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Schizophrenia-Psychedelics-Ever experience?

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Have you seen LSD or shrooms send someone to the ward? It rarely, rarely, happens, but it does happen. Any experiences of the 1% who go "crazy"? What draws the line between the "crazy" and the "sane"?
 
Yes. My current boyfriend. However, it was a semi-pre-existing condition beforehand, so it wasn't like a healthy brain getting screwed over. It was an already compromised brain getting screwed over.


The line? When you stop acting like yourself. When suddenly you can't make up your mind about the simplest things, are paranoid and skeptical of everyone around you. When you start to believe really bizarre things that aren't true, and aren't of your nature to believe etc.
 
Belief in God is a red herring in terms of mental status. Unless your formerly quiet friend turns into a rampaging bible thumper after an acid trip, I wouldn't worry. Psychedelics are well known for inducing spiritual experiences.

[edit: You're asking a hard question. What is sanity anyway?]
 
What I'm getting at is believing things that are "bizzare" is hard to do. Bizarre is taboo. To challenge taboo is to (in most cases) accepting you will be labeled insane or unstable or unreliable. Wadsworth, I'm interested in a detailed as possible case of why your bf had a comprimised brain. If you don't want to tell me, simply tell me. I've been in the position of where I "knew" the world around me was a game that was "serious", and I had to win. Paranoia was a key factor in this; a key tool. Sometimes people don't know themselves, and paranoia escalates this to a level most people are unwilling to deal with, because they see it for what it is. So for what it is worth, wadsworth, give me details. If I can help your situation I can help mine.
 
rollingstoned! said:
Have you seen LSD or shrooms send someone to the ward? It rarely, rarely, happens, but it does happen. Any experiences of the 1% who go "crazy"? What draws the line between the "crazy" and the "sane"?
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Why choose psychedelics to focus on tho? Obviously far more people "go crazy" from having a job or their girlfriend leaving them. There's countless stories of people going back to their workplace with an automatic weapon and shooting the boss. Are they crazy or sane?
 
I am not focusing on girlfriends or jobs as catalysts for "disorders". I am focusing on 5-HT2A partial agonists/psychedelics. This is the point of this thread. I want detailed information on why psychedelics keep 99% of people more sane and why those 1% go off into oblivion. I am focusing on the what defines/defies disorder. I want to know what people in this forum think of disorders. Most of all, I want to start to find a way to pull those affected of insanity, into what we know as sanity.

The hole of paranoia, power, and depersonalization is hard to retrieve from. I wish to develop a method to do so. Psychedelic drugs have the capacity to hit a level that jobs and girlfriends can't. This is why I choose to focus on psychedelic drugs.
 
I want detailed information on why psychedelics keep 99% of people more sane and why those 1% go off into oblivion.

Is this true tho? I know there's the urban myths of "My mate knows a bloke in the next town who thinks he's a glass of orange juice" but is there any evidence to support the theory that LSD has any effect on schizophrenia? The schizophrenia rates have remained constant for the last 100 years - you'd think they'd have increased since the 50's if psychedelics had any relation to it.
 
rollingstoned! said:
I am not focusing on girlfriends or jobs as catalysts for "disorders". I am focusing on 5-HT2A partial agonists/psychedelics. This is the point of this thread. I want detailed information on why psychedelics keep 99% of people more sane and why those 1% go off into oblivion. I am focusing on the what defines/defies disorder. I want to know what people in this forum think of disorders. Most of all, I want to start to find a way to pull those affected of insanity, into what we know as sanity.

The hole of paranoia, power, and depersonalization is hard to retrieve from. I wish to develop a method to do so. Psychedelic drugs have the capacity to hit a level that jobs and girlfriends can't. This is why I choose to focus on psychedelic drugs.
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Dang, sounds like some deep waters you're expecting to go through.
Let us know how your journey goes.
 
Ismene said:
I want detailed information on why psychedelics keep 99% of people more sane and why those 1% go off into oblivion.

Is this true tho? I know there's the urban myths of "My mate knows a bloke in the next town who thinks he's a glass of orange juice" but is there any evidence to support the theory that LSD has any effect on schizophrenia? The schizophrenia rates have remained constant for the last 100 years - you'd think they'd have increased since the 50's if psychedelics had any relation to it.
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Causing it and bringing it out and making it 100x worse than it would have been otherwise are different things. Schizophrenia rates have stayed the same, yes, but that doesn't mean that people that lost it on LSD wasn't alot more affected than if they wasn't.. a patient could be diagnosed with having schizophrenia, have a couple of minor episodes and that it.. that same person could have taken LSD and been sent to the psych ward for a long time..
 
I am focusing on the what defines/defies disorder
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Look up psychosis, drug induced psychosis, schizophrenia, depersonalization, derealization, delusions, paranoid delusions, paranoia, etc, etc..
 
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I wrote up a long post, but this topic is too complex for me to be satisfied with anything i write, lol. I would suggest looking into spirituality and it's relation to psychedelics, especially DMT. This may provide information on the process of how people reach this point of "mental collapse", i myself went through periods of psychosis and depersonalization in the past and it took "alot" of integral work before i was able to put the pieces together, so to speak. :)
 
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rollingstoned! said:
Have you seen LSD or shrooms send someone to the ward?
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Yes, amongst other substances.

Out of the countless individuals I have introduced to psychedelics, only one has had a long-lasting negative reaction (HPPD). Few have had to be hospitalized but with no long-term negative impact on their lives. Mostly the people who seem to succumb to mental dysfunction were odd birds to begin with, and went overboard with their experimentation (especially with LSD).


It rarely, rarely, happens, but it does happen. Any experiences of the 1% who go "crazy"?
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Paranoia and anxiety seem to be the running constants amongst those with wrecked minds. Those prone to violence become more easily agitated, and they all become quite pedantic on the topic of psychedelics. It seems once you've had a bad experience or suffered negative artifacts from a psychedelic experience, you designate yourself as the poster-child for why you should not take psychedelics and don't mind preaching this position to everyone.

What draws the line between the "crazy" and the "sane"?
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Not knowing or not caring that you have a pre-existing family history of mental disorder and still taking psychedelics makes you pretty fucking crazy.

Crazy is just being incapable of following societal norms. If you gain no pleasure from the norms, or feel constrained within them, you are bound to lose yourself in the far recesses of your mind. Some recovered psychotics strongly hold that culture leads to a furthering of existing dysfunction. If I was to go out on a limb, I would simply state that psychedelics make those already prone to psychosis aware of the neurosis of their culture and are unable to recover from that shock.
 
one of my best friends (hes around 22 - when schizophrenia tends to hit) got really into DMT, smoking over an ounce in a month which triggered him to go insane - he hasnt been the same since - been in and out of mental wards since. He hears voices which he says are the annunaki gods - he has jumped out of cars, he burns himself, etc.

It's a sad case.

I also out of personal experiance have had an almost 6 month long psychosis from over indulgence in RC psychedelics, acid and DMT where I took ecvery single thing as a personal message to me, and everytime i smoked pot I thought I was god because everyone around me would tell me I was
 
I think sanity/insanity and any mental "illnesses" are just bullshit labels. like previously posted, it is obvious culture and society have a heavy influence on our personalities and one's mental processes. but who is some psychiatrist to claim that personal beliefs or behavior is always a precursor to psychological instability? its stupid to think everyones biology is similar enough to be categorized as disorders.

If it is in fact a disease you could "catch" like HIV or the flu, there would be a virus, bacteria, not mystery surrounding its pathology. There's no cellular basis to mental illness, yet its something you "have" or don't have. Consider disorders like ADD, anxiety, or bipolar I and II - i think we all know someone who's been diagnosed with one of those (or has diagnosed themselves).
 
Actually, I recently read in Scientific American that a few scientists are exploring the possibility of a virus having something to do with schizophrenia. I can't go into depth here, as I don't particularly feel like digging for that issue on my bookshelf, but those interested should check it out.
 
I haven't witnessed anyone become mentally affected directly from a trip. But I am aware of people who delved into psychedelics frequently - mainly weed and LSD and as a result one person has been determined psychotic, has real crazy mood swings and blacks out with flashbacks - I don't know much about these, seems like a dark place so not something I discuss with the person. Another has been determined to have psychotic depression - although I'm not entirely sure if this is the correct definition, as from what I gather this is a real infrequent thing to come across, he feels distant from reality and is confident in saying it and is heavily aware of it he has frequent depressed thoughts, etc too.
Although it's also worth noting these have came from years of heavy drug abuse, so I would expect some psychotic symptoms to appear eventually, but these increased rapidly after abusing psychedelics.

deez_nuggs said:
I think sanity/insanity and any mental "illnesses" are just bullshit labels. like previously posted, it is obvious culture and society have a heavy influence on our personalities and one's mental processes. but who is some psychiatrist to claim that personal beliefs or behavior is always a precursor to psychological instability? its stupid to think everyones biology is similar enough to be categorized as disorders.
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I disagree, some people really do suffer from mental illnesses. I believe some are labelled incorrectly, as from what I gather anyone who thinks outside the box could be deemed mentally unstable in some way or another. But it's definitely something that exists, people do hear voices and question their sanity, hallucinations, etc it's something that I think is hard to believe until witnessing someone who suffers from it.
 
deez_nuggs said:
I think sanity/insanity and any mental "illnesses" are just bullshit labels. like previously posted, it is obvious culture and society have a heavy influence on our personalities and one's mental processes. but who is some psychiatrist to claim that personal beliefs or behavior is always a precursor to psychological instability? its stupid to think everyones biology is similar enough to be categorized as disorders.

If it is in fact a disease you could "catch" like HIV or the flu, there would be a virus, bacteria, not mystery surrounding its pathology. There's no cellular basis to mental illness, yet its something you "have" or don't have. Consider disorders like ADD, anxiety, or bipolar I and II - i think we all know someone who's been diagnosed with one of those (or has diagnosed themselves).
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since when are there no pathologies for any mental illnesses? Wtf are you talking about?

if you don't think bipolar is real you're just ignorant. my dad has severe bipolar disorder and it is VERY apparent and very debilitating. there have been numerous clear cases of schizophrenia in society and these people are very obviously sick.

overdiagnosis is one thing but to claim the nonexistence of these illnesses is just retarded.
 
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