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Buying 2c-i NOW for a summer trip bad idea?

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Bsiren

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I'm *virtually* a psychedelic virgin (1 failed DMT attempt), and myself and my friends plan an annual camping trip in August- in which psychedelics are typically brought by friends.

I was planning to buy 2c-i while it's still acquirable as an RC, as I've heard great things (especially as a started psychedelic), but I've also heard it's a temperamental chemical, so my fear is trying to store it for 7+ months may be a bad idea....thoughts?

Also, dosing- does dosing absolutely require a scale considering the starting doses are recommended at 10-20mgs? Or can you eyeball it (I've been fine eyeballing other RC's, but we're talking non-psychedelics like methylone and mephedrone)?

Sorry if I sound like an idiot, I'm fairly clueless with the 2c's :)
 
2C-I is an extremely stable molecule, as are most phenethylamines. Kept away from light and heat, it will likely outlast you. :)
 
< That's great to hear Roger, I store my MDMA for over a year+ in a safe, no problems. I was told by a few people it's easy to ruin the chemical.
 
Stores well.

An accurate scale is essential. If you have a not very accurate scale you can weigh out 100mg, then mix with 10 droppers of alcohol in a bottle, so each dropper is 10mg.

OR if you have a good hand and a good eye, you can use a sharp knife and a hard smooth surface to arrange 100mg in a nice precise uniform elongated skinny rectangle, then chop that in half. Repeat for the halves and there you have 4 25mg doses. I would call this "physical subdivision" rather than "eyeballing", it can be painstaking, but with care and patience, and a willingness to do-over if you thing you didnt do it right, you can get pretty accurate from a known weight of 100mg from a less accurate scale.
 
Hey Bsiren I would advise you to not eyeball it, and make an accurate, low dose to start. It can be really strong. Over the summer I did the same thing you are doing but it was pre measured 25mg's and it was quite strong :)
 
Self-control is the only limiting factor on 2C-I shelf life. 2c-I was my first psychedelic. I was so impressed I had to tell everyone and ended up going through my gram in about 3 weeks.

Also, I didn't use a scale at all. Volumetric is close enough (expr. w/ 2C-I, 2C-E) if you titrate your dosages (start below thresh-hold dosages, don't want to be allergic; though I've never heard of that happening.)

PIHKAL is your friend and guide. You should know everything about 2C-I now. I think it makes the first trip better. I'd also get in on 2C-E.
 
phens wont really ever go bad.. but on the other hand i dont really think you have to worry about getting 2c-i before it gets banned. buy whenever..
 
I think a proper scale for 2CI is important. I have only once tried to go over 20 mg, and that was something like 26 mg or there about´s. It was amazing visuals, but way to stimulating and uncomfortable.

My advice is: be sure to not exceed 20 mg. Especialy first times..
 
First time, 20mg probably a good idea. But for me the most amazing and interesting visual effect... the strongest most persistent trails/tracers I have ever seen, did not kick in till I hit 25mg.

Yes, the comeup was very stimulating, but I was never frightened it was "too much" or that I was about to have a medical crisis... I just made sure to consciously try to relax and channel the energy, breath deeply in order to maintain full oxygenation, smoke a little weed to relax the system a little... and after about 1.5 hours the comeup stimulation faded away and Tracer Wonderland unfolded before by amazed eyeballs.

For me it was worth it.

Some are apparently more senstitive than others, and some say 25mg is "too much." But I never heard of anyone have any actual PROBLEM at that amount. Whether something is "too" stimulating is WAT subjective, and you just dont know till you research it yourself. And, again, for ME, the BEST visual effects do not occur till that threshold is reached. AND the stimmyness melts away after 1.5-2 hours so its not like it goes on forever. And I really did not mind it that much.

But you ought to try 20mg first, maybe even only 15 your first go to be sure you are not super sensitive.
 
2C-I is a fabulous phenethylamine and great for a first psychedelic. As has been previously mentioned, phenethylamines are substantially stable when kept away from light and heat (and moisture!)

As with dosing this particular substance, I find myself to disagree with what has been said. In my experience with multiple first-time psychedelic users administering oral 2C-I, I have discovered the best range to be 22-24mg. There seems to be an uncomfortable body load at lower doses such as 10-15mg that goes away in this "sweet spot" on the dose-response curve, and returns with doses in excess of 25-30mg. With a 15-20mg dose of 2C-I you should receive the stimulation and most aspects of the drug, but in my opinion what makes this drug worthwhile is that psychedelic aspect that I find only emerges in doses above 20mg. Unfortunately as with any other drug, a myriad of factors come into play here--potency of the batch; the individual in question; cross-tolerance; just to name a few.

Do take care and locate an accurate milligram scale--the brand American Weigh produces some acceptable low-end scales in the $30-40 range that weigh gemstones and small items accurately above 10mg give or take 1mg. Stay away from the unbranded Chinese-made models, and if you choose to shop on eBay take extra caution before bidding so you end up with the correct product.

The Doctor
 
dotdoc said:
In my experience with multiple first-time psychedelic users administering oral 2C-I, I have discovered the best range to be 22-24mg. There seems to be an uncomfortable body load at lower doses such as 10-15mg that goes away in this "sweet spot" on the dose-response curve, and returns with doses in excess of 25-30mg.
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Find your own level. Everybody's chemistry is different & with something like 2CI small differences in dosage can make a big difference in effect. Either get a scale or do it volumetrically (dissolved in liquid) & be sure of your math. One thing I'll agree with is the low-dosage body load. Up to about 12mg it gives me bad headaches which I never get at higher doses.
 
before i had my fabulous mg scale, I went the "physical subdivision" route on my 250mg bag of 2c-i. I halved it to 125, then halved that to 62.5, then i halved that into roughly 31 mg. At that point I made the brutal mistake trying to take 2/3 of that ~31mg pile, and i did that with 3 of them so i had three doses. Me and a buddy swallowed two of the doses and i left the last ~23mg pile to wiegh out when my scale arrived so i could find out how much i actually took.

Needless to say, I tripped for around 15 hours, with intense, i repeat, INTENSE, visuals still lasting over 12 hours later. Sleep=impossible.

When i finally weighed out the eyeball dose that my friend and i took, i realized somehow my subdivision attempt actually produced 35mg of 2c-i.
35mg of 2c-i is WAY too stimulating and freaking insane; i definitely learned a lesson.

Don't eyeball 2c-i! you can get a 20 dollar mg scale off ebay that will at least get you within 5mg if you're really desperate.
 
Be careful with dose. 2C-I was my first psychedelic, and taking only 12 mg resulted in a very profound(and difficult!) trip. I would suggest taking not more than 16 mg for the first time.

What is more important, be careful with your setting(and set), my trip wouldn't be so difficult(and maybe profound) if I took my dose in a proper setting. Of course, I knew that set&setting is very imprortant thing, that I should care about it, etc, etc. But I didn't really understand the meaning of all these words until my first trip.
 
Thank you for all the replies- I finally looked at my thread! I will certainly buy a scale then- 2c-i will be the first psychedelic myself, my boyfriend, and my brother have successfully done- I want to assure it's a positive one.

I am starting with 100mgs of 2c-i, and 100mgs of 2c-e (I figure 2c-i is a better started psychedelic- I may give most of the 2c-e to my experienced friends as a gift).

I plan to try it at first at home or somewhere extremely familiar (like, not our usual night club :))
 
Bsiren said:
I was planning to buy 2c-i while it's still acquirable as an RC.
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2c_i is LEGAL in the states??? 8o

allium said:
Be careful with dose. 2C-I was my first psychedelic, and taking only 12 mg resulted in a very profound(and difficult!) trip. I would suggest taking not more than 16 mg for the first time.

What is more important, be careful with your setting(and set), my trip wouldn't be so difficult(and maybe profound) if I took my dose in a proper setting. Of course, I knew that set&setting is very imprortant thing, that I should care about it, etc, etc. But I didn't really understand the meaning of all these words until my first trip.
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First class advise! Listen to Allium!
 
Bsiren said:
Thank you for all the replies- I finally looked at my thread! I will certainly buy a scale then- 2c-i will be the first psychedelic myself, my boyfriend, and my brother have successfully done- I want to assure it's a positive one.

I am starting with 100mgs of 2c-i, and 100mgs of 2c-e (I figure 2c-i is a better started psychedelic- I may give most of the 2c-e to my experienced friends as a gift).

I plan to try it at first at home or somewhere extremely familiar (like, not our usual night club :))
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Both of these are fairly long-lived trips. For a first timer 2c-c might be the better option & it's active at around double or more of 2c-e & 2c-i which makes it less difficult to take too much without proper, accurate measurement. If you can source c-c instead, I'd recomend it.

Also, to reduce nausea, common & sometimes severe with the 2c family, I recomend staggering your dose's. For instance, 12mgs of 2c-e... 6mgs at 10pm, 3mg at 10:30pm & the last 3mg at 11pm. In my experience this almost completely kills the nausea. Fasting for at least 5 or 6 hours is also advisable.

I'm sure you'll have a cracking time & very good idea to test in safe, quiet, familiar enviroment. Enjoy :)
 
might also be a good idea if not all 3 try it the first time together, or have a sober friend at hand, just in case that something does happen theres someone to take care of things and reduce anxiety. though 2ci is one of the most controlled experiences one can have and adverse bad trips are rare...

also, why would you give away the 2ce right from the start? ime that is a whole different level of intensity and a whole other experience, one you might enjoy. and since all phens keep well it might be worth keeping until youre sure you dont have an interest in it ;)
 
Bsiren said:
Thank you for all the replies- I finally looked at my thread! I will certainly buy a scale then- 2c-i will be the first psychedelic myself, my boyfriend, and my brother have successfully done- I want to assure it's a positive one.

I am starting with 100mgs of 2c-i, and 100mgs of 2c-e (I figure 2c-i is a better started psychedelic- I may give most of the 2c-e to my experienced friends as a gift).

I plan to try it at first at home or somewhere extremely familiar (like, not our usual night club :))
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100Mg?? That's crazy,
 
25mg is the sweet spot. below that it is mainly a stimmy body buzz. very few visuals. above that the stim is too much. right at 25mg you get these amazing thick long lasting tracers, and the stimulation is strong but not intolerable. maybe even kind of pleasant if you handle it right - deep breathing, consciously relaxing yourself, some movement to burn off the excess energy (i.e., dont just sit there like a log letting it slam into you... do something!)
 
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