Effects list of K2 Summit

[Placebo1712]

Hey guys..just quit myself from a 1 g a week habit (pure powder). The "Mania and anxiety after heavy use of jwh-018" is my thread (don't know how to link it).

Anyway I think what you guys are experiencing is acute anxiety attacks and these are what these headaches really are. A pharmacy student posted in this thread speculating the same. I get the same heavy cranial pressure with my morning panic attacks, no sharp pain just lots of pressure and it makes me feel very lethargic until I get relief.

I think this crap zapped our gaba....this is why you feel relief with alcohol or benzos. I've been using phenibut, a legal (but physically addictive) nootropic that acts as a benzo. I take this in the morning and I'm good all day. Like I said, you cant just go taking this everyday for weeks, you will get physicaaly addicted with too much of it. I know of a site that has the best deal with high quality (not sure if allowed to post) Good luck guys!

 

[glitchedfirewall]

Hey guys..just quit myself from a 1 g a week habit (pure powder). The "Mania and anxiety after heavy use of jwh-018" is my thread (don't know how to link it).

Anyway I think what you guys are experiencing is acute anxiety attacks and these are what these headaches really are. A pharmacy student posted in this thread speculating the same. I get the same heavy cranial pressure with my morning panic attacks, no sharp pain just lots of pressure and it makes me feel very lethargic until I get relief.

I think this crap zapped our gaba....this is why you feel relief with alcohol or benzos. I've been using phenibut, a legal (but physically addictive) nootropic that acts as a benzo. I take this in the morning and I'm good all day. Like I said, you cant just go taking this everyday for weeks, you will get physicaaly addicted with too much of it. I know of a site that has the best deal with high quality (not sure if allowed to post) Good luck guys!

I will further this sentiment that the headaches are anxiety related. The poster who was taking benzos and omeprazole had relief all day (omeprazole extends the half life of the benzos). I definitely feel that my headaches are worse a) first in the morning, and b) when under stress (I'm in college, this usually happens when studying).

I myself started taking omeprazole a couple of days ago and am getting a small amount of relief. This didn't make a whole lot of sense since I'm not taking any benzos. However, I remembered that my sleep vitamin (combo of valerian, melatonin and other stuff) has 25mg of GABA (very small amount). While gaba itself is too large to pass the blood brain barrier, in combination with omeprazole (believed to widen the blood brain barrier) it becomes possible to pass through in small amounts (from what I've read, I'm not a chemist/doctor), thus providing relief similar to the benzos or any other GABA derivative that can pass through the BBB. . .

I'm trying to wait this out and stay calm, because with my addictive personality, I don't really want to get on benzos. I purchased some GABA and I might start taking that in small amounts as there have been reports of mild anxiolytic effects even though it can't pass the BBB. I would be interested to see if any others who have been suffering have had any results with similar anti-anxiety/GABA boosting meds.

 

[Placebo1712]

I will further this sentiment that the headaches are anxiety related. The poster who was taking benzos and omeprazole had relief all day (omeprazole extends the half life of the benzos). I definitely feel that my headaches are worse a) first in the morning, and b) when under stress (I'm in college, this usually happens when studying).

I myself started taking omeprazole a couple of days ago and am getting a small amount of relief. This didn't make a whole lot of sense since I'm not taking any benzos. However, I remembered that my sleep vitamin (combo of valerian, melatonin and other stuff) has 25mg of GABA (very small amount). While gaba itself is too large to pass the blood brain barrier, in combination with omeprazole (believed to widen the blood brain barrier) it becomes possible to pass through in small amounts (from what I've read, I'm not a chemist/doctor), thus providing relief similar to the benzos or any other GABA derivative that can pass through the BBB. . .

I'm trying to wait this out and stay calm, because with my addictive personality, I don't really want to get on benzos. I purchased some GABA and I might start taking that in small amounts as there have been reports of mild anxiolytic effects even though it can't pass the BBB. I would be interested to see if any others who have been suffering have had any results with similar anti-anxiety/GABA boosting meds.

Ya man it's very smart for you to wait it out, I stay away from all drugs now except the phenibut until anxiety gets better. But I'm not taking it everyday. Are you experiencing mania?

 

[8L4YN3]

The heart is the main thing that scares me. Mines been since July and I'm still effected pretty bad but thats my own fault. Smoking weed triggers it and makes my heart race. The main problem I have is my heart I've never had the headakes and if I did I prob didn't notice bc I was freaking out about my heart. But I recently decided to quit everything. A now and then freak out just isn't worth it. I want my old life back not having to worry about it and being active so I quit smoking weed, cigs, and doing anything besides drinking. It was fun but there comes a time when you gotta grow up and say screw it lol.

kinda sounds exactly like anxiety. like you smoke weed, then go insanely anxious about your heart thus causing it to go nuts. and because weed hightens heart rate anyways could cause you to worry and induce anxiety.

just throwin it out there though, i obviously dont know your problems for shit man so i'm not saying you got it all wrong or something dude so dont go getting offended on me.

 

[The Network]

I laughed my fuckin' ass off when some kid on here said "there's a reason JWHs stopped being popular in the 70s!!!", dude lol, John W. Huffman and his team didn't start their experiments until 1984.

 

[pavement9]

I have always been weary about jwh-018, It has actually become illegal in Ohio now. But after reading this thread im glad that its gone. The DEA is supposed to run tests on it to find out negative effects. I am really eager to find out what the results are cause im sure if they are negative they will go straight to the media biggots CNN about it.

 

[forums1969]

So if JWH-018 caused issues with the GABA could taking a natural GABa supplement? I'm currently taking 5 HTP which I like so I will try the GABA when I'm out and post my results. Also an update I am feeling a lot better I still have some moments were it's bad, but I'm almost back to normal.

 

[Placebo1712]

Crap this is freaking me out a bit.. I mean I know that I can take phenibut and get relief but I don't want to hook myself on something else again.....

 

[villian]

So if JWH-018 caused issues with the GABA could taking a natural GABa supplement? I'm currently taking 5 HTP which I like so I will try the GABA when I'm out and post my results. Also an update I am feeling a lot better I still have some moments were it's bad, but I'm almost back to normal.

gaba doesn't cross the bbb so taking it via supplement will result in placebo if anything.

 

[glitchedfirewall]

gaba doesn't cross the bbb so taking it via supplement will result in placebo if anything.

Has anyone here tried L-Theanine? I hear it is supposed to boost GABA levels. . .

 

[forums1969]

Does anyone know a natural supplment that crosses the BBB that will raise GABA levels? Also something that is non addictive and safe for everyday use.

 

[Morrow222]

So I've developed a new theory on this. My head hurts so fucking bad right now you can't even imagine I'm literally about to kill myself. I think it's chemical induced anxiety. I don't feel anxious ever, like never ever. I rarely get butterflys in my stomach or anything. I think it just caused your brain to feel anxiety but instead of feeling anxious (like as in your chest) it just causes an incredible amount of pain in your brain. I have to grind my teeth and do all these weird twitchy things like a person with extreme anxiety would do. Shake and my head and I can't talk or think or anything. I think that's why caffeine and THC make it so much worse. And why beer helps so much. People have been saying ativan helps too which contributes to my theory. Anyways, just throwing it out there for people also in need of relief because I can't enjoy anything at all anymore and I'm going insane.

 

[forums1969]

So I've developed a new theory on this. My head hurts so fucking bad right now you can't even imagine I'm literally about to kill myself. I think it's chemical induced anxiety. I don't feel anxious ever, like never ever. I rarely get butterflys in my stomach or anything. I think it just caused your brain to feel anxiety but instead of feeling anxious (like as in your chest) it just causes an incredible amount of pain in your brain. I have to grind my teeth and do all these weird twitchy things like a person with extreme anxiety would do. Shake and my head and I can't talk or think or anything. I think that's why caffeine and THC make it so much worse. And why beer helps so much. People have been saying ativan helps too which contributes to my theory. Anyways, just throwing it out there for people also in need of relief because I can't enjoy anything at all anymore and I'm going insane.

Man I really wish you could find some relief from this pain you have, I am feeling a lot better. I know what you mean though its like the brain/body is constantly stressed and anxious and cannot turn it off. I don't get the headaches that much anymore and if i do its usually caused from wearing my contacts. In some settings I get anxious like at restaurants its weird like I hear all the noises around me when I used to ignore them. I still wish you the best of luck and stay positive also try raising your GABA levels because they help with the anxiety.

 

[Mrhack]

forums1969 if you have aim or yahoo msg me we both seem to be having the exact same symptoms and I want to get to the bottom of this. I think if we put our brains together we can actually figure this out, I been researching this as much if not more then yourself and would love to have someone to talk to about it with. Damn that cloud ten.
aim or yahoo:mrhack636

 

[nopipesdfw]

In some settings I get anxious like at restaurants its weird like I hear all the noises around me when I used to ignore them. I still wish you the best of luck and stay positive also try raising your GABA levels because they help with the anxiety.

(EDIT: Long term, not temporarily induced) Anxiety tends to have much much more to do more with the state of your current cumulative psych than most neurotransmitter balancers/supplements within your reach imo. They might really help a bit plus your masked will and your own hope in your direction, but this thread just feels like the anxious blame ville of no return to me sometimes.

Are your eyes doing any better whenever your put your contacts in, damn JWH torturing your poor little eyes!

I'm going insane.

JWH-XXX's tend to manifest themselves in the form of chains of irrational, panicky thoughts. Ahh, the power of synergy!

But after reading this thread im glad that its gone. The DEA is supposed to run tests on it to find out negative effects.

After I heard about those damn niggers going crazy and killing with the sweet reef I felt quite the same.

Seriously, hopes in turning to an agency to hand over a shady market to a black market because it isn't your vice? (But think of the children and crazy people! Stay out of my lungs and mail, you fuckers!)

 

[Mrhack]

Morrow222 from what I'm reading all benzodiazepines act by enhancing the neurotransmitter GABA. So if thats the case at least from what I'm seeing with myself by adding omeprazole (which is suppose to help the Ativan cross the BBB) to the Ativan and getting perfect relief for a day I'd assume there is something lacking dealing with GABA in our brains.
I took myself off the Ativan because of what I'm reading about withdrawals and addiction to it and I am getting the same symptoms as before (Can't sleep, headaches, an overall not there feeling, vain pulsing, though no panic attacks as of yet).

I been testing a few things like Pharmagaba which is suppose to pass the BBB. It seems to help a little but not much, I plan to test it with some omeprazole tomorrow to see if it will effect me moreso then without.
Last night I tried a Valerin Root with Valerin Root extract pill to help me sleep and it helped knock me out and actually gave me some nice relief for the night compared to nothing at night. From what I read Valerin root is suppose to be high in Gaba so again its pointing back to some type of Gaba issue in the brain would be my assumption.

Also from what I'm reading "Alcohol increases GABA levels to produce mild euphoria, loss of social anxiety, and other symptoms of intoxication."
Which again would describe why beer and other alcohol helps to subside the symptoms.

I also read somewhere that salt can reduce Gaba in your system, smoking weed, and also when gets dark out your system is getting ready for sleep so your Gaba levels drop.
Which would explain why Morrow222 is having more issues when he eats salt, smokes weed, or is up past 8hours. (The salt and weed issue seem to effect me also but I haven't noticed the being up past 8hours issue though, I'm always awake alot longer then most people so I'm sure that has something todo with it)

They also say "Because serotonin is essential to GABA function, increasing serotonin levels in the body has a positive effect on GABA synthesis and function."
So I been drinking green tea like water all day and taking Suntheanine (L-theanine) when I get a headache which actually helps reduce the pain.

Also I noticed when I feel like crap in the morning I go outside and I feel a little bit of relief, again its said "Sunlight suppresses the production of melatonin, and allows serotonin levels to rise. Two hours worth of exposure to natural sunlight, broken up into small doses during the day, will increase serotonin and elevate your mood."

And for the lastly for my vain pulsing issue which I have at times throughout the day on and off seems to be a blood pressure issue and again they say "GABA helps regulate blood pressure." Which would again be why I'd say its Gaba related since I felt none of this while on the Adivan and now that I'm off it this came back.

I'm working on changing my diet also to include more Gaba producing foods, heres an excerpt on Gaba Stimulating Foods:
"Dr. Eric Braverman, an authority on brain chemistry and author of the book, The Edge Effect: Achieve Total Health and Longevity With The Balanced Brain Advantage, lists the following foods which are high in glutamic acid/glutamate. “The more GABA-producing foods you eat, the more you will be able to create,” Dr. Braverman explains. “If you can incorporate these into your diet, the occasional fast-food meal or sinful dessert will have no harmful effect at all,” he explains."
Almonds, Tree nuts, Bananas, Beef Liver, Broccoli, Brown Rice, Halibut, Lentils, Oats, whole grain, Oranges, citrus fruits, Rice bran, Spinach, Walnuts, Whole wheat, whole grains.


Its something todo with Gaba guys I know it, we just need to figure out howto fix it.

 

[glitchedfirewall]

So I've developed a new theory on this. My head hurts so fucking bad right now you can't even imagine I'm literally about to kill myself. I think it's chemical induced anxiety. I don't feel anxious ever, like never ever. I rarely get butterflys in my stomach or anything. I think it just caused your brain to feel anxiety but instead of feeling anxious (like as in your chest) it just causes an incredible amount of pain in your brain. I have to grind my teeth and do all these weird twitchy things like a person with extreme anxiety would do. Shake and my head and I can't talk or think or anything. I think that's why caffeine and THC make it so much worse. And why beer helps so much. People have been saying ativan helps too which contributes to my theory. Anyways, just throwing it out there for people also in need of relief because I can't enjoy anything at all anymore and I'm going insane.

Please don't do anything stupid. I emailed you a while back about my similar problems. As with everyone else here, I agree that its induced anxiety and gaba deficiency. If you haven't stopped ALL drug use (caffeine, sugar, salt, included. 0 of any of these things) I highly urge you to do that. If you have stopped those, just relax. Until about a few weeks ago, I was grinding my teeth nonstop and having the pulsing headaches as well. After I stopped all drug use, switched to a healthier diet with shit tons of vegetables, my headaches have been a bit less frequent and less noticable.


If you don't mind me asking, what is your current occupation? I think I remember somewhere where you mentioned having to quit due to the pain. I'm a student and I just started classes again yesterday. I had a massive headache yesterday as well. (anxiety related) I think its a mindset thing and unfortunately it seems as if you are in a very painful feedback loop (get headache, get anxiety that headaches will NEVER go away, get worse headache, fell like you ruined life, anxiety just spirals out of control) Whether you consciously think this or not, I know it has to be crossing your mind. It crosses my mind every day. And the more I think about the months I used JWH, the more I regret it and the worse my headaches get. In fact, my headache is worsening now, just typing this and reading this forum. ha =/

If you are sitting at home in pain, not doing anything, I can bet you won't ever recover. I had to make a concerted effort to start getting outside, excercising (even if that meant making my headache 10x worse for the whole day and it did for some time), and eating healthy. I don't know how many friends you have, but I would call myself a fairly independent person (I have about 3 friends I talk to on a daily basis and thats about it) Whenever I am around other people, it puts my attention on other things.

Have you tried any benzos, or any of the other drugs previously mentioned in this thread? In your case, since your headaches seem to be so crippling, I imagine that a short term use of a drug like one of these might help you stop the spiral I mentioned earlier. (just a guess, not a doc)

TL;DR - Quit being a pussy and get outside, be healthy, don't do ANY drugs, push through the intense pain, realize that this isn't going to go away in a few weeks. Don't give up.

 

[kayasuma]

IMO, the cause is likely related to GABA receptors. This is probably the reason that alcohol helped. Long term abuse of marijuana can effect these receptors somewhere downstream. There was discussion of this in the advance drug discussion. The psychopharmacology is probably complicated, but it could be that you messed up your system and that is the reason weed and therefore THC is no longer tolerable. The only thing I can suggest is to use hashish instead of weed. It is higher in CBD and could give you more pleasant effects. You may also try GABA agonists such as alcohol or kava when you smoke. It is worth a try.

You could definitely try neurontin (gabapentin). Since alcohol (it effects dopamine and gaba receptors) helped, you might want to investigate gaba analogues and gaba agonists. Neurontin is a gaba analogue and is prescribed for a number of conditions including neuropathic pain, which sound like what you have.

There are also benzodiazepines. These are more addictive and have the potential to ruin your life again if you get addicted. You might want to investigate clonazepam (Klonopin). It is a very long lasting (half-life of up to something like 80 hours lol) benzo that could prove to be beneficial. (Thinking about alcohol again.)

There is one more chemical you could use to make your pain go away. This thing is called Phenibut. It is basically an analogue of GHB, which is the ultimate gaba receptor agonist. The interesting thing about this substance is that is also enhances dopamine in the brain which mimics alcohol. Phenibut is completely legal to buy online (it is NOT a research chem), but you can find it at some herb/neutraceutical websites. Just search "phenibut" on google or whatever and you can get info on it and where to purchase it.

I wish you the best.

 

[Mrhack]

A quick update this morning, I took the 40mg Omeprazol with 200mg of Pharmagaba and seem to feel pretty damn good this morning. It seems to be passing the BBB moreseo then just taking the Pharamagaba. No headaches but my head still feels a little weird, defenatly more relief then not taking the Omeprazol. 2 Prilosecs should do the same thing if you can't get a script for Omeprazol.

In reply to kayasuma's comment about using Phenibut I was debating on trying this however there are alot of reports about nasty withdrawals similar to Benzos plus you gain a huge tolerance to it if your taking it everyday. Some russian doctors mention it can kill you in high doses so be careful if you decide to try using it. (I guess it was originally created in Russia)

 

[forums1969]

@ Mrhack I added you to yahoo messenger. As for me I don't get the headaches that much anymore, but my vision messed up. Sometimes I feel like I can't take in all the imagery around me and I get dizzy. It's worse with my contacts, but my glasses don't normally cause it. I am thinking that maybe my prescribtions has changed.