My taper schedual.

[shady4091]

Okay, so I've already been tapering my poppy seed tea dose for about three weeks, but it's been unscheduled. I Have been just dropping my dose by some decent amount every week, but I know I can't continue this way. If I want to have any success at all I have to make a schedule and STICK TO IT.

So here's what I've come up with. I would greatly appreciate your input, whether you think I might be going too fast, or not fast enough. I've never done this before so I'm not too sure how it's going to go. Let it be known that I was using, at the peak of my addiction, up to 5kg TWICE a day. Luckily I only did this for a couple months and dropping down to 1.5kg once a day has been relatively easy. Though I am suffering from some depression already.

PST Taper Schedual

Feb 15 - 1.5kg
Feb 16 - 1.5kg
Feb 17 - 1.5kg
Feb 18 - 1.5kg
Feb 19 - 1.5kg
Feb 20 - 1.5kg
Feb 21 - 1.5kg

Feb 22 - 1.0kg
Feb 23 - 1.0kg
Feb 24 - 1.0kg
Feb 25 - 1.0kg
Feb 26 - 1.0kg
Feb 27 - 1.0kg
Feb 28 - 1.0kg

Mar 01 - .75kg
Mar 02 - .75kg
Mar 03 - .75kg
Mar 04 - .75kg
Mar 05 - .75kg
Mar 06 - .75kg
Mar 07 - .75kg

Mar 08 - .50kg
Mar 09 - .50kg
Mar 10 - .50kg
Mar 11 - .50kg
Mar 12 - .50kg
Mar 13 - .50kg
Mar 14 - .50kg

Switch to Codeine

Mar 15 - 200mg
Mar 16 - 200mg
Mar 17 - 200mg
Mar 18 - 200mg
Mar 19 - 200mg
Mar 20 - 200mg
Mar 21 - 200mg

Mar 22 - 150mg
Mar 23 - 150mg
Mar 24 - 150mg
Mar 25 - 150mg
Mar 26 - 150mg
Mar 27 - 150mg
Mar 28 - 150mg

Mar 29 - 100mg
Mar 30 - 100mg
Mar 31 - 100mg
Apr 01 - 100mg
Apr 02 - 100mg
Apr 03 - 100mg
Apr 04 - 100mg

End

Is the switch to Codeine really a good idea, or should I just continue the taper off the Poppy Seeds?

 

[cyrax99]

I'd go by .25 kg at a time for less strain on your body. Also, I came off OC using a taper schedule, and I found going down to a very small amount was the best for me. I would further taper from .50 kg down to where you are at a bare minimum. As for switching to Codeine, I'd do the Codeine for a week or less to avoid switching addictions my friend, or you'll be in the same hole. There will be some discomfort, and you may experience PAWS for quite a while, but three weeks isn't anything severe, so I couldn't see it taking more than a couple weeks to be feeling pretty good again. The key is to MEASURE the doses like you are doing, because if you guess, you'll just wind up binging. I think you can do this without too much problem, I'm glad you nipped it in the bud so early.

 

[Bojangles69]

Look man I think schedules are great but they can also cause a lot more bullshit than you think.

Use the schedule as a guideline to stay focused on. But I find every single time I taper off pods I always wind up veering from the taper schedule.
For instance I've been tapering for 3 1/2 - 4 weeks. Got myself down from 140gms (which is a heavy dose) to 25gms. I have barely had any physical wds at all. But yesterday I had to go back up to 40gms.
Its very possible the way I taper to not experience any physical wds at all. I've done it for so long now I just know my body to a t which helps a ton. I am actually not tapering anymore to battle the physical wds, its 100% for the depression. I think if you have the discipline to taper (Its not as difficult as people think imo) then taper SLOW. Well what I mean is get low fast, then once your low you might have to go back up a bit and come back down just to handle that initial drop depression wise.

Like I did a speed taper from 140gms to 25gms, was able to do it just at the right speed where like I said no physical wds. But the depression at 25gms was a nightmare. That doesn't mean 25gms will be a "sticky point" by any means. That means I just tapered to fast and 25gms became my "alarm" for telling me that.
I was getting very depressed and cravings come strong when you're depressed. I just wasn't feeling right so I went back up to 40gms. Now I'm going to slow down the tapering a bit so it gives my EMOTIONS time to catch up with the taper.
Always taper at a rate your mind feels comfortable. I use to gauge it by my body but thats useless now imo. Because you'll wind up tapering so slow at the end, once you jump off you will likely have tapered through any paws that would have came from cold turkeying.

But how I plan to "jump off" is I'm making sugar/homeopathic capsules with a mg scale and the tiniest amount of powdered pods you can imagine. I'm using as many as I need to stave off the depression it will be doing like a seperate but final taper using just the low dosed homeopathic capsules.

 

[shady4091]

Well like I said I've been tapering for a few weeks now and my daily get-high dose was 5kg twice a day so I've already taken a huge plunge from that. I'm noticing a lot of depression already but what I like about this is it seems like it's almost preparing me more for the PAWS. Basically I feel like I'm already going through PAWS cause I am NOT getting high anymore. I actually wake up in WD every day now.

Cyrax - I will see what happens when I make the drop from 1.5 to 1.0 and if it's too much to handle I'll go back up to 1.25. And I would MUCH rather be addicted to Codeine once a day than this shit. That's how I used to be before I discovered poppy seeds. God, I used to think those withdrawals were bad... I WISH I could go back to just those WD's.

But you're right, my ultimate goal here is getting off everything.

 

[cyrax99]

You have to look deeper, your mindset is not that of one who is thinking in the right way to beat addiction. In my opinion looking at it as "I'd rather be addicted to this, than that!" is a horrible way to look at it. Ultimately you want out of addiction to get your life back, because it has a way of controlling every aspect of one's life, even in the most subliminal ways. Is being addicted to Codeine probably an easier withdrawl? Sure. But you're doing this to get your life back, and ANY substance having control over your life isn't optimal. This isn't about what addiction is easier, this is about getting out of addiction. The biggest misconception I see from people is that there is some easy way out. Until one is willing to accept that it is a long battle and struggle, they will never get better. Everyone is always looking for the miracle cure with no discomfort, they usually wind up hooked on Methadone or Subs, or plain relapsing. You have to have the mindset "yes, this will be incredibly hard, but I am going to do whatever it takes." I had a relatively short habit on OC/Heroin of 6 months, and it took me a good three and a half months to feel like myself again. It is a battle, one that CAN be won, but requires dedication. I am trying to help here, and I am not putting you down, I just saw you exhibiting a mindset that will put you right back in the hole. Don't look at it as "Codeine addiction is better than poppy addiction" because no matter what, as long as you're addicted, your life isn't really in your own control.

 

[shady4091]

You have to look deeper, your mindset is not that of one who is thinking in the right way to beat addiction. In my opinion looking at it as "I'd rather be addicted to this, than that!" is a horrible way to look at it. Ultimately you want out of addiction to get your life back, because it has a way of controlling every aspect of one's life, even in the most subliminal ways. Is being addicted to Codeine probably an easier withdrawl? Sure. But you're doing this to get your life back, and ANY substance having control over your life isn't optimal. This isn't about what addiction is easier, this is about getting out of addiction. The biggest misconception I see from people is that there is some easy way out. Until one is willing to accept that it is a long battle and struggle, they will never get better. Everyone is always looking for the miracle cure with no discomfort, they usually wind up hooked on Methadone or Subs, or plain relapsing. You have to have the mindset "yes, this will be incredibly hard, but I am going to do whatever it takes." I had a relatively short habit on OC/Heroin of 6 months, and it took me a good three and a half months to feel like myself again. It is a battle, one that CAN be won, but requires dedication. I am trying to help here, and I am not putting you down, I just saw you exhibiting a mindset that will put you right back in the hole. Don't look at it as "Codeine addiction is better than poppy addiction" because no matter what, as long as you're addicted, your life isn't really in your own control.

You're absolutely right, and in no way was I saying that I'm going to switch from one to the other. I was merely using it as an example of how being addicted to Codeine eventually led me to poppy tea (a much more debilitating drug), exactly as you've stated will happen again and I totally agree. Although I was MUCH happier when I was only addicted to Codeine, eventually it just wasn't enough. As you can see from my schedule, I do plan on dropping the codeine as well. I think it might be a good idea to only do it for a week like you mentioned, but in retrospect it completely depends on how low my tolerance is after tapering the seeds. If I find that I make the switch and 200mg of Codeine actually gets me high (doubtful), then there's no point in even doing it, and I might as well just stop right there.

Please don't doubt my sincerity in wanting to quit. I really want it. Like nothing else in the world right now!

 

[oliphill]

Good luck!

The thing is it's really only when you come off everything that it gets hard.

You could quite easily jump down at a faste rate to say .75kg, then to .25kg. It wont be that hard, after 2 or 3 days you'll be adjusted to that dose. You wanna get as low as possible and let some of the withdrawals out while you still got opiates in your system. It may sound daunting but I would say you're best bet of actually doing this would be to try something like 3 more days on 1.5, 5 days 0.75, 5 days 0.25, then last 5 days do 0.25,0.20,0.15,0.10,0.05, just so you have a little tiny bit those last few days, getting some of the w/ds out and preparing your body for the shock of zero opiates. Wouldn't bother with the codiene

Me personally, I had to go to rehab in the end, after trying so so many times to taper down, I just couldnt do it on my own.

Good luck tho man, bet you're looking forward to being alive again!