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Cocodamol - The drug of the credit crunch? plus other codeine/dihydrocodeine queries

Yerg said:
Yes. The codeine is soluble in both; the soluble ones are the big 'uns that you drop into a glass of water and which subsequently effervesce and dissolve. You then have a mixture of water, codeine and paracetamol, which is useless. You want the ones where the paracetamol is insoluble, so it ends up as a chalky lump in the filter while the water/codeine mixture drips through. You need to edit the name of the pharmacy out of that post; "the chemist's" is all the information we need.
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The paracetamol is actually insoluble in both. The reason most people think the fizzy ones are different, it because usually most people only take 2 in a glass of water, so it all dissolves. There's also no insoluble fillers, so when you dissolve 32down, it looks like a lot less "paracetamol" than when you add water to crushed pills
Dispersible aspirin is another story. There is a chemical in it that forms a complex with the aspirin, making it very soluble, and unable to be removed by CWE
However there is an insane amount of sodium in each effervescent tablet, approx 400mg's, that cannot be removed, and will box your kidneys if you have any serious habit
 
last time i did a cwe i used a generic brand and in the ingredients were : paracetamol 500mg, codeine phosphate 8mg and some random e number chems which when i googled turned out to be nothing more then brilliant white dye etc,so the cloudiness is most likely due to the binders they use,plus i found that a couple sheets of regular toilet paper folded up inside the layers of tshirt that i used produced a crystal clear solution and to be extra geeky i scraped up all the gunk that was left and put it under a heat lamp and was left with 6.78g of apap. that was from a 16 pill extraction so i only consumed bout a gram and a bit of paracetamol,no more then u=your average 2 pills for a headache,and yea i got a nice buzz
 
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Shambles said:
A proper CWE should remove virtually all the paracetamol - or at least plenty enough to make it perfectly safe to use. The important bit is the C in CWE - ice cold water = crystal clear solution. So clear you can see the individual particles of paracetamol should you get any into the solution :)

I also disagree with saying that folks will all automatically need "proper" opiates for opifun to be worthwhile. I <3 serious opi's but since I quit heroin I now <3 codeine again. In fact I even <3 codeine when I was on the scag. Admittedly at fairly fuckin' massive doses compared to most codeine users (was prescribed over a litre of codeine linctus a day for a while :D). Codeine is a great opiate in its own right and plenty enough for those with little/no tolerance and for those who want to steer clear from heavier opiates.

Which reminds me... down to me last 300mg of straight codeine pills so thank fuck for 30/500 co-cos. 8/500s may seem a bit of a faff but as you can buy them dirt cheap without prescription they're still damn good value compared to spending a tenner on a bag of bash, perhaps ;)
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I actually prefer Codeine and some diaz to Heroin. Yes, I've def had good gear too. I just wish you could continually dose Codeine; It's probs best you can't though.
 
davestate said:
The paracetamol is actually insoluble in both. The reason most people think the fizzy ones are different, it because usually most people only take 2 in a glass of water, so it all dissolves. There's also no insoluble fillers, so when you dissolve 32down, it looks like a lot less "paracetamol" than when you add water to crushed pills
Dispersible aspirin is another story. There is a chemical in it that forms a complex with the aspirin, making it very soluble, and unable to be removed by CWE
However there is an insane amount of sodium in each effervescent tablet, approx 400mg's, that cannot be removed, and will box your kidneys if you have any serious habit
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This is not correct and pretty dangerous, soluble paracetamol uses soluble salts of paracetamol and thus a CWE is ineffective at removing it.
 
I knew a lass who drank effervescent co-cos all day long at very high dose. Dunno how many per glass but a fuckload - she was prescribed those "catering pack" ones that come on a big roll. I feared for her liver and told her so but she'd been at it for years and didn't give much of a fuck. Think she had Hep C (and probably B) too so maybe she really couldn't give much of a fuck :\

As I said, I don't know exactly how many pills she used per dose but it was a lot and I don't recall seeing any sediment in the bottom of the glass. But if there was she would've just swilled it down anyway... Got rather fond of 'em for a while meself - really liked the taste :D - but wasn't using them anything like as regularly or far as long as she had.

I'd definitely stick to insoluble pills, myself. Plus they're cheaper, no?

DS: I actually find redosing works fine with codeine. I also don't believe a word of the "ceiling dose" idea. Experience suggests otherwise. I do seem to have an odd body chemistry that gets on extraordinarily well with codeine though - doubt many would've enjoyed swilling the litre+ of linctus I was legitimately prescribed for a while (wot no ceiling dose, doc?) but I certainly did. Always did like the taste of lincti though... Said I was weird with codeine :D
 
I don't think there's really a ceiling dose but there's a dose at which the histamine release suddenly spikes and as for redosing, i've redosed 500mg at about t+3 and had close to zero effect, I think there's definitely something to that. I do believe that the main effects from codeine are down to codeine-6-glucurnoride rather than morphine though.
 
Agreed on morphine not having much to do with the buzz - just not enough present to do much orally. Redosing I think depends totally on the individual. Some seem to find it effective and some don't. I never had a problem with histamine until recently (used to enjoy it even with my incredibly stupid and highly dangerous high-dose IV schedule I was once so fond of (before I knew quite how lethal it tends to be)). Seem to need anti-histamines when I go above around 400mg these days but they've coped with everything I've thrown at them so far without going near the daily safe limit of antihist. As I said though, my body seems to soak up codeine like a sponge - not suggesting this is "normal" for everybody by any means.
 
Evad said:
CWE takes about 15 mins when you're good at it and yeah you get rid of just about all the crap, couple of quid for 500mg codeine is pretty damn cheap as well and a lot of people clearly buxx off that (or even less). You can't get any 'proper opiates' at the local chemist for a pound or so.
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I got some 30/500mg co codamol somewhere about a dozen i think do ya rekon they would be worth looking out ? Considering i 'm on metadone n have a opiate tolerance ?
 
doubt you'd even feel a tickle on top of the meth mate
 
Evad said:
This is not correct and pretty dangerous, soluble paracetamol uses soluble salts of paracetamol and thus a CWE is ineffective at removing it.
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It is very hard to get salts of paracetamol.The only water soluble salts of paracetamol are N,N'-dimethylpiperazine and piperazine salts,soluble at 2 g of paracetamol per 100 ml.
Paracetamol can also be reacted with NaOH to form the sodium phenoxide salt, but I don't think it's used commercially. If you know of more I'd be glad to hear, even IV solutions of paracetamol is just plain ol paracetamol.

What basis do you have for saying the paracetamol in fizzy tablets is water soluble?

One virtue of the piperazine salt is that it tastes good. Do OTC dissolving co-codamol tablets taste anything but salty?

Besides all of this if it were as a salt, it would say so on the packet, it has to EG codeine phosphate hemihydrate, morphine hydrochloride, morphine sulphate.
 
davestate said:
What basis do you have for saying the paracetamol in fizzy tablets is water soluble?
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Oooh, maybe the fact they're sold as 'soluble', perchance? :)

As for t'other query on the paracetamol, can't answer that as I'm no chemist; just a hydrochloride-of-the-earth kinda guy.
 
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Looks like dave's right...all the soluble paracetamol I can find is straight paracetamol, not a salt.
 
How regularly do you guys go into the same pharmacy for cocos or DHC? I try and alternate between a number of them as much as possible but the "1 per transaction" limit has made it a bit awkward to get enough for a good bash at it.

Am I excercising unnecessary caution or do pharmacies tend to keep an eye on who's buying what? If they did realise I was using them recreationally rather than medicinally is there anything they could actually do? I assume not.
 
wheres the 'How to do a CWE' thread that was started a few months ago I think by Monsta?

the op had loads of tips and general things to bear in mind whereas this thread is less clear on exactly how to cwe, which I'm doing tonight got 2 boxes generic of 500/8 co-codomol with a few E numbers in them as well :)
 
Yerg said:
Looks like dave's right...all the soluble paracetamol I can find is straight paracetamol, not a salt.
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Then why does it dissolve completely in water? No way in hell I'd use them recreationally these days (was a reckless fucker with a deathwish back when I did and even then I was always iffy about it). And I most definitely wouldn't be suggesting it's safe to use above the recommended dose until there's proof that it is. Do the test for yourself - put a recreational dose in water. There is no sediment so how the hell do you not end up with a fucktonne of paracetamol in your system? Where does it go if not into the water?
 
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