Feasibility of Opium based IV solution

[MadWolfZX]

I have read a few accounts of people that have IVed opium(after basic filtering, etc.). Obviously, this is very dangerous, but some of the descriptions of the experience did sound 'interesting'.

The point here is a unique effect. I am aware of how to extract relatively high purity morphine; but this is not the objective. I wanted to consider the possibility of a 'unique' experience possible by an opium IV solution.

Let's start with a solution obtained from dried poppy; a pod tea. Is there feasibility to make it relatively safe for very occasional use?

I would think possibly using some basic methods to remove plant matter, fats, etc. would be the main issue? I know codiene content is also an issue; that it can cause massive histamine release through highly probable allergic reaction when IVed. Is there a way to purposely target and remove or neutralize(perhaps convert codiene to an inert compound) codiene?

List specific methods/steps that you believe would help to create a 'relatively' safe solution.

List specific dangers/cautions.

 

[sekio]

Do an acid/base and get omnopon/pantopon/alkaloid mixtures out of opium if you're gonna IV it. Otherwise at least micron filter it; there's LOTS of stuff in opium you don't want in your veins. So long as you don't have too much codeine in the mix you should be fine.

 

[sekio]

No. Opiates in solution degrade by N-demethylation and oxidation to thigns like apomorphine, IIRC. Opiates are far too heavy to be volatile at STP.

Your best bet is growing poppies with a low codeine content. Extracting codeine out of the complex mixture of alkaloids in opium is harder than it looks. Extracting morphine via CaOH2 and column chromatographing the rest to strip codeine/thebaine would be your bast option.

 

[ebola?]

One would NOT want to do this. People have contracted systemic fungal and bacterial infections from organic extractions of this sort before (even with acid/base extractions, IIRC).

ebola

 

[lagger]

this is a badd idea

 

[daddysgone]

Do an acid/base and get omnopon/pantopon/alkaloid mixtures out of opium if you're gonna IV it. Otherwise at least micron filter it; there's LOTS of stuff in opium you don't want in your veins. So long as you don't have too much codeine in the mix you should be fine.

Sorry, I can't agree with this at ALL.

While codeine can certainly cause problems when IV'd, there are FAR bigger concerns at play here-the OP is asking about IV'ing a product he has crudely extracted from dried pods.

For instance, do you have any idea what would happen if any of the plant proteins from the pods were injected into his system? His body would react so violently to the introduction of these foreign proteins that death is an absolute possibility.

Even considering this is insanity.

 

[dragnfli]

I have read a few accounts of people that have IVed opium(after basic filtering, etc.). Obviously, this is very dangerous, but some of the descriptions of the experience did sound 'interesting'.

The point here is a unique effect. I am aware of how to extract relatively high purity morphine; but this is not the objective. I wanted to consider the possibility of a 'unique' experience possible by an opium IV solution.

Let's start with a solution obtained from dried poppy; a pod tea. Is there feasibility to make it relatively safe for very occasional use?

I would think possibly using some basic methods to remove plant matter, fats, etc. would be the main issue? I know codiene content is also an issue; that it can cause massive histamine release through highly probable allergic reaction when IVed. Is there a way to purposely target and remove or neutralize(perhaps convert codiene to an inert compound) codiene?

List specific methods/steps that you believe would help to create a 'relatively' safe solution.

List specific dangers/cautions.

Q: How do I best do OC 80s... break up into quarters and eat? snort? shoot? is that green coating bad to disolve to shoot?

 

[onmyway]

do not do

 

[8L4YN3]

One would NOT want to do this. People have contracted systemic fungal and bacterial infections from organic extractions of this sort before (even with acid/base extractions, IIRC).

ebola

Wise men would take this advice. It'd be so stupid to even attempt this. Organic matter does not belong in veins. I'd like to quote a poster above me 'Even considering this is insanity'. Just smoke your opium or go buy some heroin if you want to inject.

 

[red22]

People shoot black tar heroin, which is pretty much the same thing.

I'm sure dissolving in a 70% solution of isopropyl would take care of the bacteria.

I think you just need to dilute it, so that the product you're intravenously injecting isn't too gooey. I'm thinking a 5cc syringe or even a drip. I don't think you have to worry too much about injecting oils. Oil dissolves in hemoglobin and your blood contains hemoglobin. Although defatting the opium may be a better choice. Either use a relatively large quantity of water or defat it and make sure to sanitize your opium first by dissolving it in alcohol and letting it sit for a sufficient period of time.

 

[sekio]

It's totally possible to shoot opium. Healthy, no. Black tar at least has the advantage of being semi-sterilized by being whacked hard with AA during processing. It's still full of nasty shit, including any aphids that might have been stuck in the opium. Not exactly vein-safe.

I still can't see why injecting the equivalent of omnopon/pantopon (opium alkaloid salts, mostly noscapine, papaverine, morphine) would be a problem. Especially if it's micron filtered, etc. I seriously doubt most bacteria/fungi can survive an acid/base extraction without being absolutely shredded, and that's going to be the closest safest alternative to injecting opium.

 

[red22]

Why do people assume that crude substances can't be injected? I think if prepped properly it's just as safe as injecting a pure powder drug. I think the two issues are killing the bacteria in the product (ie dissolving in alcohol) and the viscosity (ie you need to properly dilute it and perhaps de-fat it). I think your body is fully prepared to handle the influx of compounds in a crude substance, the same way it' capable of handling it when administered by any other method. I think the only issue with the circulatory system is bacteria. I do not think that a crude substance is inherently dangerous to inject.

 

[Hammilton]

I'm pretty sure killing the fungi / spores isn't as simple as adding ethanol. Besides, ethanol burns like hell.

I don't think daddysgone is correct about the proteins bit. We consume proteins all the time in our food, and surely some of them make it into our blood system, no?

Anyway, tar heroin definitely contains poppy proteins, and that's generally not life threatening.

 

[red22]

I'm pretty sure killing the fungi / spores isn't as simple as adding ethanol. Besides, ethanol burns like hell.

I was actually thinking more along the lines of soaking in isopropyl and evaporating that. However, if you're going to be using a 5cc syringe or drip bag you don't even need to evap it because you'll be diluting it so much.

 

[airspace]

I remember reading about IV opium extract from the late 1800's.

of course, this is way different than trying to extract alkaloids from street opium and probably beyond a simple DIY from poppy pods...

 

[MadWolfZX]

Thank you for the replies so far. It does appear that this may be feasible based on some of the posts.

I would appreciate a list of basic steps that one would recommend for this to be relatively safe.

I will of course research every aspect of the steps people list in order to verify everything that I possibly can.

Keep in mind, this is only intended as an experiment to satisfy curiousity, and would in no way be used on any kind of regular basis.

 

[Deleted member 137730]

It is feasible to do, but it would likely suck and the risk is so not worth it, use common sense. If you want a novel experience theres other shit out there.