Heroin Difficulty IV'ing

[TheManWithNoName]

I recently stopped IM H because members of this forum have made it very clear that it can cause some serious side effects. Not to mention I can see and feel it myself with my leg bruised and swollen. I tried to snort it but whenever I do I fell as my throat is closing up slightly and it ruins the euphoria for me, it may be some cut I might have an allergy too, as this does not happen when I snort say coke or the old oxy's. I have recently started to IV. In the past I have hit the vein maybe 1/3 of the times, usually resulting in an abscess ranging in size. But when I did I felt my heart race then all of a sudden I felt great! I just hit it to times in a row but still I have a very very small abscess on each vein with redness in the area, about the size of a pinky nail and an 1/8 of an inch high. I cook it, let it cool down to let the cuts separate, filter it with cotton, clean the needle with an alcohol swab and wipe down my arm as well. Am I doing something wrong? I have very little experience so i fiddle around with it in my vein, it moves around till I can get it to draw back to see blood then I hit it home.

I know this could have been placed in the IV mega thread but I have concluded people are more inclined to check new threads. Thank you in advance.

 

[Cane2theLeft]

Please be more clear in your titles both so people know what you need and for future search purposes.

 

[TheManWithNoName]

thanks I was having trouble giving it a name. Any idea on my query?

 

[topaz2611]

Sounds like you are hitting the muscle, try to make the vein stand out, a few methods are to run ur arm under warm shower, rotate ur arm really fast to get blood to it,and u can tie a belt or rope just above ur elbow to make the vein pop out, but make sure you loosen it before pulling out

 

[TheManWithNoName]

I am definitely hitting the vein once in a while. It's not placebo because i've hit in spots i thought where the vein and didn't feel the same. Plus whenever I felt I hit the vein drew blood. I seem to have trouble drawing it back, is there a trick to doing this with your fingers, like to have them on the plunger the whole time ready to pull back?

It would be nice to have someone show me, I just IM again because I wanted to get a buzz, it know its so bad though. As for the snorting any clue while I feel this way, it may be in my head. Also it might have to do with the fact I am sort of clogging my nose in the process. That's why I really don't want to snort. Snorting and IM are out of the question. The leaves smoking and IV'ing. The stuff I have is excellent a little more than a half a bad had me nice snorted, but when I smoked a whole bag hours later over 20 min I felt little to nothing. I have never caught a nodd while smoking, do I have to smoke a lot, fast? Or hold it in really long.

I really wish I could be like a normal adult (I'm 21) and get a prescription opiate, a lot safer and more enjoyable and with insurance cheaper.

 

[John_Burrows]

Try plugging. Almost all the high of IV but with none of the risk!

And you're not special, everyone would love to start a new thread to get more attention, but mods put stuff in megathreads for a reason. Besides, people like me who are into IV always read the megathread when there is a new post because WE'RE INTO IT.

Also the point of a megathread isnt just a convenient place to put questions with a similar theme, it's also so you will hopefully READ it as well. Your issues and problems have been covered before quite thoroughly, and if you take some time to read through the thread, you might have already solved your problem.

"Oh but come on man, that thread is so long, it would take me an hour or more to comb through it!" is probably what you are thinking.

Let me put it this way: if you're willing to quite literally risk your life in an effort to get high, isn't it worth a few hours of your time to do your homework and make sure you're being safe?

We all want to make sure you're still around to have time to waste...

 

[BrokedownPalace]

Smoking powdered H is pretty useless in my opinion. I assume you're talking about powder, no? If so, snorting and IV and plugging are pretty much your only options. I would spend as much time as you humanly can on researching save IV techniques, vein maps, etc etc. Once you think you know all you need to know, read four times the material you just did. I would also suggest using a tourniquet if you are having trouble finding veins. Make sure to release it before you push the plunger down though or you'll blow a vein. IVing is hard to get the hang of I guess, but it is like riding a bicycle. once you get it down, it is hard to forget.

Your best bet is to ask one of your junky buddies to show you the proper way to hit yourself. The best way to hold the syringe so you can pull the plunger back to register blood and not slip out of the vein is preference, really. I just use my index finger to push the plunger down, and hold the syringe with my bottom 3 fingers wrapped around it in my palm, and then my thumb and index fingers are free to pull the plunger back to register blood, then index finger to push down. Hard to explain it properly but very simple once you see what I mean. I could take a picture if you really want.

 

[Znegative]

It's best to get used to shooting without a belt or band around your arm. Your tracks show way less. If you have small veins then running a hot shower before doing your shot is a good idea because every vein will pop out.

I know for me when I first started shooting, drawing back was also the most difficult part, because inevitably the needle slips out of the vein. So I ended up using ties, and tying my arm real tight, and the second I drew back I would shoot with the tie still on. DONT DO THIS, you get horrible bruises and infections.

I finally learned how to shoot accurately in the last two years, and there is some practice and technique involved. I usually straighten my arm out by the side of my body while sitting down so that my fist is facing the ground. If your pretty thin, your mainline on top of your elbow should bulge out. Slide the needle in at a very shallow angle, sometimes you'll see a little bubble of blood before you pull back even once your inside. if you draw back and theres no blood, pull the needle back, or deeper in, and the second it hits, blood will run up because you've caused a suction. Then you can inject. I find this trick real effective because it basically makes it so you don't have to draw up. Recently I purposely just pull back on the plunger the second the needle penetrates my arm and then widdle it around till I hit the blood mine!

 

[adder]

Have you wondered why your leg got bruised and swollen from heroin shots? I'm guessing that you get some white/off-white/yellowish white heroin salt if you wrote you'd injected it intramuscularly (although I've seen freaks injecting i.m. brown heroin freebase cooked up with citric acid...).

Because it's adulterated. You will administer all the dirty stuff from your heroin injecting it intravenously as well.

Increased heart-rate just seconds after i.v. shot of heroin is normal, it shouldn't be big though, definitely not like you took some stimulant. And it fades away as soon as heroin gets to brain and is rapidly metabolized to 6-MAM and morphine and they cause rush feeling.

Anyway, you're writing that you cook your heroin. What type of heroin is it? For abcesses use sodium bicarbonate with little water added so you get a mash and apply it, it kills bacteria so you should recover faster.

Concerning your question "am I doing something wrong?", it's been discussed a lot of times how to properly administer drugs intravenously. Your case is no different than other people's, intravenous injection is always the same. So look for tips in those threads.

It's best to get used to shooting without a belt or band around your arm. Your tracks show way less. If you have small veins then running a hot shower before doing your shot is a good idea because every vein will pop out.

This is a bad tip. He can hardly hit a vein and you tell him not to use a torniquette (or anything that does its job)? Hot shower before the shot... Yeah, it definitely helps but probably only for people who just started using opioids and aren't addicted to heroin/morphine/6-ketones etc. that eventually act so short that you have to shoot up a few times a day. I don't think there's a time for hot shower when your shit is water already.

 

[TheManWithNoName]

Hey real quick from last night I have these vein colored spot on my vein althought it is flat it is really blue/green. Did i fuck up a vein already? It is about the size of my pinky nail. The image below is bad just imagine where the red dot is in the middle is really blue and my arm is really white. I just wanna know what I did to my vein, so I don't make the same mistake.

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[TheManWithNoName]

Yea, it's powdered I was told it was china white. They have a red Nike sign with just do it as well. Yea the smoking doesn't do anything but prevent withdrawals I never really feel high after.

I read on heroin helper after reading off of here that it IS good to cook it. I heard contrary saying that it lets the cuts dissolve into it. While that is true I've read that if you heat it then let it cool down back to room temperature it will kill be the bacteria and the cuts will separate from the solution again.

If I pull back and draw blood thats definitely a vein?

@adder About the IM vs IV. Is it true IV is less risky because it gets filtered by the liver?

@Brokedownpalace, I think I got your technique down, but if you could put a picture up anyway I would appreciate it.

 

[belarki]

Try plugging. Almost all the high of IV but with none of the risk!

Listen to John_Burrows Plugging sounds the way to go for you, no needle, injuries, scars, blocked nose etc etc.

If only 1/3 of your shots are successful you need to stop now and get an experienced user to show you how to IV properly before you do some serious damage!!!!

Edit: If you draw back (very gently and slowly) and there is a little spurt of dark blood then you're in a vein. If it's really bright red you could be in an artery and injecting could do massive damage!

Edit x2: if you're using a tourniquet remember to release it after you register but before you inject.

 

[jctoona84]

sounds like missing to me. There are people who don't have sufficient veins for proper shooting. I'd suggest another ROA

 

[TheManWithNoName]

The blood is dark I know its a vein and not an artery. I am just afraid of plugging. I have never done it before, and don't know how much to use. I really don't think its for me, I must learn to IV correctly. It's too bad I don't hang out with anyone who IV's, one kid who introduced my ex friend to it who got me into opiates actually OD after stopping for months then overestimating himself like many others. Apparently though he was excellent and would gladly shoot someone up himself.

Btw someones when I inject I get temporary hearing loss, not total but slightly? Any idea why, this also happened when I IMed as well a few months ago.

Also, last time I IV'ed about an hour ago I forgot to remove my belt and it felt like the rush took a little longer to occur, I guess because I was cutting off the blood flow. Does the absence of an abscess mean I scored the vein because 9/10 times if I missed a vein on my arm and it went into the arm muscle it was create a small abscess. Please not I am very clean I sterilize the syringe my arm cook it and filter through cotton, and even sterilize my hands before touching the cotton.

 

[Georgie25]

Unless youre cooking it for 10 minutes or more, heating it isn't killing any bacteria, it's just adding more cut into your shot.

 

[TheManWithNoName]

@Georgie25 Are you sure Heroin Helper and common sense seems to conclude that heating a substance will kill some but not all the bacteria of course, and about the cuts like I said I heard if you let it cool back down the cuts come back out.

But...When I was IMing a lot a few weeks ago I only cooked it. I felt little to no euphoria and felt like my throat was closing up, I read that cooking it dissolves the cuts so I stopped cooking it and thus the problem was gone. Hmmm...

 

[Ellycat]

I recently stopped IM H because members of this forum have made it very clear that it can cause some serious side effects. Not to mention I can see and feel it myself with my leg bruised and swollen. I tried to snort it but whenever I do I fell as my throat is closing up slightly and it ruins the euphoria for me, it may be some cut I might have an allergy too, as this does not happen when I snort say coke or the old oxy's. I have recently started to IV. In the past I have hit the vein maybe 1/3 of the times, usually resulting in an abscess ranging in size. But when I did I felt my heart race then all of a sudden I felt great! I just hit it to times in a row but still I have a very very small abscess on each vein with redness in the area, about the size of a pinky nail and an 1/8 of an inch high. I cook it, let it cool down to let the cuts separate, filter it with cotton, clean the needle with an alcohol swab and wipe down my arm as well. Am I doing something wrong? I have very little experience so i fiddle around with it in my vein, it moves around till I can get it to draw back to see blood then I hit it home.

I know this could have been placed in the IV mega thread but I have concluded people are more inclined to check new threads. Thank you in advance.

Try a femoral stab, it always works for me. I'm terrible at IVing in my arms..

 

[TheManWithNoName]

I have heard femoral use is very dangerous.

I have been using my cephalic vein and half the time I get the rush and sometimes I don't. Do you have to be significantly less high to get the rush or sober. You can't IV get a nice rush then 5 mins later, repeat and get a rush of the same magnitude I guess unless you use more. So if you use less say about 30 min after your last IV or the same amount will the rush be very minor. I just felt after 3 to 5 mins an increasing sensation. IM with me usually takes double to three times this amount. Any ideas fellas?

 

[John_Burrows]

GOD DAMMIT LISTEN UP!!

Stop destroying your body and immediately hault all efforts to IV until you at least TRY plugging twice (once to try it out and a second time to be sure you did it right).

Squirt your shot up your ass and stop whining about your veins.

Read how to plug AND JUST DO IT. If it gets you high (and it will) and you're happy with how it makes you feel then you will have joined the elite club of strong willed, smart people who have learned how to enjoy their drugs risk free.

Most people haven't tried plugging because they are not comfortable enough with themselves to stick some drugs up their keister; of course this is totally idiotic, since if you're willing to risk death by shoving a needle in your arm then sliding a needle-free syringe up your happy hole should be a walk in the park.

So your mission this weekend is to take a trip down the Hershey highway and report back.

Dismissed!

 

[evilthree]

If you are using east coast #4 heroin, stop cooking it. East coast powder requires no heat, you are simply adding in more cut to your shot as Georgie said

Heroin helper is not the gospel of shooting dope, and different types of heroin require different kinds of prep. Heroin base requires heat and citric acid, however I doubt you are shooting base