Hello and an MDPV Question

dare I say.. SM have you considered using this aproach on any of the other analogues to see what the results mite be? MDPPP, aPPP etc?

Mite create some very interesting compounds..

No, haven't tried anything with them. PV is the most unstable of the group and therefore shows the best promise. Lots of stuff can be made with it. Unfortunately, most of them so far, with the exception of the Tan, and whatever Zamzam's stuff is, have been really ugly acting. One substance - the black tar residue I mentioned early in the thread, was so psychologically damaging that it could easily be used as a weapon in chemical warfare.
 
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There's been a huge inconsistency in effect from batch to batch with the Zamzam tan. The reason is that it is hard to convert all of the pv. For example: the following batch looked pretty damn good after 15 minutes of toasting at 200 degrees.

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However, when I scraped it up, you can see that it's still mostly pv:

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The problem is that only a few microns of the surface is oxidized, no matter what the temperature is. We need to find a way to oxidize beneath the surface of the powder.

To get the following I had to dissolve and evaporate at high temperature over a dozen times:

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And as you can see there is still a tiny amount of pv left. Not enough to spoil the effect completely, but still annoying to me.

Zamzam -- this is why you get a different feeling from different batches.

P.S. I've used over 15 grams of pv doing different processing techniques and tests to understand the Zamzam process and it's clear to me now that this oxidized substance is not pv. It melts at over 300 degrees (pv melts at 238 degrees). It takes three to four times longer to dissolve than pv in equal quantities of water at equal temperatures. At less than 5 degrees C, I could not get it to dissolve at all, yet pv dissolves almost instantly at that temperature. (I use this quirk to get the pure substance for testing - the pv dissolves and I drain off the solution leaving just the oxidized stuff - not very product efficient but it gets the job done). The dosage is different - twice as much is required. The length of effect is different - more than twice as long. Euphoria is not a characteristic of pv, yet this oxidized substance is highly euphoric. PV is universally experienced as an edgy, nervous high but this substance comes on with a profound calm coupled with alertness. Sleep comes easy 6 to 7 hours after even a large dose - something impossible with pv. It does create a noticeable tachycardia, which is common with pv, and in fact it seems to be more alarming than with pv - something that troubles me, and the comedown, while not as drastic as pv, is noticeably unsettling. It has virtually no prosexual characteristics, much to my disappointment. Two people out of 16 who bumped a single 10 mg dose reported headaches painful enough for them to not want to use the substance again. Five reported a numbness in or around the face that lasted a half hour or so and began 30 or so minutes after dosing, but not enough to frighten or concern any of them. Two reported a frighteningly fast tachycardia - my own experience with the tachycardia greatly concerned me at first, but my measured pulse never went above 120/min - it seems to be an irregularity that is perceived as more rapid than it really is, but it still concerns me. None reported any trouble sleeping eight hours after their last dose. Four reported a slight confusion for a few hours after the high ended. None reported any hypersexuality. Thirteen reported a substantial euphoria.

The substance is highly dose dependent. A single 10 milligram dose created a smooth, calm experience for all of the folks. All five people who bumped 30 milligrams as the initial dose reported physical and mental discomfort beginning an average of 45 minutes into the experience. None of these five wanted to repeat the experience. All of the above mentioned people are experienced drug users who voluntarily offered themselves up for science. I was the first to bump it, btw, except of course, for the inventor - Zamzams.
 
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To make this new tan, do you think it would work to put the MDPV in the oven at 200 degrees C without the water? Since you said only the surface changes, would simply mixing the MDPV while in the heat work? Or is it necessary to dissolve it first?
 
SM - best thing about this thread is the pictures of your plates. I dig those things...very 70s vibe...
 
To make this new tan, do you think it would work to put the MDPV in the oven at 200 degrees C without the water? Since you said only the surface changes, would simply mixing the MDPV while in the heat work? Or is it necessary to dissolve it first?

It's very difficult to mix the pv so that it all gets oxidized. You can try it, but I had little success. Even a tiny clump only oxidizes on the surface. I dissolve it because each evaporation completely remixes every particle and I end up with an even, wide surface. But play around and see. I don't have many answers yet.
 
SM - best thing about this thread is the pictures of your plates. I dig those things...very 70s vibe...

Got them in a Mexican flea market.

I do very little work in the lab since I don't want to interfere with the folks doing productive stuff, so my kitchen is my lab. My fear is I will take something that addles me so much that I accidently drink a pint of Acetic acid or some such while thinking that it's water, or use a plate full of pv in solutin as a soup bowl. Never know.
 
I can now vouch for stuffmonger and zamzam. I just made my first batch an hour ago and just tested ~10 to 15 mg and MY GOD. Hard to concentrate. The only thing I'm not liking about this is the racing heart but it's not to bad, I've had much worse. Pretty euphoric I must say. Sorry for rambling but I am flying on this stuff. I produced about half a gram, I'll add a picture to show the color it should be. I should note that I did roughly 25mg methoxetamine last night for the first time and still felt a nice afterglow from that.

 
It's now only about 30 minutes from insufflation and feeling the effects wearing off unfortunately :( Still feel fairly nice though. Better than white Pv. Possibly I didn't get enough to turn into this new substance, although there doesn't look to be any in my product.
 
I can now vouch for stuffmonger and zamzam. I just made my first batch an hour ago and just tested ~10 to 15 mg and MY GOD. Hard to concentrate. The only thing I'm not liking about this is the racing heart but it's not to bad, I've had much worse. Pretty euphoric I must say.



Thanks for the report Red. I don't think anybody doubted the Zamzam bake. I think most of us are interested in the supersexy. Any updates Shambles?
 
A word of caution about the Zamzam stuff. Repeated doses have brought on major psychological problems in a bunch of people, and very quickly. Paranoia, feelings of alienation, depression, crippling anxiety, mental confusion ..... and not just with high doses. I'm stopping all work with this stuff.
 
Looks like I wasted my last half gram. Oh well. I did notice a few hours later that I must have had significant vasoconstriction because my knees looked quite purple, not noticing any other aftereffects. Planning on ordering more to try making the supersexy.
 
hallo

Hallo everyone
This is my first post, I subscribed in 2009 but searching on forums since many years before.

Well, I admit I’m not so young to claim that I know everything…
searching on blue light was so important for me (allowing to find info otherwise not available especially in my country) so as first post I would like -before all- to address you a warm greeting, then many thanks to everyone for sharing experiences.

Regarding this thread, and in particular addressing to Stuffmonger:
I’ve read it all, about 700 posts, and I love it as we usually do with a book that page after page became more intriguing.

Seriously, I’m not in any way ironic, it’s structure is perfect: it started quietly, then something like a map to find a treasure appears, step by step following the way I have seen myself as part of the adventure…but at this point other new details were added, and it’s a run that seems to never have an end.

This to say that I agree with others who wrote that this is one of best thread I ever met, and believe me while I was reading I didn’t really care if contents were or not chemically acceptable because the story alone was a good reason to spend a night on it. So again thank you very much for it.

Regarding MDPV: I’m not a last minute fan of the substance, better I was never a fan, I tried it many years ago and probably I was not so impressed by it.

Anyway , moved by the renewed popularity around it (having tried it as individual researcher for my own, old sample was still probably somewhere) I finally discovered the original sample and decided do some new tests about it, then posting some comments about it because I’m sure this batch may be dated exactly as 2006-2007, EU source

As I can remember the appearance was still the same as it was when supplied from a German laboratory in feb2007; not properly pure white, do you agree ? Anyway at the time this was the "standard", it was still not so widely available and Im sure that the laboratory supplying it was one of the few.

To preserve the sample nothing else than simply mantaining it in the same sleeves you can see in the picture, then inside a box avoiding light exposing.

As picture shows it has brownish (I correct, beige) colour, its onsistence is similar to talc, anyway clearly marked as hcl.
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Having tasted it in these days, as summary it does not in any way resemble -for me- what claimed for currently available white batches, in the same time I can find many similarities with experiences other users describes about results obtained after cooking. On the other side – and I’m sure about that- it has nothing of magic “perv pwder” qualities referred to real tan.

I got it mainly snorting, in repeated doses from 5 to 10;
assuming it in this way the pwder quickly reveals a strong stim action but nothing similar to the “never end running high” many report for actual white batches, then I find it’s not really euphoric, instead felt it pleasurable and warm in a subtle way, subtle but dangerous because I confirm that redosing appears quickly attractive.
With this old batch testing I didn’t find really troubles for sleeping, pulse and pressure rise but never out control, in the same time I can in some manner feel that it may be not good for hearth and circulation

Also tried (just twice) smoking vapours within a bulb: vapour has in some manner a pleasurable taste, effect is in this way more numbling, physically not much appreciable because legs appears heavy while clear thinking and focus seems not easily available.
I don’t know if others may find this stoned state pleasurable, I really didn’t too much; I will not repeat experiences assuming it in this way also because possible dangers due to residues are referred about this method – I think motivated-

Well. also if assuming that everyone may react in a different way with same substances, experience I had on this old batch does not offer misunderstanding about the real difference between "tanned old batches" and what you described as "real tan":
also if no comedown was really felt, and many of the other bad effects usually reported were not present in heavy form, there was only light euphoria and sex enhancing properties full missing.

Old batch I tasted has nothing comparable to what you described as real tan. This made your process new object of my interest.

So, dear Stuffmonger, I must admit that if I really didn’t care about the tech contents during my "all night reading" of the thread, this was what I thought just until few minutes ago.

Well, I’m now really curious to deeply approach your method, also considered that still remaining about 500 mg of my old batch I will prefer to try the conversion in the safer sexiest form, instead of compulsively use it as it is.

I think this choice can be really considered as harm reducing pro; being over 40 I obviously prefer to use my hearth for massive sex instead of half pleasurable drugs, I think I will meet your agreement.

Well, assumed that I will prefer to try the long process instead of the "quick and dirty" one, then considered that all the process described referred to white hcl, I will be grateful if you may update about the following:

- may you please refer if applying it on “old style brownish hcl batches” needs a different approach for any of the phases ?
- is there in your opinion a minimal “critical” amount of material needed to realize the procedure with success (is it the process evaluable for treating also 500 mg ?

Grateful if available to an answer,
anyway many thanks again to you and all other members

Moschin
 
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Hallo everyone
Well, assumed that I will prefer to try the long process instead of the "quick and dirty" one, then considered that all the process described referred to white hcl, I will be grateful if you may update about the following:

- may you please refer if applying it on “old style brownish hcl batches” needs a different approach for any of the phases ?
- is there in your opinion a minimal “critical” amount of material needed to realize the procedure with success (is it the process evaluable for treating also 500 mg ?

Grateful if available to an answer,
anyway many thanks again to you and all other members

Moschin

If the color is brown, then I doubt that it is pure pv hcl, which is white. It could have just turned brown over the years I suppose. Check to see if it's water soluble first. If so... who knows, give it a try. If you get the light green oil from a freebase then run with it. If it's not water soluble, then I don't know what to tell you. From the effects that you described, it doesn't sound much like pv, but people react differently.

There'd no minimum amount necessary for the procedure. 100 mg is more than sufficient. For small amounts I would use a test tube for the procedure though. Easier to see what's happening.
 
I tried the quick and dirty approach.

I left 1g of MDPV HCl 24 hours in solution (slightly grey tinge to the pv, disolved completely in the distiled water at room tempreture, I think before the water was far too cold)

I think it was begining to work (yellow globs appearing at the bottom of the glass). Sadly im sure I ended this too earlyer as the water was still green when a light was put through it but to the eye it looked brown. I spent many many hours doing this The end product did not look appealing.

I think I may have used not enough water. After leaving the water to dry of in a shallow dish it appeared as a yellow mush (yellow + green). noticing this I put more distiled water in a glass added the substance at the end of my first result. I have left it to sit for another 18 hours.

Is it worth reheating this and see If I can make it change more or shall I start again?

Il make this work if its the last thing I do xD
 
I tried the quick and dirty approach.

I left 1g of MDPV HCl 24 hours in solution (slightly grey tinge to the pv, disolved completely in the distiled water at room tempreture, I think before the water was far too cold)

I think it was begining to work (yellow globs appearing at the bottom of the glass). Sadly im sure I ended this too earlyer as the water was still green when a light was put through it but to the eye it looked brown. I spent many many hours doing this The end product did not look appealing.

I think I may have used not enough water. After leaving the water to dry of in a shallow dish it appeared as a yellow mush (yellow + green). noticing this I put more distiled water in a glass added the substance at the end of my first result. I have left it to sit for another 18 hours.

Is it worth reheating this and see If I can make it change more or shall I start again?

Il make this work if its the last thing I do xD

As described, it doesn't sound right at all. But just let it sit. Let all the water evaporate and then add more. If it doesn't turn brown after another 48 hours post again.

There should have been no green tint to the solution. Were the yellow globules on the bottom a light yellow or a darker, egg yoke shade?

When you say you left it in solution for 24 hours, I'm assuming this was after the yellow globules appeared through heating, yes?

Can you post pictures? That would make it easier to figure out what happened.
 
As described, it doesn't sound right at all. But just let it sit. Let all the water evaporate and then add more. If it doesn't turn brown after another 48 hours post again.

There should have been no green tint to the solution. Were the yellow globules on the bottom a light yellow or a darker, egg yoke shade?

When you say you left it in solution for 24 hours, I'm assuming this was after the yellow globules appeared through heating, yes?

Can you post pictures? That would make it easier to figure out what happened.


Well 24 hours was just PV + water.

The 18 hours was after I had cooked it, dryed it, noticed it wasnt right, put it back in water, left for 18 hours.

To be honest I think I have buggered this one up. Next time il get it right lol.

I dont have a camera good enough for this picture (sadly im drying on a green shallow plate which makes the tinge very difficult to see..)

Also... the PV + bicarb + water didnt fizz at all which seemed very strange...
 
Well 24 hours was just PV + water.

Also... the PV + bicarb + water didnt fizz at all which seemed very strange...

Yes, something very strange. If there was no fizz then something is totally wrong. Are you certain it was bicarb? Bicarb even in plain water fizzes. With pv in solution there is a major fizz.

Are you sure you didn't use baking powder instead of baking soda? The cream of tartar and the sodium aluminum sulfate in baking powder may have prevented the reaction.
 
A word of caution about the Zamzam stuff. Repeated doses have brought on major psychological problems in a bunch of people, and very quickly. Paranoia, feelings of alienation, depression, crippling anxiety, mental confusion ..... and not just with high doses. I'm stopping all work with this stuff.

doing this myself resulted in some of the some of the worst psychosis i've ever had. Almost as bad as the brown oil was.

i still can't get the quick and dirty right, the oil never turns dark yellow, it always vapourises off and i end up wired to fuck for a couple of days
 
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