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Psychadelics not for me?

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Kavanagh

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So, i have done lsd about 10 times, and mushrooms 3-4 times...and then a few research chemicals(2ce,2ci,2cx,)...for the first hour or so of each trip i feel great, am having fun, but every time after that i just start freaking out, wondering if it will ever end, crying sometimes i usually have an outdoor setting, but isolated.
 
why cry? it will all be over in a matter of hours.
unless theyre tears brought on by overwhelming beauty and joy. that i can understand.
 
Doesnt sound like it...

Shame for you my friend, but it may just be that you're not emotionally able for Psyches. Maybe entactogens might suit you better but the after-effects of things like MDMA can be stressful, depressing & upsetting so... well... hmmmm I'd continue experimenting only with caution if I were you.

Good luck!
 
Kavanagh said:
So, i have done lsd about 10 times, and mushrooms 3-4 times...and then a few research chemicals(2ce,2ci,2cx,)...for the first hour or so of each trip i feel great, am having fun, but every time after that i just start freaking out, wondering if it will ever end, crying sometimes i usually have an outdoor setting, but isolated.
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The brain makes heavy use of association. Especially with strong emotional responses.

I'll give you an example.

I had my first LSD trip. I smoked easily four times the amount of marijuana I would otherwise, thinking it wouldn't do anything. I was at the peak.

The trip kicked up tenfold, especially in relation to time. I was overwhelmed, and started having intense negative emotions. I've never been so horrified in my life. Pure existential terror. I don't regret a second of it.

However, for a while after, every time I would smoke marijuana, I would get "minitrips". These only manifested emotionally. The Fear would return and I'd get a general trippy headspace.

After enough times smoking and rationalizing, I was able to rid myself of the emotional aspect.

Unfortunately, such a technique isn't as easy with full blown psychedelics. If you have a bad a trip, and you keep having bad trips, you're solidifying that outcome for future trips. Your best bet would be to take lower doses, and hold on until you're neutral again.

What do you feel is the primary cause for your discomfort? Do you have trouble with derealization, dissociation, or depersonalization? What kind of thoughts do you have?
 
I spent the first bit of my acid experience just TODAY~ crying in the arms of my significant other. I cried for hours~ an emotional rain just poured on me that I carried for what felt like the entire world. I felt love for me~ love I've shared with these last few days to be almost indescribably potent to what makes me who I am... and I felt others should be able to have the same, and how powerless I was to be able to share it.

One could say that spending a trip feeling this emotional cascade isn't exactly something I would consider blissful, and perhaps it was because I got to hear the words come from my lips and shared with someone I love that I found it worth it~ but feeling those emotions gave me a clarity that I needed. They were feelings I always had but couldn't voice~

Perhaps your setting isn't right, and perhaps in your isolation~ you're denying yourself the ability to outflow those emotions to someone that can understand them, or perhaps you yourself need to find a way to digest those feelings. Emotions~ the full range of them mean more than just laughter and happiness... to feel is to sometimes hurt as well.
 
It's true that the "terror" described above can ultimately be extremely liberating, like a near-death experience can bring colour back to your life. But equally it can just simply be terrifying & not beneficial at all. LSD & the more popular 2c's can be pretty long journeys so being stuck in "terror" & never getting to the "release" can be very long-lived & deeply uncomfortable.

Shorter acting Psyches might suit Kavangh better, perhaps 2c-c??? Or perhaps less intense psychedelics such as Methoxetamine in 20mg or lower dosage?
 
Try and indoor setting, be with someone you trust - for your first few psychedelic trips I think this is really important.
 
Psychedelics are just not a "automatically feel good" drug. often its really the opposite, bringing up old problems etc. You have to be ready for psychedelics. If you have a feeling of fear, don't try to ignore it (ok come up fear can be ignored) insteand just face it. May give you an enlightment lasting well longer than the trip :)
 
I am wondering, why do you take psychedelics if they make you suffer? I mean, having 3-4-5 difficult experiences is ok, when you are curious and inexperienced, but why did you continue tripping after that? You had at least 16 trips, and IMO, it is not a small number.
Also, when did you have your first trip(2 years ago, 1 year ago, 6 months ago)?

Psychedelics are certainly not for everyone, but if you managed to have 16 trips and if you ask such questions here then psychedelics probably are for you.
Do you have an idea why you have negative reaction for psychedelics? Maybe we could help you.
As for general recommendations, I second emphatogens. If you don't have access to MDMA, try some Methylone, it is readily available. Have 2-3 experiences, and if they are good and positive, give psychedelics another try. EDIT: ok, forget about it, I checked your posts list and you seem to have some experience with this type of drugs.
I also second the idea of changing setting. Take your dose indoor, turn on the music you like relax and try to be positive about the trip. Personally, I couldn't see myself taking psychedelics outdoor until I had some amount of experience. Setting have great influence to the trip for me.
Also, make sure you don't take high dose! Take moderate amount!(it is 16-20 mg of 2C-I and 10-12 mg of 2C-E for me).
 
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Psychedelics are not for everyone, I agree. At the same time, can you try to look 'inside' yourself and see what it is exactly that happens - what is it that comes out, what do you feel after that hour? Is it something in particular that makes you sad?

If you don't try to get clarity of what is happening between your thoughts and your emotions then you can't really expect anything to change. Therapeutically speaking it would be best to find out, but I wouldn't force anything either... better just let it go then.
 
allium said:
I am wondering, why do you take psychedelics if they make you suffer? I mean, having 3-4-5 difficult experiences is ok, when you are curious and inexperienced, but why did you continue tripping after that? You had at least 16 trips, and IMO, it is not a small number.
Also, when did you have your first trip(2 years ago, 1 year ago, 6 months ago)?

Psychedelics are certainly not for everyone, but if you managed to have 16 trips and if you ask such questions here then psychedelics probably are for you.
Do you have an idea why you have negative reaction for psychedelics? Maybe we could help you.
As for general recommendations, I second emphatogens. If you don't have access to MDMA, try some Methylone, it is readily available. Have 2-3 experiences, and if they are good and positive, give psychedelics another try. EDIT: ok, forget about it, I checked your posts list and you seem to have some experience with this type of drugs.
I also second the idea of changing setting. Take your dose indoor, turn on the music you like relax and try to be positive about the trip. Personally, I couldn't see myself taking psychedelics outdoor until I had some amount of experience. Setting have great influence to the trip for me.
Also, make sure you don't take high dose! Take moderate amount!(it is 16-20 mg of 2C-I and 10-12 mg of 2C-E for me).
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i do not have acesss to methylone, but i do have access to mdma. i usually take a very low low dose of the research chemicals... 13mg of 2-ce is perfect.
 
Psychedelics and tripping are not for everyone.

I knew people when I was in highschool who loved mild psychedelics like smoking herb but they'd tried LSD once or twice and didn't enjoy the experience at all and hated it.
 
Does it feel like things go bad around the peak? Or in the time as the peak starts to fade? If it's the former, you could try dosing lower.
I do often find the time after the peak to be the "risky" time for trips going negative or partially negative. That's usually when the rough spots come out for me, and it's where i'm most vulnerable to getting depressed (after the visuals have calmed down, but i'm still in that mental state).

I think it's likely that you have unresolved stresses, doubts, or fears that you are normally repressing, but which are brought to the surface by psychedelics. That's one of the things they do, and it can be useful as a catalyst to deal with those problems.... or just unpleasant and lead to a bad trip if you're not ready/able/willing to address them.
 
probably not for you like others have stated....Are you doing them by yourself ? Expirienced trip friends ? People you dont know very well?

Personally 90% of my trips have been with the same person & turned out amazing because of that.
 
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you might just need a break. just because they aren't for you at one time in your life, doesn't mean they never will be.
 
try some mescaline, also dont smoke weed when you trip if you have been, maybe try a small doze of a benzo half an hour in, and wait until youre in a positive mindset.
 
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