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ordered 4-FA / 4-FMP samples, but what are they really?

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dopehope

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SWIM's monkey ordered 2 samples of 2 different vendors of 4-FA / 4-FMP. To do him a favor I ran the Marquis, Simons and Robadope tests on them both, but I find it hard to see what he really got here. I'm not experienced with the substance. What do you think these could be? In any case, it doesn't look like it's the same stuff.

These are the 2 powders:

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And this is the result after testing, and waiting a few minutes:

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Thanks.
 
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This section is for testing Ecstasy type pills / molly - its not really the place to discuss all RC's.

Check the thread done by The Azo and see if your reaction is listed.
 
Oops, okay, sorry! I saw the Azo thread, but still can't identify what I have exactly.. Is there a better forum / section to ask for help on identification?

Thanks.

Bearlove said:
This section is for testing Ecstasy type pills / molly - its not really the place to discuss all RC's.

Check the thread done by The Azo and see if your reaction is listed.
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I think this is probably the best forum for it. to be honest - though obviously the mods here feel otherwise. Noplace else really has _any_ discussion of reagent testing.

The one on the right is definitely fake; as a positive simons result indicates the presence of a secondary amine, while the negative robadope indicates absence of primary amine. Since 4-FA is a primary amine, that can't be 4-FA. I suspect it's methylone or butylone - but it could also be 4-FMA.

The one on the left doesn't look encouraging either. In my original tests, i got no response from marquis for 4-FA. Just for you i dumped a less-tiny pile of 4-FA (i normally use only very small samples, because for many chemicals, that improves the results) onto a plate and dropped some marquis on it. It went a more orangey color, but with some yellowish highlight. I used considerably less powder than you did, though - can you repeat the marquis with a smaller amount of powder, and see if you get a more orangy color?
 
(hope this works)

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the one on the left looks decidedly like some sort of cathinone to me, leaning toward MDPV as robadope appears to me to be no reaction, and no reaction on simons. see my results

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actually the one on the right looks possibly like mephedrone, though the marquis is a bit too strong a yellow the paleish green mandelin looks similar to what I'd got
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I noticed you tried sending me a private message, but my message box was full. I made some space now, so you can try again?

And I will use a smaller amount of powder and post new results. Do note that my "piles" look bigger than they actually are. My camera is just pretty good at macro shots :)

BTW do you have photos of your 4-FA tests so I can compare?

So you mention 4-FA and 4-FMP as though they are different substances, are they?

Thanks!

TheAzo said:
I think this is probably the best forum for it. to be honest - though obviously the mods here feel otherwise. Noplace else really has _any_ discussion of reagent testing.

The one on the right is definitely fake; as a positive simons result indicates the presence of a secondary amine, while the negative robadope indicates absence of primary amine. Since 4-FA is a primary amine, that can't be 4-FA. I suspect it's methylone or butylone - but it could also be 4-FMA.

The one on the left doesn't look encouraging either. In my original tests, i got no response from marquis for 4-FA. Just for you i dumped a less-tiny pile of 4-FA (i normally use only very small samples, because for many chemicals, that improves the results) onto a plate and dropped some marquis on it. It went a more orangey color, but with some yellowish highlight. I used considerably less powder than you did, though - can you repeat the marquis with a smaller amount of powder, and see if you get a more orangy color?
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dopehope said:
So you mention 4-FA and 4-FMP as though they are different substances, are they?
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4-FA and 4-FMP are the same. 4-FMA is not.
4-Fluoroamphetamine can be named as 4-Fluoro-a-MethylPhenethylamine* (4-FMP)
4-Fluoro-n-methylamphetamine has been called 4-FMA.


*alpha-methyl phenethylamine is amphetamine, and indeed thats how it was named: alpha-methyl phnethylamine
 
TheAzo said:
4-FA and 4-FMP are the same. 4-FMA is not.
4-Fluoroamphetamine can be named as 4-Fluoro-a-MethylPhenethylamine* (4-FMP)
4-Fluoro-n-methylamphetamine has been called 4-FMA.


*alpha-methyl phenethylamine is amphetamine, and indeed thats how it was named: alpha-methyl phnethylamine
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Ah, I need to learn how to read, apparently.

BTW I should be able to confirm whether it's 4-FA or not soon, as SWIM's monkey is getting a confirmed good sample in from a trusted tribe today or tomorrow. More test results then.
 
SWIM's monkey is very sure that he now has real 4-FA. Very different test results:

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The texture of the powder is similar, but there are particles that sort of glitter in it, like small crystals.
 
chasing_s said:
(hope this works)

the one on the left looks decidedly like some sort of cathinone to me, leaning toward MDPV as robadope appears to me to be no reaction, and no reaction on simons. see my results
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I agree.

actually the one on the right looks possibly like mephedrone, though the marquis is a bit too strong a yellow the paleish green mandelin looks similar to what I'd got
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Could it also be methedrone?
 
TheAzo said:
The one on the right is definitely fake; as a positive simons result indicates the presence of a secondary amine, while the negative robadope indicates absence of primary amine. Since 4-FA is a primary amine, that can't be 4-FA. I suspect it's methylone or butylone - but it could also be 4-FMA.
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Could it also be methedrone? I now think the one on the left is MDPV. Thanks chasing_s!

The one on the left doesn't look encouraging either. In my original tests, i got no response from marquis for 4-FA. Just for you i dumped a less-tiny pile of 4-FA (i normally use only very small samples, because for many chemicals, that improves the results) onto a plate and dropped some marquis on it. It went a more orangey color, but with some yellowish highlight. I used considerably less powder than you did, though - can you repeat the marquis with a smaller amount of powder, and see if you get a more orangy color?
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As you can see I did tests with what I believe to be pure 4-FA of a more trusted source and there is no yellow or orange color at all with marquis. Only a slight pink. How sure of what you tested are you?
 
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Im quite happy to leave this thread running but please do not use the term 'Swim' or 'My pet hampster' etc.
 
I or we or whatever the correct personal pronoun would be, ie just use normal english
 
dopehope said:
As you can see I did tests with what I believe to be pure 4-FA of a more trusted source and there is no yellow or orange color at all with marquis. Only a slight pink. How sure of what you tested are you?
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I now found another source that shows 4-FA showing up pinkish with the marquis reagent:

http://www.dhpforum.nl/wiki/index.php?title=Marquis

TheAzo, perhaps time to re-test?
 
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