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IV Dust?

MindFruit

MindFruit

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Has anyone ever shot PCP and survived to tell the tale? Is there a point to it, since PCP is so readily absorbed by the body anyway? I'm not thinking of trying this, I'm just curious. What is it like?
 
There is a post on Bluelight about a experience,

http://www.bluelight.ru/vb/showthread.php?t=333676

Then this taken from erowid.org

Administration of 0.1 mg/kg IV of PCP produces a predictable series of mental alterations that can be difficult to differentiate from true schizophrenia. These effects may include defective perceptual discrimination, concrete thinking, psychomotor retardation, distractibility, alteration of body image, loss of body boundaries, and a profound sense of unreality. LSD, on the other hand, more closely simulates the secondary symptoms of schizophrenia, such as hallucinations.
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http://www.erowid.org/archive/rhodium/chemistry/pcp/effects.html
 
Wow, that sounds nuts. I wonder what happened to him for the first 90 minutes. Probably complete ego destruction.
 
So that's about 7-8mg, for an average size male. I guess the bioavailability can't be that much higher IV than insufflated, so the only difference really would be the rapidity of onset. I'd take that quote with a pinch of salt (or dust :)), it's not so bad!


Edit: But that report from 3.5mg (of what sounds like really impure PCP - looked like hash!?) sounds a lot stronger than I've had from 7-8mg insufflated in one go, or 15mg over a couple of hours, so I dunno!
 
PCP was originally developed/tested as an IV anaesthetic, IIRC. Probably 0.05mg/kg is more than enough for hallucinogenic effects; PCP is very very potent especially when injected
 
skillet said:
So that's about 7-8mg, for an average size male. I guess the bioavailability can't be that much higher IV than insufflated, so the only difference really would be the rapidity of onset. I'd take that quote with a pinch of salt (or dust :)), it's not so bad!


Edit: But that report from 3.5mg (of what sounds like really impure PCP - looked like hash!?) sounds a lot stronger than I've had from 7-8mg insufflated in one go, or 15mg over a couple of hours, so I dunno!
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How is it? Is it comparable to anything (besides ketamine and DXM)? How intense is it?
 
I've never tried ketamine or DXM to compare it to. At low doses it felt a bit like chloroform, if anything, and wasn't very interesting. At the higher dose there was some psychedelic-like change of thought patterns, I thought I understood some things from a different perspective. Can't remember what now though!
 
I've done (reasonably pure) PCP via IM and experienced nothing like the effects reported in the link above. Very dissociating/feelings of detachment, somewhat visual, but it lacked a lot of the depth of ketamine or traditional psychedelics. I'd still call it worthwhile, though.
 
Never had PCP cos it's just not around anywhere in the UK but have IV'd 3-MeO-PCP a few times and that is reportedly fairly similar. I loved the 3-MeO version (5-10mg range IV'd for me from memory) and would certainly be tempted should the ever-elusive PCP itself become available. Have also IM'd 3-MeO-PCE which was very enjoyable too.
 
Shambles said:
Never had PCP cos it's just not around anywhere in the UK but have IV'd 3-MeO-PCP a few times and that is reportedly fairly similar. I loved the 3-MeO version (5-10mg range IV'd for me from memory) and would certainly be tempted should the ever-elusive PCP itself become available. Have also IM'd 3-MeO-PCE which was very enjoyable too.
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Is 3-MeO euphoric and worthwhile? Or is it just "strange"? And do you know if it would interact with SSRI's at all? According to Bluelight, ketamine is safe while on SSRI's, but DXM is potentially lethal. Where would a PCP analogue fit on this scale? And did you notice any "hangover" effects? Tired? Anxiety? Depressed?
 
skillet said:
So that's about 7-8mg, for an average size male. I guess the bioavailability can't be that much higher IV than insufflated, so the only difference really would be the rapidity of onset. I'd take that quote with a pinch of salt (or dust :)), it's not so bad!
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Now, correct me if I'm wrong (which I may be) but isn't the bioavailability the amount of drug which is metabolized? If that's the case then IV'ing would increase the potency as well as the speed of onset. correct? Anyway, I have no experience with PCP, so don't take what I say too seriously (and feel free to correct me if I'm misinfomed) but seeing as PCP is a dissociative, IV'ing would probobly cause something along the lines of an OBE, or near death experience. Possibly complete loss of contact with the world. Though in the end I suppose it ultimately depends on dose.
 
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MindFruit said:
Is 3-MeO euphoric and worthwhile? Or is it just "strange"? And do you know if it would interact with SSRI's at all? According to Bluelight, ketamine is safe while on SSRI's, but DXM is potentially lethal. Where would a PCP analogue fit on this scale? And did you notice any "hangover" effects? Tired? Anxiety? Depressed?
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Very euphoric and very worthwhile. Easily one of my favourite drugs ever. Shame it's so rare :\

I'm on a tramadol (SNRI) script now and think I was at the time too and had no problems. Having said that, I believe PCP and relatives affect serotonin as DXM does (to what extent I don't know though) unlike ketamine which doesn't and is fine to combine with SSRIs. I'd be cautious in combining any PCP variant with an SSRI myself and read up on it first cos there is an inkling of iffiness about the combo in my mind at least.

The only hangover effects I (and most others it seems) got was an extended afterglow and very noticeable anti-depressant effect that lasted for quite some time afterwards.

Check out The Big and Dandy 3-MeO-PCP Thread for my own experience and that of other users. It's only a tiddler as B&D threads go so quite easy to read through and get an idea of the effects :)
 
I'm no doctor, but isn't ketamine an NMDA antagonist (idk if this is right) drug just like PCP and DXM? WHy is it safe to take, but the others are not? Just curious, I think I will wait until I am off SSRI's to experiment with this stuff. :)
 
^DXM is dangerous to use with SSRIs not because it's an NMDA antagonist, but because it's also a serotonin releaser.
 
DexWeedAndMe said:
Now, correct me if I'm wrong (which I may be) but isn't the bioavailability the amount of drug which is metabolized? If that's the case then IV'ing would increase the potency as well as the speed of onset. correct?
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Bioavailability is the percentage of the administered dose that makes it into the systemic (main) circulation. First pass metabolism can reduce it significantly for some drugs with oral administration, while with other routes losses come from problems with absorption, eg. swallowing some of a insufflated/sublingual dose.

Looking at ketamine, it seems only about one third or a quarter of an IM/insufflated dose is needed for IV, so 3.5mg IV PCP probably is a pretty strong dose.
 
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