Mdma with levaquin

[Deanobeano]

Hey there guys can somebody please shed light on whether you can take Levaquin 500g anti biotic tablets and MDMA?

Any feedback would be greatly appreciated?

Thanking you in advance

Deano

 

[beatsme]

Levofloxacin is a synthetic chemotherapeutic antibiotic of the fluoroquinolone drug class, and is used to treat severe or life-threatening bacterial infections or bacterial infections that have failed to respond to other antibiotic classes.

if you are sick and taking Levaquin then don't do mdma just for the sake of letting your body recover. Putting more stress by doing mdma will not make things better, and will prolong your recovery from whatever infection you have.

 

[georgewc2001]

I'm not a doctor, but you should be fine. I am frequently on Levaquin due to chronic sinusitis and have rolled while on many different antibiotics. My advice would be to make sure you're 3-4 days into your course of antibiotics before your roll because your body needs time to adjust to the medication. I would say wait until you're done before rolling but rolling definitely knocks down your immune system a bit so IME, it's almost better to do it in the middle of the course so there's still a few days left of the antibiotics after your roll when your immune system is stressed. Otherwise, if you roll right after your antibiotics are done, it stresses your system and the risk of the infection coming right back is even greater.

PM if you have more questions. Unfortunately, I have a TON of experience with this.

 

[georgewc2001]

One thing I forgot, make sure the day of your roll, you take the antibiotics early and eat plenty and the day after your roll, take the antibiotics late in the day after you've got food in you. I've made the mistake of taking antibiotics (Augmentin) the day after a roll on an empty stomach and it wasn't pleasant. Body was stressed from being up all night and no food and so medication hit too hard. Should note, this was after 2 days in a row of rolling hard with almost no sleep. Big mistake.

 

[lolwhatzdrugs]

Levofloxacin is a synthetic chemotherapeutic antibiotic of the fluoroquinolone drug class, and is used to treat severe or life-threatening bacterial infections or bacterial infections that have failed to respond to other antibiotic classes.

if you are sick and taking Levaquin then don't do mdma just for the sake of letting your body recover. Putting more stress by doing mdma will not make things better, and will prolong your recovery from whatever infection you have.

This is very good advice.

Remember that just cause you're feeling better doesn't mean the infection is wiped out. Waiting and finishing the full course is probably a good idea. As mentioned it's a pretty strong antibiotic usually prescribed for serious shit, you don't want those bacteria returning with a vengeance and a immunity to levofloxacin, you can only move to the newest generation of IV antibiotics.


You might know this since you are smart enough to be concerned about drug interactions with MDMA, but it should be said anyway:

NEVER stop taking antibiotics. ALWAYS finish a full course. Feeling better does not mean stop, cause' it can put you in a world of hurt. As I said above, you possibly will have invited back an antibiotic resistant strain of what you're fighting.



I can't even begin to describe the number of people who have told me they felt sick so they took half of their parents prescriptions that they didn't finish.8)

I had a stupid bitch who claimed she was going to med school tell me just that. When I tried to explain her ignorance to her she told me I was wrong, that any amount of antibiotics will help. People don't realize it can make it MUCH WORSE. Agian, obligatory:8)


And again, sorry for the rant, don't think I was aiming that at you since again again, you're concerned/intelligent enough to check out drug interactions.

 

[lolwhatzdrugs]

Just looked this up:
"Many fluoroquinolones, especially ciprofloxacin, inhibit the cytochrome P450 isoform CYP1A2."

You don't want this to happen with MDMA, serotonin syndrome could possibly result from screwing with liver enzymes. They also have rarer side effect of cardiotoxicity and heart arrhythmias, mixing that with a stimulant-like drug is also probably a very bad idea. You should NOT take mdma within atleast 5-7 days of stopping levaquin.


And if anyone is curious, I always thought some of the most FUCKED UP drug side effects came from the fluoroquinolones:

"Levofloxacin is associated with a number of serious and life-threatening adverse reactions as well as spontaneous tendon ruptures and irreversible peripheral neuropathy."

I can't imagine being on an antbiotic and going "y'know, I think my achilles tendon just RUPTURED!?"

 

[georgewc2001]

^lololol...you're reading into that too much...achilles tendon ruptured?! Lololol...that hysterical.

Please, you're being ridiculous. Levaquin is usually very well tolerated. OP, as has been said, avoid rolling if you can, but if you insist, then make sure you're 3-4 days into the course so you know you're body is tolerant of the medication and has had time to adjust.

I have had negative reactions to antibiotics and they're usually at the beginning of the course. More often than not, the body is able to adjust. If you have some dizziness, anxiety, restlessness, etc as you're body is getting adjusted, then just don't roll.

If you do roll, don't go crazy and eat 5 or 10 pills, just moderate and you'll be fine. And, of course, DO NOT drink any alcohol. Just know that you're recovery from your illness will take longer from the stress of the pills on your body. Also, what kind of infection do you have? How bad is it? If it's that serious, then please don't roll...like if you have pneumonia or something.

 

[lolwhatzdrugs]

^lololol...you're reading into that too much...achilles tendon ruptured?! Lololol...that hysterical.

Reading into what? It's a well documented occurrence; I'm not some whack-job, over paranoid about pharmaceutical companies destroying our bodies and minds for profit.

The drug is broad spectrum antibiotic for rather serious infections, some people are willing to risk that side effect for the benefit of not dying.

Even the shareholders want better warnings on the boxes. They don't want to pay out a billion dollars for a class action lawsuit. They want to say 'we told you' that would happen.

Though the FDA requested additional Black Box Warnings concerning the tendon issues in 2008, these warnings were still not present in the inserts for ofloxacin or levofloxacin that are being dispensed by pharmacists in 2009, prompting this second request by a shareholder for stronger warnings and Dear Doctor Letters

I'm not being ridiculous, you're being careless and your advice borders on dangerous and certainly not harm reduction. You just want to 'not read into' the side effects? They're rather serious, for a rather serious drug, for pretty hardcore infections.

Ignoring possible cardiotoxic effects of the drug and accompanying arrhythmias is ridiculous.

If you do roll, don't go crazy and eat 5 or 10 pills, just moderate and you'll be fine.

Yeah, stick with three times a normal dose, don't go crazy or anything and take ten times. Because that would be fucking dumb.

Oh yeah, I can totally guarantee you too you'll be just fine. 8)

YOU DON'T FUCKING KNOW THAT

Keep giving stupid advice about drugs you don't seem to know anything about. Just because the side effect sound bizarre, it must not happen.


Levaquin DOES NOT EQUAL (!=) penicillin.

 

[georgewc2001]

You're just flat out wrong. You're behavior is equivalent to those who would have us believe we're all going to suffer permanent brain damage from taking mdma and we're putting ourselves at serious risk for death because people supposedly die from taking mdma. Those with experience know this to be ridiculous propoganda and the cases cited to be EXTREMELY rare. Christ, I'm sure people die from allergic reactions to aspirin, but I wouldn't tell someone they shouldn't take it cause there was this one case and yadda yadda yadda.

Please, you can scare yourself out of taking anything from reading on the internet. If the OP is that frightened from Levaquin's rare side effects, OP shouldn't take it to begin with.

 

[lolwhatzdrugs]

You're just flat out wrong. You're behavior is equivalent to those who would have us believe we're all going to suffer permanent brain damage from taking mdma and we're putting ourselves at serious risk for death because people supposedly die from taking mdma. Those with experience know this to be ridiculous propoganda and the cases cited to be EXTREMELY rare. Christ, I'm sure people die from allergic reactions to aspirin, but I wouldn't tell someone they shouldn't take it cause there was this one case and yadda yadda yadda.

Please, you can scare yourself out of taking anything from reading on the internet. If the OP is that frightened from Levaquin's rare side effects, OP shouldn't take it to begin with.

No I'm not. Levaquin has a black box warning about what you mentioned as 'reading to much into it.' Those warnings are serious stuff.

Putting words in my mouth about negative effects regarding MDMA is besides the point. If you want to speak in convoluted metaphors, then you're the person who encourages kids to take a few bottles corciden cough and cold for a good ol' trip.

I didn't realize that you had such vast experience with MDMA/fluoroquinolone interactions....

I apologize, I know the company wants to issue black box warnings about their own drug due to some propaganda-machine tactic to... get you to buy more?

Great example with asprin, you're right. Actually a lot of people die from it, they're called children, and it's called Reye's syndrome.


This is my last post on the subject. I'm not going to feed trolls.

If you want to take the advice of the propaganda expert who feels that he can assure you, without a doubt (it's not his life), you'll be fine while ignoring all documentation about the drug, go ahead.

 

[georgewc2001]

I never assured the OP they would be fine. I specifically said I wasn't a doc. I have taken mdma with Levaquin many times no problem.

You're not going to change the fact that if you feel that strongly about Levaquin, then you should be telling the OP not to take it period. If OP is going to have a reaction to Levaquin, then they'll have it. MDMA is not going to make or break it for them.

Sorry lolwhatzdrugs, but there is no substitute for experience.

OP, I would never make a suggestion that I thought would put you in the kind of danger lolwhatzdrugs would have you believe you're in. Neither would your doctor for that matter. If Levaquin was that dangerous, you wouldn't be prescribed it. Is there a minute chance you could have a reaction? Yes, but probably not much more so than the chance you could've reacted negatively the first time you took mdma. If you believe the concerns of lolwhatdrugs are rational, then you shouldn't even take Levaquin to begin with.

 

[lolwhatzdrugs]

I never assured the OP they would be fine. I specifically said I wasn't a doc. I have taken mdma with Levaquin many times no problem.

You're not going to change the fact that if you feel that strongly about Levaquin, then you should be telling the OP not to take it period. If OP is going to have a reaction to Levaquin, then they'll have it. MDMA is not going to make or break it for them.

Sorry lolwhatzdrugs, but there is no substitute for experience.

I think you're reading what you want out of my posts and your own rantings. You contradict yourself in your own message. Are you sure you know what you're even writing?

 

[georgewc2001]

Haha...you got that backwards slick...I'm referring to the mdma not making or breaking the side effects of the Levaquin. There is a risk in everything of course. I'm being reasonable and using experience and common sense. You're the one trying to twist my words.

Thought you were done posting on this? Shall we continue champ?

 

[Deanobeano]

Please help guys

I'm not a doctor, but you should be fine. I am frequently on Levaquin due to chronic sinusitis and have rolled while on many different antibiotics. My advice would be to make sure you're 3-4 days into your course of antibiotics before your roll because your body needs time to adjust to the medication. I would say wait until you're done before rolling but rolling definitely knocks down your immune system a bit so IME, it's almost better to do it in the middle of the course so there's still a few days left of the antibiotics after your roll when your immune system is stressed. Otherwise, if you roll right after your antibiotics are done, it stresses your system and the risk of the infection coming right back is even greater.

PM if you have more questions. Unfortunately, I have a TON of experience with this.

Hey George

Thanks for your feedback buddy much appreciated. Apparently im not able to PM staff yet due to being new to the site?

My story is that Im in Thailand and have a testicular infection which nicely responded to four days of Levafloxicin/Levaquin iv drip treatment. The doctor prescribed 5 days of Levomac 500g tablets, after the iv treatment (one a day) and after the first tablet which was the fifth day of treatment (four drips and one tablet), i did some yoga and started feeling dizzy and heart was racing. I then didnt take the tablet the following evening and took some molly not much but enough to get me going. The next day the pain returned to my testicles and I resumed the Levomac tablets coupled with Ibroprofen tablets.

My problem is theres a big night out tommorow i want to do some Molly do I stop taking the Levomac and when I get back to London in two weeks get treated there with better antibiotics? Or should I take the Molly...Will it be harmful to my health long term? Will I drop dead if I do the Molly, Will I get brain damaged? sorry to be so dramatic but im so confused.

Any help will be appreciated

Cheers buddy

 

[delta_9]

Welcome to Bluelight, DeanoBeano

I don't know much about this subject personally, however we have a very useful thread in our Healthy Living forum that you may find quite useful.

Guide to Antibiotics and MDMA

Apparently im not able to PM staff yet due to being new to the site?

Actually staff members are the only people you are able to PM until you reach "Bluelighter" status at 50 posts.

Please stay safe and enjoy your stay here at Bl
-d_9

 

[Deanobeano]

Guys if anybody has some further comments on my last post highlighting my situation and treatment I would greatly appreciate some feedback. Im really confused because I want to poarty but I dont obviously want to die/damage myself. Sorry for the drama but very very worried!!!

 

[cabooses]

First of all, you probably shouldn't take MDMA at all, as Beatsme said, because it will add undue stress to your body as it tries to recover.

Second, you should always take antibiotics to their full dose, unless you have a negative reaction (such as dizzyness and heart racing as you mention) in which case you should consult your doctor.

The fact that you want to party should take a back seat to getting your body to full health.

 

[georgewc2001]

DeanoBeano, sorry just getting to your post, but I've been out for a few days...

Please listen carefully...DO NOT take any more mdma. Finish off your antibiotics. Mdma will always be there. What you did is exactly what not to do. Let me explain...

As I posted previously, you should not have taken the molly after experiencing the side effects of the Levomac because it was really only the 2nd day. Your body was still adjusting. If you read all my posts, I was very specific in what I said for a reason. You need to let your body get adjusted to the antibiotics 1st.

The problem that can happen (and did happen to me) is when you start a course as you did and stop after experiencing some side effects, take molly, and then return directly to the antibiotics. After the molly, your body could be more sensitive now to the medication. I'm talking short term here.

In my case, I always had a day or two of some VERY uncomfortable side effects from Augmentin, which would eventually subside. One time, I was two days into Augmentin and went on a weekend binge on mdma. I stopped taking my Augmentin to avoid the stress on my body, which allowed the infection to rebound of course. I started taking the Augmentin again on Sunday after a weekend of LOTS of pills. This is an extreme case, but bare with me.

My body being so stressed from the pills reacted with EXTRA strong side effects to the Augmentin and was unable to work through them as usual, so I am no longer able to take ANY penicillan med. I switched to Levaquin and was reacting to that harshly too, but was luckily able to work through it. The danger here is I could've fucked myself into not being able to tolerate any antibiotic....then how would I have treated my infection?

Sorry for the long-winded story, but you need to be very careful. Now, like a mentioned previously, if you take it easy on the mdma, IME the risk is much less. However, in your case, you're taking about your testicles...do you really wanna take risks with your boys? ;-)