Bupe Why am I so sensitive to suboxone?

[Opioid420z]

Got a freak'n family loan to see a dr yesterday recommended on this site from my family to get the strips. I was so excited, I get home withdrawl kicks in, I open the pouch and take the strip, cut in in 3/4 and place under tounge. I am so god dam sensitive to the taste of it that I immediatly started throwing up, cringing and holding my nose. The rest of the night was just a complete nightmare... All night throwing up, chills, very weak, lots of tears running down my face. I"M STUCK!!! I need help and advice. I know this isn't an easy thing to kick being hooked on oxy, yet I have such better results from methadone. So much easier to take, way more effective, and completely agree's with my body. Suboxone is poison to me personally, and I am very very disapointed. I was forced to use again today and get 3 blue's and well, back to square one. I really do wana quit yet just the thought of the fact that I have to take suboxone everyday is haunting me and I just can't do it..... I"m really looking into immodium therapy for me. I have had great results with it in the past and honestly, I feel that it is my only option left. I don't wana do the methadone thing everyday, and I can't take suboxone cause of my inablility to stomach the drug. I"m so fustrated... My use right now is under 100mgs a day of oxy and that is a lot..... I'm really considering checking into the emergency room with no insurance and going into a detox program. Do they have to take me in? Even if I don't have insurance? Honestly, I"m at the point that if I end up owing them 10,000 dollars for a fuck'n week then I guess I"m just gona have to fork over the dough in monthly payments. I have no other option. I paid fuck'n 150 to see the doctor then another 40 for the perscription of 14 strips cause of the coupon. Help me family, I can't get methadone on the street and my sub doctor won't perscribe it and doesn't. Fuck'n asshole doctor won't even give me subutex the fuck'n prick... He thinks I"m gona shoot it!!!!! LOL... I don't use needles....... never have.... I have seen how effective shooting heroin is first hand, yet wanted to stay with sniffing roxies. How can I go about an immodium taper and how should I go about it?

I told the doctor that suboxone is just as potent as methadone and that 16 mgs of suboxone is equal to at least 30 mgs of methadone and he said, no way in hell, were did you hear that from? I said that I heard personally that its an extremelly difficult drug to taper off from and stop using, and I just can't accept having to taste that god dam orange devil everyday for a long time... I just can't... Even if I had free suboxone for life, I still wouldn't take it... I"m really stuck and I really wana get clean before the spring... Please be honest, and thank you to all that reply...

 

[comatoserct]

lol

suboxone film
when I'm fixing it up I have to hold back throwing up
and right after I shoot it I have to hold my breath so I don't taste that disgusting lemon/lime flavor

similar to the sugar coating on Coricidin Cold & Cough. Makes me gag every time I taste it

from the Worst smelling drug thread, I guess I'm not alone on this one. Halfway through this post I was going to say "shoot it, you don't taste it nearly as much," and then I got the punch. Sorry about your situation buddy, I'd say try and endure it, but honestly, if you only have 14 strips, you should probably just tough it out. It really does suck but it's only a week of hell and then you're home free. I wish you the best of luck, search some threads and find some remedies to make the WD's way more comfortable. It's not fun but it's certainly doable. Best of luck to you man

 

[lilpeach5237]

I totally understand where you are coming from. Methadone was soooooooo much easier to be on for me. I also went from methadone to subs. It sucked ass! When I first got used to the subs it was great. Now, it is hell. I have been on it for nine months and I can say that I wish that I would have stayed on methadone. I hate being on subs. It's not just the taste. It is hard going from a fill agonist to a partial. It is like heaven and hell. After you get used to the subs you are COMPLETLY sober and get cravings all the time for ANY drug because your receptors get used to it- but subs have a ceiling as methadone doesnt....I get free subs from the company until 8-2011. If I didnt I would have been off the shit a long time ago. The only reason that I am on it now is becasue it does not cost me anything. I pay enough to see my prick Dr. every month who doesnt give a shit about me. The sub Dr.'s talk shit about the methadone clinics. But I have to say in my own personal expirience the sub docs are no fuckin better than the methadone clinics. They are legal drug pushers. If you dont give them their money that they want for seeing you then you dont get your drugs period! As far, as suggestions go. If you cannot stomch the subs, and he wont give you naltrexone (what a prick!) then go to a methadone clinic if you can and try to get state funding. It make take a bit for funding but it beats paying for drugs forever. Your going to have to try and get clean sometime. Good Luck Man!

 

[suessmayr]

1) I feel so bad for US bluelighters; constantly talking about US consult/drug prices. In Australia it's all free, consults, 'done, subs...but then there's this myth/joke that circulates seemingly internationally that if you suffer some life-threatening injury in the States and go to an ER they'll hold out their hands for cash or insurance guarantees before they treat you. So I gather your health system isn't the friendliest, and my heart goes out to you.

2) It sounds to me like you experienced precipitated WD's with the subs; the symptoms you described don't sound like they would follow upon, say, using too much of too potent a drug. They sound immediately and completely negative and like the WD's.

3) I've got a very good doctor/addiction specialist/psychiatrist (honestly I'm not sure what his title is) and he told me that mg for mg subs are equal to methadone, and that it's just a popular myth that more methadone = less suboxone. He said it has to do with how the drugs "feel" because of the different degrees to which each agonises the receptors.

4) I agree with you about the subs wearing off after a while. It sounds to me like, even if you need to visit a clinic daily, methadone would be better for you. In my country after a while they give you takeaways for methadone - doesn't that happen there?

Good luck man.

S

 

[Opioid420z]

I'm up!!!! 5.00 am and I'm UP. At least I got some sleep tonight, for I had 3 soma, and a half of blue roxie. GOD DAM SUBS... They are life savers I know... and thank god they help a lot of people.... But god dammit I am so scared. I never used needles, I never used heroin, I take perocets and then moved up to roxie. My dose is still not as large at it used to be. But god dam, I can take 5 mgs of methadone and be ok, actually go to sleep!!! I take 8mgs of suboxone and I"m up all night throwing up, and all the other nasty horrible torture. Last night was horrible, and I"m so scared to do it again.

Thank you so much for the reply's family. I really really appreciate it. Man I wish I lived in australia just for the weather, the coral reefs, the gorgeous beach's and water. I'm very into nature and love snorkeling. On Long Island you honestly can't do much, its a very cold place imo. Prices are threw the roof soooo bad that if I make 600 a week take home, thats almost poverty!!!! I just want out... I wana move away. I hate the winter, and I hate opiates. The only thing thats around is fuck'n opiates. Everywere I go, everybody I meet know's or uses opiates and this is really hurting me. I wish I could just use opiates once a day and be done with it like taking paxil, or zoloft. But then again, I wana be clean and not trapped to were I always have to think about it. What the fuck happend to weed being so popular? I never even heard of roxy until I was 27. THANK GOD!!! At least I got to experiece college and high school only stoned on weed. Talking about calling somebody a drug addict for smoking pot lololol... fuck'n so misleading.

Anybody go away to a detox for a week without insurance? I"m gona have to ask the hospital.... Or just go into the emergency room and come out filing for bankrpcy, but at least I will be clean. Methadone IMO is so much more effective, yet it doesn't have the naltraxone in it, and personally I don't know if that does much anyway. Mabye if I had a doctor that can give me a shot of Naltraxon?

I miss being a little moody and what not naturally, I swear to god, I remember yesterday going threw all that pain and when the sun started to rise I heard some birds. They sounded different and I felt different, yet I had to work today to pay my landlord his 900 bucks a month for a bullshit small 1 bedroom shit hole. Everything is included but god dam. If I spend anything on drugs, or fun I end up being short on the rent. Then broke the rest of the week, can't eat, have to charge everything on my bosses credit card. He hasn't said anything to me, but i'm sure he will soon deduct one of my checks.

Why won't the fuck'n doctor perscribe subutex for me? I can stomach subutex!! I can... It doesn't taste half as bad. I'd rather have a pill that has no flavor and is slightly bitter, than a fake sweet tasting, devil orange, rancid throw up nasty substance that makes me cringe just thinking about it. I"m gona call my methadone clinic on monday after I buy a few roxies or hopefully OP 20's to get me threw the weekend. I love the way the new OP oxy 20's work on me, I take just one and I"m good almost the entire day, but I"im still trapped. This is gona be the hardest thing I have ever had to go threw. Between getting my nose broken and fixed, having my jaw wired cause of a fuck'n bullshit night and I wasn't even high, drunk, or on pills at the time, and being depressed because of the two. I wish I can have the old feelings I used to have, but in all in all, trying to get clean from opiates is soooo hard and I am just about ready to check into an emergency room to go up to detox for a week. I have to go before the winter is over, or I"m gona have to use the whole summer in order to keep up with my landscaping design business. God help me and to all in this blue family, love you all and thank you!!

 

[enigmatik]

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from the Worst smelling drug thread, I guess I'm not alone on this one. Halfway through this post I was going to say "shoot it, you don't taste it nearly as much," and then I got the punch. Sorry about your situation buddy, I'd say try and endure it, but honestly, if you only have 14 strips, you should probably just tough it out. It really does suck but it's only a week of hell and then you're home free. I wish you the best of luck, search some threads and find some remedies to make the WD's way more comfortable. It's not fun but it's certainly doable. Best of luck to you man

home free from the physical part... until the mental part makes you want to cry yourself to sleep. im a week away from 2 months opiate free (cold turkey), and im in a mental state of hell. it's like losing your best friend, getting him back, and then losing him again. all day long. the moodswings are enough to drive me fucking insane.

to op: i wish the best of luck to you man.

 

[HdoubleODeezy]

home free from the physical part... until the mental part makes you want to cry yourself to sleep. im a week away from 2 months opiate free (cold turkey), and im in a mental state of hell. it's like losing your best friend, getting him back, and then losing him again. all day long. the moodswings are enough to drive me fucking insane.

to op: i wish the best of luck to you man.

if you want to feel relief from that mind state of hell try and get some tramadol just to have sitting around so you know that you could take one at any time to alleviate the feeling, but TRY not to take it. And if you do, try just one tab a day and that will help alleviate mental cravings since you will be able to say "ok i took an opiate". Im only just over 10 days off of suboxone and have a script of trams and just knowing i have them if i need them gives me relief even if i don't take any.. then again my mind works funny (bi polar and a few other probs) so it might not work for you like it does me.. good luck on sobriety. keep it up man, way too long to turn back now %)

EDIT: you could always change out the tramadol for any low potency opiate like tylenol 3's or vic's broke in half or even percs at the strongest if you can have em around without taking all of em. But tramadol is the perfect drug for this IMO.

 

[suessmayr]

if you want to feel relief from that mind state of hell try and get some tramadol just to have sitting around so you know that you could take one at any time to alleviate the feeling, but TRY not to take it. And if you do, try just one tab a day and that will help alleviate mental cravings since you will be able to say "ok i took an opiate". Im only just over 10 days off of suboxone and have a script of trams and just knowing i have them if i need them gives me relief even if i don't take any.. then again my mind works funny (bi polar and a few other probs) so it might not work for you like it does me.. good luck on sobriety. keep it up man, way too long to turn back now %)

EDIT: you could always change out the tramadol for any low potency opiate like tylenol 3's or vic's broke in half or even percs at the strongest if you can have em around without taking all of em. But tramadol is the perfect drug for this IMO.

There is substance to this post; I recently stopped my subs for 6 days because I wanted to reduce my dose but get a bit sick first (it was sort of experimental) anyway, I don't think I could have done it unless I'd had a full box of subs handy. I knew that way that I could end the suffering whenever I wanted to. If they hadn't been there I would have been thinking of contingencies of all sorts: "what if I get really sick and I CAN'T get anything..." etc.

S

 

[suessmayr]

To the OP - dude I'm still not convinced that it's NOT precip. WD's you experienced. Although the fact that you can take subutex would appear to go against this. Naloxone is essentially non existence when suboxone is taken sublingually.

Are you sure you waited long enough before you dosed?

S

 

[Opioid420z]

Ehhhh... Problably not... I waited at least 7 hours or so after my last dose.. mabye 8-9 hours.. or before really any rls sets in. Once the RLS sets in I pop the sub cause I fuck'n hate it.... I remember I used t sniff a small abount of sub and it would cut the withdrawl even if I didn't wait until I was really sick.... Sucks... I cut back yet... I"m still working on it...

 

[Opioid420z]

Should be getting in my Bali soon. I have hope for this , yet I"m skeptikal on how to use it... So many mixed views. I'm getting 5 oz of bali powder. Probably capsuls, dam I hope.....

 

[Pegasus]

I'm up!!!! 5.00 am and I'm UP. At least I got some sleep tonight, for I had 3 soma, and a half of blue roxie. GOD DAM SUBS... They are life savers I know... and thank god they help a lot of people.... But god dammit I am so scared. I never used needles, I never used heroin, I take perocets and then moved up to roxie. My dose is still not as large at it used to be. But god dam, I can take 5 mgs of methadone and be ok, actually go to sleep!!! I take 8mgs of suboxone and I"m up all night throwing up, and all the other nasty horrible torture. Last night was horrible, and I"m so scared to do it again.

Are you sure you're not taking too much Suboxone? 5mg methadone is a pretty small dose... I'd try only maybe 0.5 - 1mg bupe to match that level of effect. Suboxone is notoriously over-prescribed compared to the level of addiction of the patient.

 

[f'n a-hole]

Ehhhh... Problably not... I waited at least 7 hours or so after my last dose.. mabye 8-9 hours.. or before really any rls sets in. Once the RLS sets in I pop the sub cause I fuck'n hate it.... I remember I used t sniff a small abount of sub and it would cut the withdrawl even if I didn't wait until I was really sick.... Sucks... I cut back yet... I"m still working on it...

That's really nowhere close to long enough to wait. It's more like 12-14 hours minimum for most people. Some wait 24 or 48 even. I could never do that, personally... but that's almost definitely why you're getting sick. If you were talking about taking Methadone and not Oxy, the wait is more like 2-3 full days before you can take Suboxone.

Just wait longer, I know it sucks but it's CRAZY to do what you're doing. If you absolutely can't make it 12 hours at least, you need to take incredibly small pieces of Sub to test whether or not your body is ready for it before you really take a "full" dose. It's tougher with the strips (PS - I hate the strips too) for some reason... very small pieces have virtually no effect sometimes, or they'll get stuck to your teeth or gums and you can't get them off - but do that, I'm talking like a 1/20th piece of the strip at first and work your way up from there over the course of several hours. That way, if it starts making you feel worse you know to just back off for awhile.

In my experience, the first day switching over sucks really hard... the second day you'll still feel weird but no pain/tiredness/sweating. It's all downhill (physically) from there. By the 3rd day you should feel somewhat normal. Like somebody else (I think) mentioned, you should - in theory at least, I've never done this or heard about it - also be able to switch from full agonist (Oxy or whatever) straight to Tramadol and then a day or two later start taking Bupe without any worries. Tramadol and Bupe have no negative reactions with each other, AFAIK (I've never experienced any). It's a very lightweight opiate, but it beats the hell out of the alternative. If I had access to them when I switched from Ox to Subs, I definitely would have done it that way.

You mentioned Immodium therapy -- I've never heard of this, but I stopped taking Subs a little over a week ago (after something like 6 months on them) and I've been taking Immodium every other day to settle my stomach, which is really the only WD symptom I'm experiencing. It's worked great. If that's all that's bothering you (stomach) you can probably go that route too.

 

[Pegasus]

^FWIW, Immodium's active ingredient is loperamide, which is an opioid. It doesn't cross the BBB but does bind to opiate receptors in the intestines and will ease opiate withdrawal. It will also prolong it a bit.

 

[f'n a-hole]

^FWIW, Immodium's active ingredient is loperamide, which is an opioid. It doesn't cross the BBB but does bind to opiate receptors in the intestines and will ease opiate withdrawal. It will also prolong it a bit.

Wow, I did not know that... thanks.

 

[enigmatik]

if you want to feel relief from that mind state of hell try and get some tramadol just to have sitting around so you know that you could take one at any time to alleviate the feeling, but TRY not to take it. And if you do, try just one tab a day and that will help alleviate mental cravings since you will be able to say "ok i took an opiate". Im only just over 10 days off of suboxone and have a script of trams and just knowing i have them if i need them gives me relief even if i don't take any.. then again my mind works funny (bi polar and a few other probs) so it might not work for you like it does me.. good luck on sobriety. keep it up man, way too long to turn back now %)

EDIT: you could always change out the tramadol for any low potency opiate like tylenol 3's or vic's broke in half or even percs at the strongest if you can have em around without taking all of em. But tramadol is the perfect drug for this IMO.

I might give that a try. I've just been smoking an absurd amount of cigarettes to relieve stress haha. Thanks for the advice man. My mind works funny too, i understand where you are coming from completely.

Should be getting in my Bali soon. I have hope for this , yet I"m skeptikal on how to use it... So many mixed views. I'm getting 5 oz of bali powder. Probably capsuls, dam I hope.....

Kratom

^FWIW, Immodium's active ingredient is loperamide, which is an opioid. It doesn't cross the BBB but does bind to opiate receptors in the intestines and will ease opiate withdrawal. It will also prolong it a bit.

That's really interesting actually, have you tested it your self?

 

[suessmayr]

Listen to "f'in" - give subs another try but wait longer first. 8 hrs is not enough, ESP. if you're on methadone.

S

 

[vacathizzle]

i'll second what others have said about the dose possibly being too high...

i know when i was sniffing/smoking 160mgs of oxy a day it only took like 2mg's of sub for me to be totally fine for several hours. but when i went and actually got it prescribed to me, they started me at 16mg's a day. i was taking my script, cutting the pills i'd need into 4ths, and diverting the un-needed ones to other patients.

try taking less

 

[Sorce]

sounds like precip. w/d with some negative mental conditioning from the first experience. when i came off large doses of H, I had to wait over 24 hours before taking my first suboxone dose, and even then it didn't cure the w/ds. The first time I tried to get off I took it after 12 hours and I felt like I was in an icebox treadmill (horrible). Thank god I was in a rehab facility and they gave me shots of ativan, i was a mess.