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edtree

edtree

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Hello fellow Aussie BL'ers.
Does anyone know how to manage the day after iv H. This one has problems with a 'sick feeling' and some minor aches and pains but can not afford (even his very moderate) daily use so has to find a way of not re-visiting more than once a week. That's all well and good however the physical symptoms combine with the cravings and best intentions get the bucket!
Does Sanex work? Will a high dose CWE get me through? Tomorrow's 'D' day friends
and I absolutely have to wait a week so any (solid) advice is appreciated!
Hari Om
edtree
P.s No intention of stopping here just of finding a way to manage better : )
 
CWE will certainly help your withdrawal syptoms, as would any other opiate... But it won't help your life. A once a week habit usually doesn't stop at once a week.
 
rebound effects can be beaten off without the use of other opiates. first off i'd opt to go for a walk somewhere nice and do some exercise or keep busy with a hobby to keep you occupied. a low dose of xanax will help with the irritability and anxiety, keep in mind addictive also.

have you tried immodium (loperamide)? it's an opiate as well, essential in a withdrawal kit, helps with diarrhea.
 
leftwing said:
rebound effects can be beaten off without the use of other opiates. first off i'd opt to go for a walk somewhere nice and do some exercise or keep busy with a hobby to keep you occupied. a low dose of xanax will help with the irritability and anxiety, keep in mind addictive also.

have you tried immodium (loperamide)? it's an opiate as well, essential in a withdrawal kit, helps with diarrhea.
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Did a CWE today when it all got too much. Have found that although I do believe H is an excellent pain manager I'm not one of those who can keep any within reach and not use (and it's not for the high sheet I wasn't using enough to nod) as the freedom from pain and the resulting energy level leap are just too attractive.
Hell though, these w'd's really are something even at my use (2 hits from a $50).
I went for a surf left wing but geez did I feel like sheet and your right about the diarreah (it must have been the H cause the surf was tiny : ). I will get some immodium and sannex tomorrow if it's still bad.
Thanks all
Hari Om
Is the runs your body cleaning house?
edtree
 
The diarrhea isn't cleansing. When you are dependent on opioids, the receptors though out your body down regulate in an attempt to normalize, including the opioid receptors in your gut. These receptors slow down the rate at which digested food passes through your bowels, causing them to be sucked dry of all moisture and to become hard and compact; the constipation.

When you then go into WD, your receptors are still down regulated and the lack of an opioid to balance that out causes matter to just pass right through very quickly; the diarrhea.
 
Xanax will help short term but I highly advise against using it because a xanax habit at any level is worse than opiate/heroin withdrawals/habit etc...

Maybe you need to get on bupe man? Noone can afford a H habit in Australia unless your a prostitute, rich or you doing some other criminal activity. Unfortunately(for me at least) it cant be done.
 
edtree said:
Hello fellow Aussie BL'ers.
Does anyone know how to manage the day after iv H. This one has problems with a 'sick feeling' and some minor aches and pains but can not afford (even his very moderate) daily use so has to find a way of not re-visiting more than once a week. That's all well and good however the physical symptoms combine with the cravings and best intentions get the bucket!
Does Sanex work? Will a high dose CWE get me through? Tomorrow's 'D' day friends
and I absolutely have to wait a week so any (solid) advice is appreciated!
Hari Om
edtree
P.s No intention of stopping here just of finding a way to manage better : )
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I suggest seeking medical treatment asap. How long have u been using it for? Goin cold turkey isnt the best idea especially if u have been on it for a while. I suggest looking into subutex. BTW its xanax which is a benzos not an opiate and will in no way replace such a powerful drug nor reduce WD symptoms.

A CWE might help but again its nothing compared to h and u cant keep redosing it constantly all day long as that would be 1. too expensive 2. ineffective 3. Ud build up tolerance within a very short time. Again my suggestion is to seek help. I have that planned as well as im WD-ing from Hydromorphone, morphine, codeine and alprazolams. Good luck with it man and stay strong.

There has been alot of people who managed to successfully stop using it. U need sumfn to wean urself off of sumfn that will resemble an opiate or mimic the effects and stop WD-s. Once u acheive that u can work on completely stopping for good. I wish u luck during this hard time.


Edit: Just read the bottom part regarding not wanting to stop. Ps: the cravings and WD symptoms will get worse n worse after time.
 
On my last detox I found Xanax and Valium to help my withdrawal symptoms by making the aches and pains more tolerable, and helping me to sleep. Another I used for sleep was Catapres (Clonidine) which really helped. Loperamide helps with diarrheah and Buscopan helps the stomach cramps. Nothing, apart from opiates, is going to "fix" you though.
 
Thanking everyone for the time you have taken to respond. I very much appreciate your kindness. Still here and still using though! The worst part for me, even with all those physical extremes, is the Hunger. Trouble is that the wd's as badass as they were still seem worth going through as the alternative to not using is reality ..... and that really sucks : )
<3
Hari Om
edtree
 
the_ketaman said:
Xanax will help short term but I highly advise against using it because a xanax habit at any level is worse than opiate/heroin withdrawals/habit etc...

Maybe you need to get on bupe man? Noone can afford a H habit in Australia unless your a prostitute, rich or you doing some other criminal activity. Unfortunately(for me at least) it cant be done.
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I would definitely try Bupe. Can I ask though; does it help with general pain management? Do you just declare to a gp that you are using H and want to stop?
Thanks ketaman if you have time to answer.
Hari Om
edtree
 
Hi been reading some of ur posts and the responses, I am a user as well and when i read ur comment that u use once a week, well that was me, but to not have to deal with the WD i just took more H, there was a post that said to take valium DO NOT do this if u r using as it can cause death. Immodium will help with dia, but only slightly adn in the edn the only thing that will help is more H.

Where in OZ r u?
 
edtree said:
I would definitely try Bupe. Can I ask though; does it help with general pain management? Do you just declare to a gp that you are using H and want to stop?
Thanks ketaman if you have time to answer.
Hari Om
edtree
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Hi Ed,

Bupe can help with general pain management...has some slight mood lifting effects as well, and since it lasts all day it's not the up and down of heroin and the like.

are your pain problems fairly constant?

Do you just declare to a gp that you are using H and want to stop?
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Yep. You have to find a GP who's been through a opiate maintenance course though, they're the only ones authorized to prescribe. Someone should be able to help you find one nearby.

I'm a bit hesitant to recommend buprenorphine for someone with what sounds like a pretty small habit...if you're on the stuff for years it can be a bit tricky to get off, although it's do-able. After having those opioid receptors filled for so long there's a readjustment period when you stop.

It sounds like from your posts you're gonna have a real tough time quitting and abstaining :\ For that reason bupe might be a good thing...it'll give you some stability, and in the future maybe you'll be in a better place and be able to come off it?

Bupe is definitely better than you slowly falling under the spell of heroin...but you want to consider it carefully. Most doctors you see won't bat an eyelid at getting you on maintenance, it's a big decision though. Maybe better to stop the heroin use this way before it turns to abuse.

One last tip - don't let the doctor put you on some crazy amount of bupe. It's unnecessary for a modest habit but they sometimes insist...if you're anything like me you might think 'oh..bigger dose? yes please' but it doesn't work that way...lower doses seem to work better for me and other people I've talked to.

Something else to consider would be seeing some kind of pain management specialist. They might have more knowledge about your situation, and maybe prescribe bupe....or even better figure out something non-opiate.

Good luck :)
 
Hello fellow Aussie BL'ers.
Does anyone know how to manage the day after iv H. This one has problems with a 'sick feeling' and some minor aches and pains but can not afford (even his very moderate) daily use so has to find a way of not re-visiting more than once a week. That's all well and good however the physical symptoms combine with the cravings and best intentions get the bucket!
Does Sanex work? Will a high dose CWE get me through? Tomorrow's 'D' day friends
and I absolutely have to wait a week so any (solid) advice is appreciated!
Hari Om
edtree
P.s No intention of stopping here just of finding a way to manage better : )
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No-one can manage a heroin habit.

It's pronounced Xanax, and no, it won't help you.

You should probably contemplate going on a maintenance program, i.e. Methadone/Subutex/Subuxone, if you have the attitude that you have right now with regards to needles and heroin use.

Yes, a cold water extract would work. I'd say about 2 x 30 packets of Ibuprofen with Codeine.

Take it easy bro.

We don't want to see another life fucked by a needle in the vein here up in the BL domain!
 
^_^ Think you'll find it's spelled Xanax Squiggle and pronounced the way I spelled it as I am basically illiterate and spell phonetically (my goodness how rude) LOL hahaha : D

Been a bit reticent regarding fessing to the doc as worried about being registered n such. Anyway been bidding some time on oxy's and cwe's. Pains the same though but going for some Quortisone?(fuk how'd you pronounce that one Squiggle : )
You know, really didn't think I'd have that much trouble on such small amounts but there you go.
Hari Om
edtree
 
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satricion said:
Some docs are very supportive. I had a mate who fessed up to his gp and got a benzo script as well as some anti nausea tablets.
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Yeah your right. I found a doc (and colleagues) at my local centre who is quite happy to script me oxys. It's been working quite well and I have not found the need to chase H for quite a bit. In fact I sat there whilst to addict friends iv'd,was invited to take a taste and easily said no (well maybe 'easily' is a stretch lol)

Read recently that psychological addiction to morphine lasts a life-time, so got plenty o time to work on that one too :D

Hari Om
edtree

Oh and Squig, that's a bonus; thanks for the spell check : D The guy I scored from knew what I meant haha. The cold wash was an excellent buffer but I used 36 P/deine extras which were cheap and quick!
 
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Christ! said:
Hi Ed,

Bupe can help with general pain management...has some slight mood lifting effects as well, and since it lasts all day it's not the up and down of heroin and the like.

are your pain problems fairly constant?



Yep. You have to find a GP who's been through a opiate maintenance course though, they're the only ones authorized to prescribe. Someone should be able to help you find one nearby.

I'm a bit hesitant to recommend buprenorphine for someone with what sounds like a pretty small habit...if you're on the stuff for years it can be a bit tricky to get off, although it's do-able. After having those opioid receptors filled for so long there's a readjustment period when you stop.

It sounds like from your posts you're gonna have a real tough time quitting and abstaining :\ For that reason bupe might be a good thing...it'll give you some stability, and in the future maybe you'll be in a better place and be able to come off it?

Bupe is definitely better than you slowly falling under the spell of heroin...but you want to consider it carefully. Most doctors you see won't bat an eyelid at getting you on maintenance, it's a big decision though. Maybe better to stop the heroin use this way before it turns to abuse.

One last tip - don't let the doctor put you on some crazy amount of bupe. It's unnecessary for a modest habit but they sometimes insist...if you're anything like me you might think 'oh..bigger dose? yes please' but it doesn't work that way...lower doses seem to work better for me and other people I've talked to.

Something else to consider would be seeing some kind of pain management specialist. They might have more knowledge about your situation, and maybe prescribe bupe....or even better figure out something non-opiate.

Good luck :)
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Mate thanks ever-so for the advice : )
Waiting on the questionnaire from a pain management clinic now. Still stumbling at admitting H use to the doc.
Pain frequent abrupt and often debilitating. Before self-medicating I used to spend many days in bed wanting to die. Ha and it's said crime don't pay : D
I'm just a worn out old fart Christ but I have to soldier on for a few more years (sob sob, tiny violin, hahaha) so trying to do it with a smile! Will just have to get my head around the doctor issue guess.
 
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