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Opioids Shot up for first time, felt nothing?

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larry.sanders

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I've been insufflating heroin and other pain killers on and off for the past couple of years.

In the recent weeks, I've come into a bit of downtime (as well as some extra cash) and have been on a light H binge. I stopped for 7 days last week and snorted through 10 bags from Sunday night through Tuesday night.

Today I got another 10 and went to the needle exchange as I have been curious to see how intravenous compares to my usual method of consumption.

Read up a lot about how to do it, precautionary measures, etc. I have a set of clean needles, anti bacterial wipes, cottons, and a needle disposal case.

About 30 minutes ago I shot up 1 bag, pretty sure I followed everything to procedure, but have yet to get anything remotely stronger than what feels like a placebo buzz.

I always thought that once you shot up, you felt the effects pretty instantly. It's been a bit of a long time for me and I was just wondering if there are any common mistakes that I might have made--or if it's usual for it to creep up on you after you shoot--OR perhaps the stuff I got this time around isn't as potent as it usually is.

Any ideas?

Thanks in advance.
 
Iv heroin is much stronger than insufflation. When shooting, the rush should hit you pretty much instantly, at most within 15-20 seconds.. If you didn't feel anything, and are sure you hit the vein, then it seems logical that you just didn't do enough. It is possible you don't have good quality dope. Have you tried the same batch nasally? I have come across various batches where it would take me 3-4 bags IV to get a decent rush.

Also, are you positive you hit the vein? Did you get blood in the barrel before you pushed the shot in? If you missed, it would have stung, and left bit of a 'bubble' at the injection site.
 
craigyt2k said:
if its decent gear you WILL know if you get it right
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+1, absolutely no doubt about it.

Its seems you either:
– Missed the vein. This can happen even if you registered (pulled back and saw blood) before pushing the plunger. Even the slightest movement can push a needle through / out your vein, especially if your using large gauge needles and/or you have small veins.
– Didn't use enough dope / dope was bad quality.
– Went wrong somewhere in your cooking / mixing / drawing up process. I doubt this to be the case as its pretty basic.
 
haha you just fucked it up, probably didn't even hit a vein, you should have gotten someone to do it for you...
 
make sure you register. make sure the blood squirts up and pull back on the plunger to make sure its still flowing in red. then slowly, slowly push it back in. if you feel burning stop immediately and make sure you are still in the vein.

also, you may just underestimate your tolerance. which is much better than overestimating. you should shoot about 1/3 to 1/4 the dose you snort.
 
Im gonna have to agree with red rum. Ten bags in two plus days is quite a bit and would generate quite a bit of tolerance. Im guessing your not from minnesota as there is absolutely no reason to do ten bags in two days due to the quality we have here.
Im willing to bet the quality of the stuff youre doing isnt great either. Anyhow i would maybe try two bags at once and use only about sixty of water on your stick (unless youre using a half cc in which case, filler up) and do the whole shot. If you havent felt anything after that tell your dealer his/her stuff is no good.
Best of luck to you and please be careful.

Redrum i am also from Paul Bunyanville. Could you possibly email me?
 
Pretty sure I hit the vein as blood did come in. Going to try to shoot a full bag instead of the usual amount I'd snort for a buzz to see if it makes a difference. The tolerance could be an issue but the 10 bags I did was over the course of about 60 hours (was not very potent to begin with but it only took a couple lines before everything started to take effect.)

Thx for the advice guys--will report back with results soon.
 
larry.sanders said:
Pretty sure I hit the vein as blood did come in. Going to try to shoot a full bag instead of the usual amount I'd snort for a buzz to see if it makes a difference. The tolerance could be an issue but the 10 bags I did was over the course of about 60 hours (was not very potent to begin with but it only took a couple lines before everything started to take effect.)

Thx for the advice guys--will report back with results soon.
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It sounds like because of the insufflation you've upped your tolerance. Even though IV is more potent as we all know, you still can have a tolerance built up from all the snorting requiring you to do a bigger hit IV. I think this is the most likely scenario assuming you did actually hit the vein. No other real explanation.
 
shooting half as much as you snort is about the limit in my experience. I lived in house split 50/50 with people who shot and those that snorted. Typical IV dose was measured at 20 mg, typical IN dosage was 50-70 mg.

If the drugs enter your body parenteral (other than oral/rectal) the effective dose is the same. If you actually got that dose into you, whether SC/IM/IV, the eventual high is the same. The rush would be fucked, but the intensity should be identical. So my bet is that bag was off, or you lost the gear in your technique prepping the shot.

never shoot more than you snort.
 
lolitaofott said:
haha you just fucked it up, probably didn't even hit a vein, you should have gotten someone to do it for you...
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lol, well thats rather unhelpful reply.

give a man a shot, he'll be high for a day
teach a man to shoot, and he'll be high for a lifetime.

(sorry jesus... I had too) =D
 
This is just straight baffling. Just did the full bag diluted in 30 units of water....nothing. Definitely hit a vein. I am pulling the plunger back to make sure I hit the vein and I have a really visible veins that make this easy.

T-3 minutes from shooting the bag and I feel a little effect. Maybe movies and TV shows created the expectation that shooting it would have me immediately almost nodding off. Maybe due to my nasally driven tolerance over the past few days I just need more than usual?

Gear is also from a different guy so could be less potent than my usual source.


Stupid question: Are there people out there who do not react to intravenous, but do from insufflation?
 
there are no stupid questions, only stupid people.

The answer is an absolute NO- your bloodstream is the only route from your nose (or any other part of your body) to your brain, where the magic happens. When you inject, you circumvent all the barriers (and there are plenty) between your nose and your blood. Snorting stuff is like firing a cannonball through a brick wall; injecting is like firing a cannonball straight into your brain.

You mucked up the prep- thats the only explanation

THOUGH subjectively, even though its stronger IV, I enjoy the high of opiates more IN. Its more tactile somehow...cant really explain it- but really, An IV shot of 20 mg of pure heroin will put you out, and have your pals scrambling for the naloxone. I've only ever been the one scrambling, never the one enjoying the limits of existence... but I am the 'doc' of my circle, afterall.

On the topic, if you dont have a vial of naloxone and have friends in Chicago (or other sensible places) you need one, and they can provide it through local harm-reduction facilities. It has saved the lives of 3 different friends, and one friend twice SO FAR! Before the naloxone was around, I had to AR/CPR a friend back to life for 45 mins, so even just in terms of expediency its much much better (not to mention saving you the horror of doing chest compressions on a blue friend in the middle of nowhere, which haunts my dreams even a year or so later.)

Why the fuck dont they sell naloxone EVERYWHERE?!
 
Most recent attempt has been a success! Nodding off pretty immediately.

I can see why this is so appealing, but with the sacrifice of the well known withdrawal symptoms. I think I'll be sticking to the recreational snorting as I used to, but once I got it "right", the IV high is incomparable.
 
larry.sanders said:
Most recent attempt has been a success! Nodding off pretty immediately.

I can see why this is so appealing, but with the sacrifice of the well known withdrawal symptoms. I think I'll be sticking to the recreational snorting as I used to, but once I got it "right", the IV high is incomparable.
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Just be careful if you really mean this. You'll have to be very disciplined and alert to keep from slipping into the IV game, now that you've tasted. Not that its not possible, just very difficult. Know and watch for the signs so you don't wake up one day and say, "how did this happen?"
 
It's possible to feel nothing because of tolerance... Ive been on dilaudid for over two years, first 18 months was plugging, then IV.

I tried H a little while back and felt nothing but a mild buzz for 10 mins or so. It was tar and I tried 3 times, the last one doing 3 bags at once.

Tolerance sucks!
 
FYI- Withdrawal is not just an IV problem. If you need to snort a bag to get high, you'll be experience WDs in short order... unless that shit is only less than 10-15% pure.

A bag is 100 mg, right? here its in 'folds' that are "200" mgs, really they're 160-180 mgs but its always 90% pure and up.
 
ektamine said:
Just be careful if you really mean this. You'll have to be very disciplined and alert to keep from slipping into the IV game, now that you've tasted. Not that its not possible, just very difficult. Know and watch for the signs so you don't wake up one day and say, "how did this happen?"
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Thanks for the warning. I know I am on a slippery slope right now, but my curiosity got the better of me.

I put the remainder of my gear away to get my tolerance back down and quit the IV usage. Also ditched the needles after the last time I shot up moments ago (heaven)
 
docs - docs said:
FYI- Withdrawal is not just an IV problem. If you need to snort a bag to get high, you'll be experience WDs in short order... unless that shit is only less than 10-15% pure.

A bag is 100 mg, right? here its in 'folds' that are "200" mgs, really they're 160-180 mgs but its always 90% pure and up.
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Where are you that you get dope that is "90 percent and up"? Consistently for that matter? It's less than that before it even gets into the country most of the time..
 
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