

And yeah, all deliriants seem to share a few common side effects. Dry mouth and mucous membranes. Just like what happened to me on nutmeg. In no way am I trying to compare the effects of the 2. DPH is obviously the stronger substance.

 

[davez]

I've done DPH at varying doses. How on earth do you guys stay awake long enough to hallucinate?

 

[Voxide]

I've done DPH at varying doses. How on earth do you guys stay awake long enough to hallucinate?

I just don't understand what goes through someone's head while they see these things. Do you just stare at these hallucinations and think "Well, ok. That's nice."

I really can't grasp the concept of flat-out seeing shit that isn't there.

 

[The_Jesus]

I just don't understand what goes through someone's head while they see these things. Do you just stare at these hallucinations and think "Well, ok. That's nice."

I really can't grasp the concept of flat-out seeing shit that isn't there.

Different drugs give different hallucinations.
The problem with DPH is that in your mind while your on it, all of them seem real.

Absolutely horrific hallucinations, cotton mouth that can't be cured, your bodys so heavy that you can't pick up the lightest objects let alone walk around, random memory blackouts.....

An example of one of mine. I saw an alien like creature crawling up my wall. Doesn't sound too bad, but it was. I had no idea what the little fucker was or what he was going to do to my immobile body.

Its one hell of a drug.

 

[sekio]

The only harm reduction adnvice I can give regarding deleriants: don't. Just don't. If you do, have some burly friends who can hang out with you for 12 hours and physically restrain you from getting arrested.

 

[perKeceT]

regarding the body 'high', id consider it a body low. for me, after 300-350 im literally unable to move. but its not the good kind of cant move like if you took a lot of opiates and you feel like your just floating, DPH will make you feel like youre literally nailed to your bed, couch, etc. youll want to move, but wont be able to.

edit: to reiterate the post a few above, you will hallucinate quite a bit, but wont realize it most likely. i once layed on my bed for 2 hours watching tv, like full episodes of shows id seen before, only to finally realize the tv was never even on.