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fernsal1

fernsal1

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I want to try the mints, but im from CALI
so i stared rolling last summer and was rolling every month for five months. each time i took an average of 3 pills. i have taken over a 4 month break and i almost dont panic except a little when i havent eaten. so has anyone ever taken a long break and gone back to normal? i also might roll next saturday but dont want to mess up even more i was planning on only taking 1 pill but dont want to be unsatisfied with the roll. i dont want to roll if i have to take 2. will i be able to have a good roll if i take a poke(known to have 75-100 mg?
 
I can't comment on the anxiety..
As for the tolerance thing, it depends on if your 3 pills average a roll previously are also pokes. If they are say crappy pills, with low MDMA, then im sure one poke might get you feeling great. But if you're used to taking 3 pokes, i dont think 1 will satisfy you. I'm sure a 4 month break has dropped your tolerance some, but even so, 1 will probably not feel as strong.
 
if you think mdma has induced some form in anxiety in you, common sense would dictate that you abstain from taking any more. Don't do it, but if you do, take a shit ton of antioxidants.
 
It really depends on the extent of the damage you've done.
Most damage from MDMA is reversible given time but if you really fucked yourself then some of that anxiety may be permanent.

I would think that a four month break should set your tolerance back down to near baseline levels.
 
if you have to question rolling this much, then it probably isn't a good idea. i would say you would have to take 2 to get the type of roll you're looking for. but if you do just take one, don't anticipate it or anything. take the pill, then forget you took it and let it sneak up on you
 
I'd say give it another month at least. Possibly a month and a half to two months.
 
no its from low cortisol, and that's also why you feel "panic" when you haven't eaten because that's when your body utilizes cortisol. When your body is low on cortisol you will go into "fight or flight" mode to stimulate your adrenals to produce more cortisol.

b12 and b complex can help, and same with vitamin C. Avoid simple carbs, because those further stress the adrenals. The American diet already puts loads of stress and burden on your adrenals, ecstasy just makes everything worse. Don't skip meals, try eating low glycemic diet. Not only that but when your adrenals are out of balance there is a high tendency for your body to become sensitive to foods, because of the excess inflammation. Cortisol helps greatly with reducing inflammation. The most common are gluten and dairy.
A study was done and those under the influence of ecstasy had an increase of 800% cortisol increase...

That is an insane amount of cortisol that NEEDS to be release from the immense amount of stress put on your adrenals by ecstasy. Cortisol increases to buffer the damaging effects of stress. Your adrenals become fatigued because they can't keep up. Look up adrenal fatigue.

This really should help your problem. Good luck. There needs to be more awareness of how amphetamines and ecstasy can be extremely stressful on the body and adrenals.
 
fernsal1 said:
so i stared rolling last summer and was rolling every month for five months. each time i took an average of 3 pills. i have taken over a 4 month break and i almost dont panic except a little when i havent eaten. so has anyone ever taken a long break and gone back to normal? i also might roll next saturday but dont want to mess up even more i was planning on only taking 1 pill but dont want to be unsatisfied with the roll. i dont want to roll if i have to take 2. will i be able to have a good roll if i take a poke(known to have 75-100 mg?
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Everybody reacts differently. In europe, it is common to roll every weekend. I rolled twice a week every week, every month for a couple of years and had no issues with tolerance or anxiety.

Perhaps there are other things involved. For example, I always rolled chilled with my girl, not at raves. We didn't do light shows (but lit loads of candles), got plenty of sleep each night, drank plenty of water, etc. We would drop 2 pills each night. This was back in 2006 too, so all of these piperazines that you find in pills today weren't really an issue then.

You will be fine. If you really want to get your system free from toxins and nutritionally sound, I would highly recommend http://cleanprogram.com (just do the book version!)

Basically, it's 21 days of a green smoothie (i.e. kale, chard, apple, pear, flax seed, hemp seed, ginger, etc.) for breakfast, a solid meal (brown rice and veg, etc.) for lunch and another green smoothie for dinner. After 21 days, you'll feel better than you ever have.

Good luck!
 
bhamster said:
Everybody reacts differently. In europe, it is common to roll every weekend. I rolled twice a week every week, every month for a couple of years and had no issues with tolerance or anxiety.
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The OP did not ask if anyone abused the shit out of MDMA with no sideeffects..
By saying it is common to roll every weekend and that you had no issues is far from harm reduction and isn't related to this post.
Most people cannot do anything near your abuse and be fine (I would argue no one can, and that you were taking something other than MDMA, but that is another topic/argument of it's own).

I feel like you just reply on every thread saying how you rolled ALL the time, like you're trying to dick size without saying a pill count.

To the OP, if this anxiety is related to your past mdma use, I would not roll until it is gone.
 
No Consequence said:
The OP did not ask if anyone abused the shit out of MDMA with no sideeffects..
By saying it is common to roll every weekend and that you had no issues is far from harm reduction and isn't related to this post.
Most people cannot do anything near your abuse and be fine (I would argue no one can, and that you were taking something other than MDMA, but that is another topic/argument of it's own).

I feel like you just reply on every thread saying how you rolled ALL the time, like you're trying to dick size without saying a pill count.

To the OP, if this anxiety is related to your past mdma use, I would not roll until it is gone.
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To have an accurate view of MDMA and the consequences of it's use, it's important to take into consideration those who react in ways that are different than we would normally expect.

I just read an article (thanks to Bsiren) where Sasha and Ann Shulgin are interviewed. She used MDMA weekly for a year or so as a writing tool and did not mention any drastic depression or anxiety, just that it stopped working and she can no longer get any effect over it. Not saying that this is recommended but people's experiences of not having problems are just as important as those who do have problems.

And I think it's a very valid point that rolling at home and getting enough rest is very different from staying up all night dancing at a rave. Sleep deprivation and higher body temperatures are likely to increase the potential problems associated with MDMA use.
 
Legerity said:
I just read an article (thanks to Bsiren) where Sasha and Ann Shulgin are interviewed. She used MDMA weekly for a year or so as a writing tool and did not mention any drastic depression or anxiety, just that it stopped working and she can no longer get any effect over it.
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This dude above said "I rolled twice a week every week, every month for a couple of years and had no issues with tolerance or anxiety. "
So he rolled twice as often in that year frame that Sasha rolled... but also, for a couple of years!
I'm not saying he did not do this, but I mainly saying it was not related to the thread and that arguing about this is its own topic.

I did not mean to create an issue/argument, but this dude posts this same thing on like every flippin thread.. :s
 
Your logic is flawed No Consequence. Consequently, you're wrong.

Firstly, because it is completely related to the original question which was seeking advice about the length of time between rolls and the number of pills, etc.

You are also wrong to say unequivocally that "I would argue no one can" in reference to the amount of pills I consumed during that period of time. Your argument obviously fails because I did, my wife did and my friends did. So step off with your disbelief.

Furthermore, I only share this information in threads where topics such as tolerance and/or break times are being discussed. It's called "in context." I'm sure that you tell the same boring stories when you're out in the bars trying to pick up the skank hoes.

You might also notice that I comment on a wide variety of things since I became a member a couple of weeks ago. What a great place. But let me give you some advice. It's a lot more fun if you take the stick out of your arse.

Peace ;)
 
Here's something I posted that you might enjoy. It was in response to a dude promoting pipes....

*rapping*

He's a Ninja pipe play-a
The M-D-M-A slay-a
Killin' the love flow
Turnin' the glove show
Into a nightmare, yo!

* And I made no mention of rolling back to back days in it. So there you go.
 
The reality is, I get tired of people saying "be careful, leave three months between rolls, etc." Sure, some people are just going to have problems, whether they drink 6 beers or take 6 pills or just sit on their arse each day watching the grass grow. We're all wired differently. But a lot of us (perhaps most of us) can use drugs and alcohol recreationally without any major problems. This tolerance and fear of anxiety is a new thing and I think mostly concentrated in the United States. We do fear really good here in the USA. I think we have a patent on it since 9/11. Fear sells (perhaps more than sex anymore, unfortunately.)
 
bhamster said:
Your logic is flawed No Consequence. Consequently, you're wrong.

Firstly, because it is completely related to the original question which was seeking advice about the length of time between rolls and the number of pills, etc.

You are also wrong to say unequivocally that "I would argue no one can" in reference to the amount of pills I consumed during that period of time. Your argument obviously fails because I did, my wife did and my friends did. So step off with your disbelief.

Furthermore, I only share this information in threads where topics such as tolerance and/or break times are being discussed. It's called "in context." I'm sure that you tell the same boring stories when you're out in the bars trying to pick up the skank hoes.

You might also notice that I comment on a wide variety of things since I became a member a couple of weeks ago. What a great place. But let me give you some advice. It's a lot more fun if you take the stick out of your arse.

Peace ;)
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The OP is saying that they have anxiety and wants to know if it goes away. Furthermore theyre asking if they can drop from an average of 3 pills to 1 after their break.
If you read my further post, i was basically ranting towards your comment. I'm not doubting that you did this, but most people cannot come anywhere near that amount of abuse.
I was saying that by stating that it is common where you live to roll that often does not promote any sort of harm reduction and I didnt feel it was related enough to this thread.
(Side note, i could have sworn i saw you post somewhere where someone commented on how they dont believe you rolled that much and that it has to be a different drug and you stated that you didnt even know for sure if it was MDMA, but whatever it was you'd like to know what it was...) <--but let's not go further into that.
I am sorry if i came off as rude, but honestly I do not like your initial post.
 
Legerity said:
To have an accurate view of MDMA and the consequences of it's use, it's important to take into consideration those who react in ways that are different than we would normally expect.

I just read an article (thanks to Bsiren) where Sasha and Ann Shulgin are interviewed. She used MDMA weekly for a year or so as a writing tool and did not mention any drastic depression or anxiety, just that it stopped working and she can no longer get any effect over it. Not saying that this is recommended but people's experiences of not having problems are just as important as those who do have problems.

And I think it's a very valid point that rolling at home and getting enough rest is very different from staying up all night dancing at a rave. Sleep deprivation and higher body temperatures are likely to increase the potential problems associated with MDMA use.
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Interesting. Perhaps it is a coincidence that I am a writer too? Perhaps it is no coincidence at all? Maybe all writers are immune to anxiety and that nasty tolerance build up associated with MDMA. Now, my short term memory on the other hand... What were we talking about?
 
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