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Cars and Cannabis - Is it safe? Could it be legal?

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HB1024 will go before congress this year in Colorado. With it comes discussion of finding a way to determine a legal limit to how medicated a patient may be while driving. Much the same way that patrol officers calculate blood alcohol levels for drivers who have been drinking. The only question is, how would they do that? If someone has medicated within the last 24 hours, significant amounts of THC and other cannabinoids will remain in the blood stream, so even a blood test wont be able to decisively decide whether a patient was over some limit decided to be too "high" to safely drive.

I've posted links to several studies on our blog, Cars and Cannabis, that suggest it isn't all that dangerous to be behind the wheel after consuming cannabis, but how can and officer determine how much is too much, or is it an all or nothing deal?


What do you think?
 
Dangerous Driving, is dangerous driving weather your drunk, stoned or a poor driver.
 
cannabis can be helpful for adhd, :P meaning that if ithelps you should be doing it before you drive

I didn't say that no one should drive while high. I said no one should drive dangerously.

If you smoke pot, and fall asleep while driving and crash, you are a danger just like a drunk behind the wheel taking corners too fast.

video....
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=6Z5jkYvKscw
 
I was in a weekend DUI class and out of 20 or so of us one mother was in there because she had prescription pills (legally) but the cop decided to make her get drug tested because of it. Turned out she had smoked weed three days prior to driving but that was enough for the great state of Ohio to revoke her license and send her to DUI "camp".

Not gonna be legal...
 
I believe Virginia's laws are similar.

When I read the title of this thread I thought it would be something like, can your car and your cannabis be friends? Where in your car do you hide your cannabis? How much cannabis do you have to smoke for your car to smile at you? Because those are better questions, TBH.

Should be retitled to "Driving and Cannabis - Is it safe? Could it be legal?"

8o
 
How bout you wait until someone does something dangerous rather than trying to criminalize something that is in their bodily fluids?
 
I remember a study that showed stoned drivers generally cause less accidents than drunk OR sober people, so I've never really known how to side on this debate...
 
I remember a study that showed stoned drivers generally cause less accidents than drunk OR sober people, so I've never really known how to side on this debate...

That would influence politician's laws because they always take studies and facts into account when making decisions about marijuana... oh wait
 
speaking purely harm reduction, no. but lets be honest we all do it. hell driving is one of my favorite things to do while blazed. i think people who dont smoke often or are new to smoking probably shouldnt drive high because when ur not used to being high weed does kind of get u fucked up. but overall i dont think its really too bad at all, i think i read somewhere that in a study people who were high tended to drive more safely than people who were sober
 
Two major new studies by the National Highway Transportation Safety Administration have confirmed marijuana's relative safety compared with alcohol. The first, the most comprehensive drug accident study to date, surveyed blood samples from 1882 drivers killed in car, truck and motorcycle accidents in seven states during 1990-91.3 Alcohol was found in 51.5% of specimens, as against 17.8% for all other drugs combined. Marijuana, the second most common drug, appeared in just 6.7%. Two-thirds of the marijuana-using drivers also had alcohol. The report concluded that alcohol was by far the "dominant" drug-related problem in accidents. It went on to analyze the responsibility of drivers for the accidents they were involved in. It found that drivers who used alcohol were especially culpable in fatal accidents, and even more so when they combined it with marijuana or other drugs. However, those who used marijuana alone appeared to be if anything less culpable than non-drug users (though the date were insufficient to be statistically conclusive). The report concluded, "There was no indication that marijuana by itself was a cause of fatal accidents." (It must be emphasized that this is not the case when marijuana is combined with alcohol or other drugs).

The second NHTSA study, "Marijuana and Actual Driving Performance," concluded that the adverse effects of cannabis on driving appear "relatively small" and are less than those of drunken driving.4 The study, conducted in the Netherlands, examined the performance of drivers in actual freeway and urban driving situations at various doses of marijuana. It found that marijuana produces a moderate, dose-related decrement in road tracking ability, but is "not profoundly impairing" and "in no way unusual compared to many medicinal drugs." It found that marijuana's effects at the higher doses preferred by smokers never exceed those of alcohol at blood concentrations of .08%, the minimum level for legal intoxication in stricter states such as California. The study found that unlike alcohol, which encourages risky driving, marijuana appears to produce greater caution, apparently because users are more aware of their state and able to compensate for it (similar results have been reported by other researchers as well5) It should be noted that these results may not apply to non-driving related situations, where forgetfulness or inattention can be more important than speed (this might explain the discrepancy in the Baltimore hospital study, which looked at accidents of all kinds). The NHTSA study also warned that marijuana could also be quite dangerous in emergency situations that put high demands on driving skills.
http://norml.org/index.cfm?Group_ID=3475#6
 
Two major new studies by the National Highway Transportation Safety Administration have confirmed marijuana's relative safety compared with alcohol. The first, the most comprehensive drug accident study to date, surveyed blood samples from 1882 drivers killed in car, truck and motorcycle accidents in seven states during 1990-91.3 Alcohol was found in 51.5% of specimens, as against 17.8% for all other drugs combined. Marijuana, the second most common drug, appeared in just 6.7%. Two-thirds of the marijuana-using drivers also had alcohol. The report concluded that alcohol was by far the "dominant" drug-related problem in accidents. It went on to analyze the responsibility of drivers for the accidents they were involved in. It found that drivers who used alcohol were especially culpable in fatal accidents, and even more so when they combined it with marijuana or other drugs. However, those who used marijuana alone appeared to be if anything less culpable than non-drug users (though the date were insufficient to be statistically conclusive). The report concluded, "There was no indication that marijuana by itself was a cause of fatal accidents." (It must be emphasized that this is not the case when marijuana is combined with alcohol or other drugs).

The second NHTSA study, "Marijuana and Actual Driving Performance," concluded that the adverse effects of cannabis on driving appear "relatively small" and are less than those of drunken driving.4 The study, conducted in the Netherlands, examined the performance of drivers in actual freeway and urban driving situations at various doses of marijuana. It found that marijuana produces a moderate, dose-related decrement in road tracking ability, but is "not profoundly impairing" and "in no way unusual compared to many medicinal drugs." It found that marijuana's effects at the higher doses preferred by smokers never exceed those of alcohol at blood concentrations of .08%, the minimum level for legal intoxication in stricter states such as California. The study found that unlike alcohol, which encourages risky driving, marijuana appears to produce greater caution, apparently because users are more aware of their state and able to compensate for it (similar results have been reported by other researchers as well5) It should be noted that these results may not apply to non-driving related situations, where forgetfulness or inattention can be more important than speed (this might explain the discrepancy in the Baltimore hospital study, which looked at accidents of all kinds). The NHTSA study also warned that marijuana could also be quite dangerous in emergency situations that put high demands on driving skills.
http://norml.org/index.cfm?Group_ID=3475#6
 
I've driven stoned a lot and never wrecked on it. Bad driving skills are the worst.
But, people in this country will never accept the truth that people are out there driving under influence anyway. How can driving under the influence be crime if it doesn;t affect driving?
 
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