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So are truffles still legal in Holland?

i'm not sure they're just sold under those names. ''hawaiiana'' and ''pajateros'' are supposedly the strongest available visualwise. they rank 4.5/5 on the little effects scale on the box for visuals. i doubt they are actually from hawaii. i would like to know what species they actually are though so i can conduct better research as there seems to be no info anywhere
 
Venrak said:
It's always the damn tourists, eh?
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Hmm well that, and also combinations like drinking alcohol all day and then going on a fucked up trip with mushrooms. Total disregard for set and setting, but instead just going on a tour with a mentality like: Whats this? Sure I will take it! It will be allright, because everything always turns out fine magically...

I've been in Czech and Poland with such mad adventure plans and we also were horribly drunk and out of our minds at points. Add the exotic stuff found in Amsterdam to it for a drug-naieve starter and you get in way over your head way fast.

Alcohol had to be blamed as well for these incedents. People who experiment in the country where trey live tend to learn what to do and what not to do. In a foreign country where you don't really know what you're doing things can spin out of control fast.

Anyway sclerotia are still legal, thanks for that. :)
But I hope they will be for longer and that they wont be banned after a stupid incident where someone has been irresponsible with stuff... The government we seem to be getting will not be a good thing for these laws. :( Fingers crossed!!
 
i agree the hawaiian ones are absolutly incredible. but nothing interstellar, just very strong colours, 2D and 3D patterns, odd cartoon like visuals and surfaces. good stuff
 
Well, yeah, the tourists are the ones who end up in bad situations, but to some extent the smart shop employees are to blame as well. I've heard a few of them telling young travellers (as in 16 year olds!) to just take mushrooms and go to a coffee shop and smoke a large joint while waiting for the mushrooms to kick in. That's incredibly bad advice for a first time shroomer.
 
Heres me thinking they were all 100% illegal, me and a friend got talking to the guy serving in the coffee shop & he seemed pretty cool. We were talking about general tripping and mushrooms came up. I Picked it up wrong thought he was tryign to suggestive sell, so I asked him if he had any mushrooms and he kicked us out. :(

Too scared to ask anyone else after that, but i'll have to try next time I go. Not far off mushroom season in my country anyway. ^^
 
go into any smart shop and buy truffles :) they'll be under the counter or in a fridge. how can you NOT get hold of them lol. but yeh no mushrooms to be found, truffles i find to more than fill the gap
 
RigaCrypto said:
If only the fruiting bodies are banned they could sell Cubensis mycelium mass grown in liquid culture, couldn't they?
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Well grow kits are still sold, and they contain mycelium.

Oh and I hear Pajateros or 'Dragons Dynamite' are remarkably strong truffles/sclerotia, they should be very good and visual!
 
immad said:
Nop, not really, but in this case: yes.

92% of the times the ambulance had to go out because of mushrooms was because of tourists.

Seems pretty clear to me.
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my little dutch brother was one of the 8 % :) he was having fun throwing those truffles down, till he lost bowel control, he bugged out, and his buddies took him to the hospital, he thought the hospital was heaven till he started to come down
 
I had been advised truffles were also legal in the UK. A quick google brings forth the answer.

Keep said info on the low down though, as widespread knowledge will lead to idiots and teenagers taking them using irresponsibly, and eventually the tabloids pushing the government to ban them :(
 
Yeah and get this, some researchers of the RIVM investigated the dangers of a handful of drugs on society. This is a good example of the results - the damage factors combined (I think score 1 means the initial independent score they give, score 2 is after debating if one or more of the experts has important information to share with the others:
(paddo's means mushrooms in Dutch)
 

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Seems every study on the danger of drugs that comes out has alcohol right near the top.

I wonder when the world is going to wake up and see that alcohol is in fact a hard drug. Some of the most depraved, "out there", and messed up drug experiences I've had were with alcohol. :\
 
PepperSocks said:
I wonder when the world is going to wake up and see that alcohol is in fact a hard drug. Some of the most depraved, "out there", and messed up drug experiences I've had were with alcohol.
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Agree. Most of the bad things I've done, times I have upset people I care about, nearly always due to too much alcohol....
 
was there this time last year, plenty of truffles everywhere (i tried a recommended dose of the strongest philosphers stone, pretty mild compared to lsd but when i started smoking weed, started getting audio hallucinations-NEVER got them before or after, pretty crazy stuff lol).. few of the stores had real mushrooms under the counter but i didnt get any
 
the pajateros WERE very strong, but less pleasant of an experience, whereas the hawaiiana are slightly stronger, and an amazing experience
 
and do not truffles count as ''psilocybin containing fungi''? because the law does not specifically mention mushrooms but targets ALL fungi
 
I don't know why they wouldn't fall under "psilocybin-containing fungi", if that's the definition in the law, but they are most certainly legal for practical purposes and available at smartshops in the Netherlands.

I don't know why I'd want to eat mushrooms anymore, since I find truffles to be less nasty-tasting and nauseating.
 
The law is actually banning the fruiting bodies of psilocybin mushrooms. Truffles are not part of the fruiting body.
 
What I keep wondering is are they that stupid to categorize it like that, or are they that genius to keep everybody happy: tell angry surrounding European countries you banned mushrooms (technically true) while still keeping psilocybes available even if to a lesser extent.
 
Thank god the lawmakers are ignorant to mycology. They banned mushrooms which are the fruiting bodies of the fungii. The underground psilocybin containing mycilium, truffles, sclerotia are still legal.

On the other hand I heard that the growers made this clear to the law makers and got the go ahead to sell truffles. I think they may have used the logic that truffles are supposed to be less potent by weight then mushrooms. All this means is that you would have to consume larger amounts of fungi mass in truffles vs. mushrooms for equal effect.

What does the future hold?...well....shrooms in any form used to be legal, then only fresh shrooms, and now only the underground fungi. Seems like the law makers are slowly backing the mycophiles into a corner.
 
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