RCs Can one avoid the paranoia/anxiety of MDPV at low doses while still getting euphoria?

[Harambulus]

I've been looking through the mdpv threads on an off and not sure.

Feindishness aside, could I avoid the paro/anxiety and take a dose of mdpv enough to give me a nice 'cokeish' high for a couple of hours?

Most of the reports are from 'peev monsters' who are on several day+ binges, of which I'd imagine such side effects are inevitable, so it has been a bit hard to discern.

I've read a couple of reports saying they took low doses and didn't suffer from these effects but only like one or two.

Also does it have bad depression after hitting it- i.e at the doses I'd be suggesting. Again I've read mixed reports. Some say they've had the worse comedowns of their lives (though I wonder if these were the 'bingers' again) whereas others report NO comedown and how it is clean as a whistle.

I expect a lil bit of side effect from whatever I take but I wanna know if, at low doses which I'm suggesting, it would be something that would easily be offset by alcohol and weed. I.e. are these nasty side effects probably due to running your dopamine into the ground and still revving the engine when your supplies are out rather than taking a bit and stopping before you hit the red.

I certainly am not after a week long run of bleak amphetamineesque depression like I had from mpa.

I don't think feindishness would be too much of an issue for me. I'm going by past experience from other drugs I've had which others have found feindish. I never took more than 250mgs of mephedrone. I never redosed with speed once the party was over and coke I was a bit naughty but never more than one evening and the next morning.

The only reason I redosed alot with mpa when I tried it the once was cos it gave a shitty high and I was trying to get a decent buzz which was not there apparently.

Also there is alot of talk of the tan being the best and the white being crap. If I've never tried either, so long as I was confirmed to be getting pv in pure form, is it still decent (not comparing it to the mythical tan) to get whatever 'strain'?

 

[The Hebrew Hammer]

I have dosed low multiple times in different instances and have never had any of those nightmarish incidents I hear about....

I think the people that have a bad reaction generally buy a bit and do it till its gone, rather than dosing once or twice in a night....

I think its the people who can not control themselves who run into the problems you speak of.

 

[Harambulus]

Right. I see the majority of ppl in the mdpv threads seem to be like this though which makes it hard to decipher if they would be the 'wreck-heads' who would take any substance in that manner or if it is characteristic of the substance itself.

I suppose the question is- are the drugs themselves more addictive or do these reward type drugs ATTRACT addictive personalities ? Prob both. Nature and nurture and all.

Did you find it particularly hard to control redosing? I've never had a problem with that with any other drugs such as mephedrone even though ppl said that was feindish I just had one dose and came down. A little bit with coke in the past but never more than a late night/early morning.

 

[islander20]

It depends on your ROA the longer it takes to come up the less fiendish it is. Though the only way I enjoy MDPV is smoked, which is euphoric as hell but also addictive as fuck. I've never gotten the anxiety or paranoia that people speak of, and I dose at 15mg for starters. I think this one varies a great deal from person to person, be careful with it and start low. And dont buy it if you dont have a scale!

 

[Harambulus]

Hmm, I think I'll wanna try smoked as well.

Think I'll do oral 1st to get my 'feet' with it.

I really enjoyed vaping mpa and so such is my interest to try it with this in due course.

Binges are unacceptable to me so I will not be doing that, no ifs buts or maybes I am putting my foot down on one that right now .

If I did end up binging through some fluke of it taking me over I would throw it out. Let it be here set in stone for all to see to hold me accountable .

I'm gonna go for 500mgs of mppp and 500mg mdpv so I can see which I like best.

Oh yes and another thing....

With the weed thing my main query is not if it is NICE in combo but if it gets rid of the paranoia which may come with mdpv. I specifically bought some recently cos I was planning on getting some coke and knew from past exp it was the most awesomest thing to evapourate the paro from coke and also provide once of the best 'cozy' highs I've felt in my life. Would be nice if it does the same here too. So yea if it's nice is a bonus but mainly interested in if it gets rid of the paro.

 

[nekointheclouds]

I have always enjoyed the very first come up of the day which can be achieved with very small doses. The problem is its rather short lives(insufferable) and you can more.

Plugging helps with this, and I find PV to work very well up the bum. I get euphoria, and it is sustained longer. abut it lacks that rush.

And individual reports are hard to gauge, you rarely know what kinda of loter things

 

[.dp]

never had paranoia/anxiety at the time i only snorted 5-10mg mdpv.
still wouldn t advise it.

 

[panic in paradise]

yeah, if you've looked through the threads here about this stuff...

i,, im so glad it wasn't around when i was using.
it seems like this stuff, and now goddamn mephedrone(sp) or w/e have caused more problems, and shoddy questions, repeatedly then about anything besides the classics.

MDPV, is just reckless...
ive been thinking about a past user MDPVagrant lately for some reason.
he was obviously a brilliant person, whom this stuff shattered.

 

[LivingOnValium]

Yes, i've experienced euphoria without paranoia while on MDPV. For me the headfuck doesn't start before the 24h mark. After that.. well it's different story.

 

[greenberryhaze]

Feindishness aside, could I avoid the paro/anxiety and take a dose of mdpv enough to give me a nice 'cokeish' high for a couple of hours?

If you take a low oral dose, ~8mg, you will probably get a 'methylphenidatish' high.

I've read a couple of reports saying they took low doses and didn't suffer from these effects but only like one or two.

I don't think most people would get many side effects from a low oral dose.

Some say they've had the worse comedowns of their lives (though I wonder if these were the 'bingers' again) whereas others report NO comedown and how it is clean as a whistle.

No comedown for me, except once, the day after sticking my straw in the baggie and snorting ~100mg, I almost completely lost the ability to move and do stuff. Like I could sorta walk ok, though it took a good deal of effort, but I would get frozen in one position, not able to will myself to do something else. I was barely able to get dressed. Took 5 min to get my shirt on, and like 15 for the pants. I would get them 3/4 of the way up, then just like freeze and not be able to pull them the rest of the way. Also, I wasn't really terribly paranoid but I couldn't stop looking out the window, or cracks in the door, on the off chance that someone would barge in or something. This wasn't really part of the comedown though, more like a hangover.

I expect a lil bit of side effect from whatever I take but I wanna know if, at low doses which I'm suggesting, it would be something that would easily be offset by alcohol and weed.

Alcohol yes, weed prolly not.

I.e. are these nasty side effects probably due to running your dopamine into the ground and still revving the engine when your supplies are out rather than taking a bit and stopping before you hit the red.

It seems likely to me that the situation I described above was exactly that; It seemed tp mimic some of the symptoms of parkinson's.

I don't think feindishness would be too much of an issue for me. I'm going by past experience from other drugs I've had which others have found feindish. I never took more than 250mgs of mephedrone. I never redosed with speed once the party was over and coke I was a bit naughty but never more than one evening and the next morning.

Don't be so sure, pv is a helluva drug. Oral->Intranasal->Tons of foileys.

The only reason I redosed alot with mpa when I tried it the once was cos it gave a shitty high and I was trying to get a decent buzz which was not there apparently.

Kinda like pv.

Also there is alot of talk of the tan being the best and the white being crap. If I've never tried either, so long as I was confirmed to be getting pv in pure form, is it still decent (not comparing it to the mythical tan) to get whatever 'strain'?

Smoked white gives me pretty good euphoria.

It depends on your ROA the longer it takes to come up the less fiendish it is. Though the only way I enjoy MDPV is smoked, which is euphoric as hell but also addictive as fuck. I've never gotten the anxiety or paranoia that people speak of, and I dose at 15mg for starters. I think this one varies a great deal from person to person, be careful with it and start low. And dont buy it if you dont have a scale!

Do you mean you smoke 15mg in one hit, with no tolerance? That's quite a hefty dose...

 

[Harambulus]

greenberryhaze, how have you found your consumption levels? I notice you say you've also smoked which is said to be (bar IV) the worse offender for feindishness. Have you been able to keep it in check?

 

[Znegative]

I've done mdpv two times. The stuff I got was real good mdpv, I started out shooting I think 3 mg, I was high off that for hours. (keep in mind I had not shot coke in a good while at this point.) I'll also put it this way, shooting a speedball with oxymorphone (one of the strongest opoids) is a waste of the oxy, because nothing will slow down and mdpv high binge.

I find that MDPV is incredibly addictive, and even if you could take low dosages (I'm not sure how your administering it, I imagine a low dose of oral would be like 7-10 mg) you'd be hard out to keep it at that and save the rest for the day. However, I have a very bad problem with I.V stimulants, and I will just keep shooting until they're gone, no matter how much I've got.

As far as the comedown, I have to say that it sucks big time. It's not quite like coke where you're all sweaty and so depressed that you want to die, its more subtle, but I might actually find it worse. One wierd thing it did to me after a two day binge (actually I'm not sure if this is the drug or the lack of sleep) is that I pretty much lost my voice. I felt like I couldn't raise my volume at all. There's also an extremely dull depression, where NOTHING makes you happy, even more MDPV, it just prolongs this period.

In conclusion, I will say this. Do NOT buy any downers to try and go to sleep after doing MDPV. You'd probably have to get to the OD threshold of benzos and opiates to even come close to stopping that train!

 

[Harambulus]

Care to tell me how much you used? over how long per session? i.e. + with no sleep?

 

[greenberryhaze]

greenberryhaze, how have you found your consumption levels? I notice you say you've also smoked which is said to be (bar IV) the worse offender for feindishness. Have you been able to keep it in check?

...after sticking my straw in the baggie and snorting ~100mg...

Need I say more?

 

[Harambulus]

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[Harambulus]

Hmm was just checking through this old thread after doing a search and coming back upon it.

Since writing the OP I bought some and dived in without weighing the doses (mainly cos my scales are not really accurate). Smoked...

Two weekends of a minor panic attack and I binned that batch swearing myself off it. Not whole weekends tho only took a cpl hits then got scared and hated it.

I actually didn't have a problem with the redosing thing at the time cos I felt so bad/panic stricken I just wanted it to stop. I even tried taking another smoked dose one time while feeling bad and it just made me feel worse.

So anyhow skip to day and I am being EXTREMELY cautious with it. I tried weighing out about 70mgs apparently that is as accurate as my '0001' (or w/e) scales are.

I split this into 35mg, then split that again, and again and took prob around 3.5 mg plus some leftover crumbs orally.

So reading on here for oral that is a lil low right?

I am still gonna take it slow but how long should I wait till I decide I'm not where I wanna be? since I have been caught out time and time again by these RCs redosing before I peaked- the apbs being the specific ones in question so don't really wanna chance it.

Also what would be a nice smooth oral dose? seems like 15mgs seems to be what ppl are generally saying. I would prob go 5mg 1st tho since I also got caught out with this as other ppls doses seem way to high for me with the apbs that is.

It's been nearly an hour now and not felt much at all so might wait another 15 then give a lil boost of a few more mg.

what confounds the issue though is my sclaes being so inaccurate. I would put some on and it would jump from 0.3 to 0.7. Obv. erring on the side of caution I used the 0.7 reading for further breaking it down.

I imagine it'll be better once I get a read on what a certain pile looks like still weight the 1st amount but only use it as a rough estimate.

 

[ONandOFF777]

I am going to have to say, just from experience that it is “possible”, but (and this is a big BUT) it could be very difficult to find the exact right dose and avoid re-dosing or exceeding that “perfect” dose.

Situation and surroundings are also going to play a very big role in this also. i.e. the “perfect” dose in one situation could feel well perfect, while that exact same dose could feel like nothing or could make you crazy paranoid and anxious in another situation, but this is really true with almost any drug. PV just seems, to me, to be more susceptible to situational variance.

I find that extreme paranoia and anxiety even borderline hallucinations can develop very quickly (over just a few hours of use, not days) even with doses that are not crazy. Unlike meth and other amphetamines which seem to take days to develop the extreme paranoia, anxiety and hallucinations that can be induced by PV in a matter of hours. Obviously with almost any stimulant some mild anxiety and even very mild paranoia can come at even small threshold doses, I am not talking about this I am talking about illogical level stuff.

I would just say to take it slow, know your dose and try to limit yourself to short sessions. Also keep a benzo on hand to help come down or if things get too intense.