Forgetting the Term, "I lost the magic" and just letting go

[ESARE]

so i guess im not the only one on here that thinks theres a significant amount of people worrying too much about losing the magic, especially if you new to the drug.
my self included. i been rolling for a year, preloading with htp and vitamins and spacing out my rolls 1-4 months at a time
yet i think all this information about "losing the magic" is having a psychological effect on people where they may be over analyzing their roll and may not be letting themselves go to enjoy the experience.

i know this is true to me, i keep worrying that my next roll may be the one where i dont feel much anymore, and can really mindfuck with someone the whole night.

i Decided to make a thread ( an anti-lost the magic thread)
where people can put some input/tips/advice on this for the benefit of people everywhere

 

[ESARE]

this might be lengthy but a good article

Wise Words about Letting Go of Worry
Using worry quotes as a tool for breaking the cycle of endless chatter that our minds often subject us to can be very effective. Powerful and calming words help remind us that worry is counter-productive, usually groundless, and one of the most destructive habits we can have. Quotes can give our over-active minds an alternative point of focus, and help to calm and still our thoughts.

Worry creates stress, anxiety and fear, and clouds our minds. Worry quotes give us simple, powerful phrases that we can put in place of the stressful thoughts that are produced by worrying, and can help to stop the vicious circle these thoughts create.

If you have ever tried to stop worrying, you may have found that the more you try to stop, the more you worry. And then worry about worrying, worry about how to stop worrying, on top of the original worry! It is no wonder we sometimes can feel like we are literally driving ourselves crazy!

Instead of focusing on trying to stop the worry, which is like trying to stop a speeding train with our bare hands, we need to give our agitated minds a distraction. Using worry quotes can provide a positive and powerful diversion, and repeating some phrases a few times gives the turmoil that worry has created in our minds a chance to settle.

As well as keeping some favorite worry quotes handy, using some worry-busting affirmations can be very helpful. This way, if you find yourself starting to get into a worry cycle while you are driving, walking, or even working, you can replace your mind’s worry chatter with your calming affirmations. Repeating a phrase such as, “My mind and heart are filled with peace,” over and over again can be very effective in taking the focus off the worry. While you are repeatedly using words of calm, either aloud or silently, it is very difficult for worry to take center stage as it likes to do!

I personally find that I get the greatest benefit from using my affirmations repetitively while I am walking briskly. The stress-relieving and mood-enhancing effects of physical movement coupled with positive and calming words can do wonders for a troubled mind.

Of course it is not always possible to take an exercise break at the moments that worry strikes us, and the beauty of worry quotes and affirmations is that they can be used anywhere at any time. Carry a few of your favorite quotes with you in your wallet, and you can often slip away from what you are doing for a few moments to give your mind some calming words.

Even if you can’t physically remove yourself from a situation where you are finding yourself plagued by worry or stress, you can always remove yourself mentally for a few moments. Let’s say your boss is storming around ranting and raving, and you are running the worry tape in your mind of “oh no, I’ll lose my job, and then, and then, and then...” Leave him to it for a minute or two, and just breathe and affirm. You never know, he might even manage to calm himself down while you are calming yourself. The point though, is stilling your own mind. The world around you may be crazy, but affirming a few times that your mind and heart are filled with peace can remarkably create an internal shift, whatever the external circumstances.

Replacing worry with thoughts of calm and serenity allows your mind to clear. With a clear mind you will be far better able to deal with whatever challenges come to you from moment to moment.

 

[ESARE]

You can never cross the ocean unless you have the courage to lose sight of the shore.
Christopher Columbus

If you are going through hell, keep going.
Winston Churchill


When life gives you lemons, cut them in half and squirt life in the eye!
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Better a diamond with a flaw than a pebble without.
Confucius

Happiness is not a matter of events, it depends upon the tides of the mind.
Alice Meynell

Hope is grief’s best music.
- Anonymous

It is not length of life, but depth of life.
- Ralph Waldo Emerson

 

[Trixie88]

I find that, in all aspects of life, don't think about trying to stop worrying. Think positively. Even if you feel like utter crap. Smile, tell yourself you're having a great day or that you're going to have an awesome time tonight. You're going to have fun rolling like you always do. I've recently gone through a breakup, and I can honestly say I was miserable. Didn't eat, didn't socialize; you know, the normal shit. I've learned to smile. I wake up in the morning and tell myself I'm having a great morning, and my day will get better. The same can be applied when worrying about "losing the magic." Just busy yourself and stay positive. After you drop, wherever you are, keep yourself occupied. My best friend and I would jump around her house acting retarded. Yeah, we had an initial worry..."What if it wasn't as good as the last time. That last roll was amazing!" Throw all thoughts out the window and live in the moment. We have this long running joke. She ALWAYS, every time we drop, stops and says, "Guys...I think I'm feeling it!" literally 10 minutes later lol.
I know I'm rambling, but just thinking about my past experience compels me to share my advice on how I manage to make the best of things. Remember that not all rolls are going to be the same, either. Some will vary in intensity, but just let go! It is what it is.

 

[matt2012]

so i guess im not the only one on here that thinks theres a significant amount of people worrying too much about losing the magic, especially if you new to the drug.
my self included. i been rolling for a year, preloading with htp and vitamins and spacing out my rolls 1-4 months at a time
yet i think all this information about "losing the magic" is having a psychological effect on people where they may be over analyzing their roll and may not be letting themselves go to enjoy the experience.

i know this is true to me, i keep worrying that my next roll may be the one where i dont feel much anymore, and can really mindfuck with someone the whole night.

i Decided to make a thread ( an anti-lost the magic thread)
where people can put some input/tips/advice on this for the benefit of people everywhere

You don't have to worry about it. If you truly are using in the fasion you stated, then you are taking steps so that you don't "lose the magic". Losing the magic is a product of abuse. It is not some imaginary thing that people who became disenchanted with MDMA made up. It happens, and it happens for a very specific reason...MDMA abuse.

 

[Trixie88]

It happens, and it happens for a very specific reason...MDMA abuse.

Quoted from the truth.

 

[Bearlove]

so i guess im not the only one on here that thinks theres a significant amount of people worrying too much about losing the magic, especially if you new to the drug.
my self included. i been rolling for a year, preloading with htp and vitamins and spacing out my rolls 1-4 months at a time
yet i think all this information about "losing the magic" is having a psychological effect on people where they may be over analyzing their roll and may not be letting themselves go to enjoy the experience.

i know this is true to me, i keep worrying that my next roll may be the one where i dont feel much anymore, and can really mindfuck with someone the whole night.

i Decided to make a thread ( an anti-lost the magic thread)
where people can put some input/tips/advice on this for the benefit of people everywhere

I agree with you - I have been rolling for years and only heard the term 'losing the magic' when I joined this site (20 years or so after my first pill). Its an American saying which as little to zero meaning with people in the UK / Europe - Take your MDMA - have a blast,go crazy and dance all night, get loved up in a cuddle puddle, talk bullshit to the person next to you, light shows, chew your own face off, etc BUT ALSO - take regular breaks to avoid tolerance problems/negative side effects.

So many people think that if you take three pills one weekend or that Mixing a blue Dolphin with a Green Transformer or taking .2 'pure' MDMA means that the magic has gone and you will never 'roll' again.

Its absolute rubbish and has been completely blown out of proportion ! (Mainly by Teenage American users)

 

[vancbc]

People lost all credibility with me when they start making issues like tolerance and loss of empathy and love up feelings an issue of political and geographical lines. Loss of magic is a phenomenon that occurs in the vast majority of users who abuse the drug over some period of time, usually longer than shorter. I never worried about loss of magic but it happened to me for no other reason than years of abuse. Ultimately the drug became a boring experience. I'm now on a long term break and am confident that the magic will be back when my tolerance has gone down in a year or two, the earliest I plan to end the break. Is it fair to say that type of patient confidence is something Americans and British can't understand but you must be Canadian?

 

[bhamster]

I agree with you - I have been rolling for years and only heard the term 'losing the magic' when I joined this site (20 years or so after my first pill). Its an American saying which as little to zero meaning with people in the UK / Europe - Take your MDMA - have a blast,go crazy and dance all night, get loved up in a cuddle puddle, talk bullshit to the person next to you, light shows, chew your own face off, etc BUT ALSO - take regular breaks to avoid tolerance problems/negative side effects.

So many people think that if you take three pills one weekend or that Mixing a blue Dolphin with a Green Transformer or taking .2 'pure' MDMA means that the magic has gone and you will never 'roll' again.

Its absolute rubbish and has been completely blown out of proportion ! (Mainly by Teenage American users)

Thank you! I was saying something similar in a discussion about tolerance, when people here kept saying that you should space your use out every several months or your tolerance would get too high. In Ireland, we rolled practically every weekend. Often, back to back days (Thurs/Fri/Sat) if pills were plentiful. Sure, sometimes you would get duds, but if the pills were good, you would roll the same every time and feel great. Somehow, today, people who use X think that you should only take 10 pills a year.

 

[bhamster]

People lost all credibility with me when they start making issues like tolerance and loss of empathy and love up feelings an issue of political and geographical lines. Loss of magic is a phenomenon that occurs in the vast majority of users who abuse the drug over some period of time, usually longer than shorter. I never worried about loss of magic but it happened to me for no other reason than years of abuse. Ultimately the drug became a boring experience. I'm now on a long term break and am confident that the magic will be back when my tolerance has gone down in a year or two, the earliest I plan to end the break. Is it fair to say that type of patient confidence is something Americans and British can't understand but you must be Canadian?

I suppose it might be the same way that some people become alcoholics and others don't. It's not the alcohol that causes addiction in someone (otherwise, everyone who drank would become alcoholics). It is the individual's reaction to alcohol (or E in this context) that causes a sense of dependence (or lack or "magic"). To say that EVERYONE will lose the magic if they take x number (pun intended) of pills each month or year is ridiculous. Individual responses vary from person to person.

Regarding tolerance, I know firsthand that mine was not affected when I rolled every week for a year. Someone else might feel that their tolerance was affected when they rolled that often. This suggests that is our own individual systems that cause increases in tolerance or decreases in "magic" and not the pill itself.

Personally, I haven't rolled in years (with the exception of some Molly recently) because I just got bored of it. I suppose that flies in the face of those who think that when you use a drug too often you will surely get addicted. Again, we're all different.

 

[bhamster]

People lost all credibility with me when they start making issues like tolerance and loss of empathy and love up feelings an issue of political and geographical lines. Loss of magic is a phenomenon that occurs in the vast majority of users who abuse the drug over some period of time, usually longer than shorter. I never worried about loss of magic but it happened to me for no other reason than years of abuse. Ultimately the drug became a boring experience. I'm now on a long term break and am confident that the magic will be back when my tolerance has gone down in a year or two, the earliest I plan to end the break. Is it fair to say that type of patient confidence is something Americans and British can't understand but you must be Canadian?

People lose credibility with me when they say that I WILL lose the magic if you roll every month, or your tolerance will get too high, or that you'll get hooked on it. Why? Because I've been there and done that (using every week) and none of that happened.

It's like when the government warned us that smoking weed would turn you into a psycho monster in the anti-marijuana ads years ago.

Just because YOU lost the magic or you became addicted or YOUR tolerance rose doesn't mean that everyone else's will. We all react differently.

There could be other things going on in your personal system that caused you to lose the magic.

I feel that achieving a good balance in physical, mental and emotional health helps to maximise the affects of recreational drug use. If you stay fit, eat well, love your gf/wife/partner, have good family relationships, etc. then everything will be better. There are so many factors about how we react to things in life, how happy we are in general and how we roll.

 

[vancbc]

People lose credibility with me when they say that I WILL lose the magic if you roll every month, or your tolerance will get too high, or that you'll get hooked on it. Why? Because I've been there and done that (using every week) and none of that happened.

It's like when the government warned us that smoking weed would turn you into a psycho monster in the anti-marijuana ads years ago.

Just because YOU lost the magic or you became addicted or YOUR tolerance rose doesn't mean that everyone else's will. We all react differently.

There could be other things going on in your personal system that caused you to lose the magic.

I feel that achieving a good balance in physical, mental and emotional health helps to maximise the affects of recreational drug use. If you stay fit, eat well, love your gf/wife/partner, have good family relationships, etc. then everything will be better. There are so many factors about how we react to things in life, how happy we are in general and how we roll.

Thanks for your reply. Again, the vast majority of people who use or abuse MDMA regularly eventually experience loss of empathy and loved-up feelings and other desirable hallmarks of the MDMA experience. The frequency and dosage of usage appear to be directly co-related to how fast that happens for those users. If that were not the case and everyone could sustain weekly MDMA usage for indefinite lengths of time, then there would be a much reduced need for any harm reduction messages about frequency and dosage.

As with any pattern, there will be outliers. You are fortunate to be one of them if you were / are able to sustain weekly MDMA usage over an indefinite length of time without any loss of magic or other diminished effects.

Anyway, the main point of my earlier post was a not so subtle jab at people who try to bring in superfluous suggestions that MDMA discriminates based on an intangible label like citizenship. Unless science suggests otherwise, MDMA has the same pharmacological action on humans across the globe, including the generally reported loss of magic from certain frequencies and doses.

 

[bhamster]

Thanks for your reply. Again, the vast majority of people who use or abuse MDMA regularly eventually experience loss of empathy and loved-up feelings and other desirable hallmarks of the MDMA experience. The frequency and dosage of usage appear to be directly co-related to how fast that happens for those users. If that were not the case and everyone could sustain weekly MDMA usage for indefinite lengths of time, then there would be a much reduced need for any harm reduction messages about frequency and dosage.

As with any pattern, there will be outliers. You are fortunate to be one of them if you were / are able to sustain weekly MDMA usage over an indefinite length of time without any loss of magic or other diminished effects.

Anyway, the main point of my earlier post was a not so subtle jab at people who try to bring in superfluous suggestions that MDMA discriminates based on an intangible label like citizenship. Unless science suggests otherwise, MDMA has the same pharmacological action on humans across the globe, including the generally reported loss of magic from certain frequencies and doses.

Please cite your references for the statement "the vast majority of people who use or abuse MDMA regularly eventually experience loss of empathy and loved-up feelings and other desirable hallmarks of the MDMA experience" or are you just assuming that this is the case based on your personal experience and the experience of those around you?

 

[bhamster]

Thanks for your reply. Again, the vast majority of people who use or abuse MDMA regularly eventually experience loss of empathy and loved-up feelings and other desirable hallmarks of the MDMA experience.

You might also define "regularly" and "eventually" in context to your statement above. The whole argument sounds very generalized and subjective to me. Is regular use "once a month"? Is eventually "after 5 years of use?"

 

[foxyloxy55]

Thanks to Bluelight, I now have a pretty deep disgust for this phrase, due to it's overuse. Take a break, maybe you just had an off night, maybe you just don't enjoy the experience anymore, maybe you took something that was cut and hence didn't get a proper dose, maybe the set and setting wasn't right etc. Either way, quit using the phrase and scaring people into thinking they're gonna stop rolling after three times!

I've been rolling for ten years, and have never "lost the magic" despite some periods of heavy use. I never once even gave the concept any thought, and my rolls are as great as they always were. I don't think people realize how much anxiety can effect the way you think and feel. Stop worrying about losing the damn magic so much and you'll be fine!

 

[bhamster]

Thanks to Bluelight, I now have a pretty deep disgust for this phrase, due to it's overuse. Take a break, maybe you just had an off night, maybe you just don't enjoy the experience anymore, maybe you took something that was cut and hence didn't get a proper dose, maybe the set and setting wasn't right etc. Either way, quit using the phrase and scaring people into thinking they're gonna stop rolling after three times!

I've been rolling for ten years, and have never "lost the magic" despite some periods of heavy use. I never once even gave the concept any thought, and my rolls are as great as they always were. I don't think people realize how much anxiety can effect the way you think and feel. Stop worrying about losing the damn magic so much and you'll be fine!

Thanks! I was beginning to think that I was crazy, and have recently been told that I am the exception if I haven't lost the magic yet. lol. I always found that odd, because my wife feels the same way as I do and has rolled as much -- as have all of my friends who also do E. So there appear to be quite a few of us "exceptions" out there. I guess I'm glad to be one! lol

 

[rakketakke]

Thanks to Bluelight, I now have a pretty deep disgust for this phrase, due to it's overuse. Take a break, maybe you just had an off night, maybe you just don't enjoy the experience anymore, maybe you took something that was cut and hence didn't get a proper dose, maybe the set and setting wasn't right etc. Either way, quit using the phrase and scaring people into thinking they're gonna stop rolling after three times!

I've been rolling for ten years, and have never "lost the magic" despite some periods of heavy use. I never once even gave the concept any thought, and my rolls are as great as they always were. I don't think people realize how much anxiety can effect the way you think and feel. Stop worrying about losing the damn magic so much and you'll be fine!

My words exactly

 

[foxyloxy55]

Thanks! I was beginning to think that I was crazy, and have recently been told that I am the exception if I haven't lost the magic yet. lol. I always found that odd, because my wife feels the same way as I do and has rolled as much -- as have all of my friends who also do E. So there appear to be quite a few of us "exceptions" out there. I guess I'm glad to be one! lol

"The exception" meaning you guys never read or thought about "losing the magic" so it's not messing with your head, haha.

I had a friend who abused very heavily for years. In addition to that she did a lot of other drugs and just generally partied way to hard for years. She hates rolling now, but she just doesn't enjoy the experience anymore. Too much left a bad taste in her mouth. Like a food that you have eaten too many times.

For me, the experience has obviously changed over the ten years. I'm not the wide-eyed naive roller I once was. I think some people equate this to not being as "fucked up" but I see it as me growing up! And I like how clear headed I am when I roll now. Those that are nostalgic for the way things once were may view this as "losing the magic".

As far as I'm concerned there is an explanation for all of it. MDMA is the only drug that has a special name for the experience changing. It doesn't make any sense, and those of us who have been rolling for a long time and believe this seem to still be enjoying our rolls. Take long breaks, space your rolls out, test your stuff, roll in the right setting, and forget about the magic! There are plenty of people who have been able to enjoy this drug for a long time... there's no reason you can't to!

 

[mgmt&mdma]

If you are going through hell, keep going.
Winston Churchill

diggin this one

 

[vancbc]

Thanks for your reply. I knew it was only a matter of time before the demand for evidence was trotted out. As far as evidence demands go, it's certainly a fair request. One of the challenges with MDMA usage is that there is relatively little published research on the subject, so a general attitude of "prove it otherwise" exists which can be completely independent of the reality on the ground, for or against.

For anecdotal evidence I refer you to Anne Shulgin's experience with regular MDMA use, bluelight.ru, erowoid.org and dancesafe.org. Anecdotal evidence tells us nothing in concrete terms, so I will be researching and in short order posting the literature I have run across that supports that frequent and high dose MDMA usage leads to the set or subset of the phenomenon that is commonly termed "loss of magic". Conservatively speaking, perhaps only people who experience problems with MDMA frequent these websites with those who have no problems never frequenting them is a plausible yet unlikely possibility, so in a world where we must error on the side of conservatism I cede that point to you.

By the way, I think you are completely on track with the statements that eventually and regularly are relative terms. I took MDMA regularly for 10 years before I eventually burned out. What constitutes regularly and eventually are completely subjective to the individual. It would be just as fool hardy for me to say that every individual who uses MDMA on the same basis I did would reach the same conclusion at the same length of time, just as it would be equally foolish to assert that every individual who uses MDMA on your weekly frequency for indefinite periods of time would suffer no ill effects.

I awish for studies that demonstrate, on average, a person can use MDMA weekly for indefinite lengths of time with no deleterious effects experienced as loss of magic. In that case I would become an unfortunate outlier in the data set. In the absence of that evidence we must go on concensus and subjective experience which is that people report a diminishment in the experience and a loss of magic with long-term use, especially abuse - relatively speaking. We both know, or at least I know, what common experiential consensus on safe MDMA usage is at this time.

For what it's worth - I want you to be right. In my perfect world - the majority of MDMA users can use MDMA on a weekly (or daily) basis for an indefinite period, be that decades or score of years, and never suffer any subjective deleterious effects, regardless of real or imagined loss of magic. It would suck for me and anyone else who found that regular, long-term use (relatively speaking) leads to loss of magic to be the exception to the rule, but it would be a great stride for MDMA. Unfortunately, I don't see that message born out in anecdotal experience or both literature for or against MDMA (not to be confused with studies that show MDMA causes no long-term damage).

Stay tuned for links and sources....