DPT first time dosage

[Timothy Leary]

I have heard a lot of suggestions of 25-40 mg, but a friend who is very experienced with psychedelics said that he found 40 mg insufflated frighteningly intense, we both have material from the same batch. I think I can manage psychedelic states very well; I've taken 5 grams with 180 mg crystalline harmala alkaliods (maybe 8-10 grams equivalent dose of mushrooms) and had no negative effects at all.

I have been told to be very careful with this substance. What do you think would be a good dose to test the waters with? I was thinking given my friends response 20 mg or so would be good, but I am told that is very low by others

 

[fractal fountain]

Be very careful about tremors and heart rate body load. It can be quite frightening if you are not prepared for the experience. Personally, I would suggest taking it orally rather than Nasally, maybe with an MAOI, though I really don't know any details about dose with this ROA.

 

[Chemical Wizard]

I found 50 mgs of the Hcl insufflated to be substantially without effects, and 120 mgs insufflated to be bordering on overdose. Seems like it's one of those highly variable each time you take it compounds.

I would bet money that I could try 50 mgs again in another setting and have a good chance at feeling it....well, if I had more DPT anyways.

 

[Addam]

Did you check out the Big & Dandy DPT thread yet?

It also seems highly variable from person to person. Be careful

 

[Incunabula]

First time I took DPT, I insuflatted 25 mg, I then waited 1/2 hour and then insuflatted 25 mg more.

For me this was a perfect way to do it.

Thing is apparently there is HUGE difference in how much people can take/need to take. A dose that would be a freak out for some, is just over baseline for others.

But 25 mg is never too much for any one (insufflated) so it´s a good place to start.

You should read this if you haven´t already:
http://www.erowid.org/chemicals/dpt/dpt_primer.shtml

The only thing wrong in that article is that they say that HCL can´t be smoked.
It can be, it´s just not very "practical"

 

[Incunabula]

Be very careful about tremors and heart rate body load. It can be quite frightening if you are not prepared for the experience.

while this is true, it´s not really physicaly dangerous to your health. except if you are grossly overdosing it of cause.
Most of the hospitalizations from DPT comes from people freaking out! and then calling for an ambulance because they think they are gonna die or something.

loads of trip reports on erowid about this classic scenario.

Personally, I would suggest taking it orally rather than Nasally, maybe with an MAOI, though I really don't know any details about dose with this ROA.

Bad advice. ingesting DPT with a MAOi can get loads more rough than insufflated, and is only adviced for people who REALLY knows what they are doing.
And duration will be much longer. While with insufflated it´s about 2 hours. If you don´t like it. 2 hour of being uncomfortable is manageable.

 

[Incunabula]

I've taken 5 grams with 180 mg crystalline harmala alkaliods (maybe 8-10 grams equivalent dose of mushrooms) and had no negative effects at all.

The thing is, if you are a DPT hardhead or supersensitive has nothing to do with prior drug usage, even veteran psychonauts gets their asses kicked.
Neither does it have anything to do with your gender or body size. it´s kind of strange really.

This quoate is from Erowid:

Again, we have observed that milage varies considerably from person to person with DPT. Some people were blown away with a lower end dosage level while others required two to five times as much to manifest the full effect. My advise is to work up gradually starting with a very low dosage level in order to acclimate yourself and then boost up as desired. There have been several major freak outs by those who chose to take the plunge and then could not handle the power of DPT.

Edit:
Sorry for all the blabbering and spamming. Moving along know
Good luck with your experiments

 

[fractal fountain]

I wasn't aware of major complications with DPT + MAOI, could you mind elaborating with links to relevant trip reports?

What about Oral sans MAOI? Dose 100-150mg.

 

[guerillabedlam]

If you want to tread carefully 25 mgs insuffalated would be a good dose.

I am confident enough in the relative safety of the compound to reccommend 50 mgs insuffalated if you want to see what its about.

I do intramuscular injection in the 60-80 mgs dose range. The tarchychadia gets pretty noticeable on the higher end of that but its manageable. 50 mgs should give you a good solid trip without being too overbearing but it is a pretty intense trip.

 

[Incunabula]

I wasn't aware of major complications with DPT + MAOI, could you mind elaborating with links to relevant trip reports?

What about Oral sans MAOI? Dose 100-150mg.

I am nothing saying that oral DPT +/- a MAOI is something one shouldn´t do.

I just mean it´s really bad advice to someone trying DPT for the first time.

Insufflated or smoked is best when just starting to test the waters.

with oral it lasts a long time, insufflated is like 2-3 hours, so it´s quickly over if you didn´t like it.

When you know your DPT really well, then you can start with oral +/- MAOI


Here´s some oral trip reports from Tihkal, and this is even without a MAOI:

(with 200 mg, orally) "This started sooner and was a lot stronger than I had expected. I had trouble talking and I felt very uncomfortable. I think physically I was in a chair but I was on a kind of mountain surrounded by clouds. And the clouds talked to me."

(with 275 mg, orally) "I have smoked this amount one time some while ago, and this is a lot more interesting. And a lot more intense. With smoking, there was a body rush that was uncomfortable, and you never really know how much went into you, what with pyrolysis and all."

(with 500 mg, orally) "This was intensely visual, and it lasted an exhausting 12 hours. I prefer the smoking route."

here´s a really nice trip report about oral DPT+MAOI:

http://www.bluelight.ru/vb/showthread.php?s=&threadid=152888&r=5

hand here´s a thread about it:
http://www.bluelight.ru/vb/showthread.php?t=154423

Enjoy and Be safe, DPT is one of the drugs that has caused quite alot of hospitalizations due to people freaking out. it is lovely stuff though

 

[guerillabedlam]

Smoking is the only other route I desire to try. Based on what I've read insuffalation sounds like its got a heavier physical component than im injection and oral requires much more material and sounds pretty exhausting.

How does smoking compare to insuffalation and to dmt?

 

[Incunabula]

Smoking is the only other route I desire to try. Based on what I've read insuffalation sounds like its got a heavier physical component than im injection and oral requires much more material and sounds pretty exhausting.

How does smoking compare to insuffalation and to dmt?

I once tried to smoke the HCL. Just to try it.
it worked, But I had a hard time getting it all to melt. The smoke was also really harsh. I think it was 20 mg.

Onset was really quick, almost quicker than with DMT. My heart started beating faster than it ever has before and I was filled with a really strong energy push.

the effects went away really quickly. More quickly than if I had smoked the same amount of DMT.

I was to do it again I would convert it to freebase and smoke maybe 40-50 mg.

I am sure there are more and better trip reports about smoked DPT in the big and dandy DPT thread.

 

[fractal fountain]

See my thread "DPT Troubles" if you want to get a good idea of just how frightening the experience can be nasal if you push it.

I could have very easily ended up freaking out quite badly and gone to the hospital or had to deal with other bad stuff.