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Mr. Squiggle!

Mr. Squiggle!

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Re: Hey!

OK. So I wanna get of the benzodiazepines for good!

...and so I have implemented a strategy to do so...Since I don't work (I'm a Student), I figure that Phenobarbital and Exercise are the way to go...

So, I'm think 8 Phenobarbital tablets per day, in divided doses, with this:

Morning

60 minutes of rowing.

45 minutes of weight-lifting.

15 minutes of skipping.

(Transcendental Meditate for 10 minutes!)



Midday/Afternoon

30 minutes of rowing.

20 minutes of weightlifting.

10 minutes of skipping.

(Transcendental Meditate for 10 minutes!)



Evening

30 minutes of running.

15 minutes of weightlifting.

15 minutes of rowing.

(Transcendental Meditate for 10 minutes!)

and then during 2 weeks I cut down on the Phenob, 1 tablet per day, and continue on with this exercise regime?

Whaddyal think? I'll be back tomorrow to find some good posts 8)

peace,
Squiggles.
 
no offence, but I do not think addiction can be beaten by some exercise,
substitution doesn't work, unless it is some sort of maintenance setup,

maybe people in this forum know you better, but stopping benzos is not easy and for people to offer you advice they would need more info,

I think you should contact a doctor or addiction specialist to come off benzo's, and while I do not know your usage i would advise against cold turkey or substitution.

I think you are high.
 
lol exercise.... :p Sounds like you need to see a phyc. Why dont you go see a doctor? You wont be able to get barbs weren't u saying it was S8!?
Phenobarb is not scripted in australia for benzo detox you need to know a doctor.
Yeah barbs is what got me off benzos. I was on like 50 valiums a day.
Do you understand what benzos do to ya brain?
Do some research. www.google.com
find the Ashton manual and read the forum.
Peace is one thing you not going to get detoxin from benzos.
 
I' discuss it with your doctor Mr Squiggle.

Purely looking at your exercise regime I'd say you'd be overtraining unless you're already an athlete. Any more than 3 or 4 x 45 minute weight sessions per week is overkill, your body won't have sufficient recovery time, and you'll injure yourself. Especially if you're sticking to the big compound lifts. With your morning weight sessions I'd do a short warm-up, then do your weights, and then do your running/rowing. I'd drop your midday and evening weight sessions in favour of more endurance training too.

boodha said:
I think you should contact a doctor or addiction specialist to come off benzo's, and while I do not know your usage i would advise against cold turkey or substitution.
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^ Good advice.
 
God Damn, never in my time (and previous accounts, mostly ACD, have I come across such negative comments.

And Exercise releases eeeeeeeENDORPHINS/makes you look big, feel good inside...

I know all they're is about benzodiazepine addiction and withdrawal...so I'm going to give this schedule a shot!

Will report back to you guys in err, let's make that 15 days (one day extra for the benzo's).

Doctor's are croakers, especially the ones who charge you $60 for a 10 minute consultation.
 
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Yes exercise releases endorphins but depending on your addiction etc, you may not even be able to exercise, also you're routine is over-strenuous. If you haven't exercised in a while, you definitely won't be able to keep going on day 2.

What dose do you take per day and how long for?

Yeah sure, most doctors are shit but they can help, there is many services available to you by people who are professionals at this. Search around and find a good doctor, it's worth it.
 
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I don't think his comments are intentionally insulting, and bluelight is a place for HR. Of course we're gonna say a doctor / addiction specialist is the first place he should go. But as I'm sure many of you are aware Mr. Squiggle has it in for them for whatever reason.

Alternative methods for quitting/reducing drug use should be encouraged and not dismissed. I do think you'll have a hell of a time trying to quit addiction by increasing exercise and as Belarki said if you're not already an athlete starting on that exericise reigeme will be far too much.

I'm guessing your thought process is that if you make your schedule very busy and benzo free it will be easier to get through the withdrawel phase. You very well may find this is not to be the case. Remember to keep yourself well hydrated and best of luck over the next two weeks I look forward to seeing how it pans out for you.
 
Lets just keep this on topic please and leave the personal shit aside.

I'm not familiar with benzo withdrawal at all but I'd also be pretty wary about just stopping cold turkey; I hope you're being careful Mr Squiggle. I just remember one time I decided to quit everything and get healthy and had all these grand plans to exercise every day and shit - when it came down to it I spent the first week in bed, despite my best intentions. Just suggesting it's best to keep things realistic, start slow, and don't give it all in if you don't achieve all your goals straight up.
 
Wise words footscrazy...12 Phenobarb's per day, 6 divided in doses. I've been exercising a bit over the holidays...so it's not as though I'm unfit (part from my habitual smoking habit)...

Cheers.
 
Ive been taking alprazolams about 4-8mg daily for the past 12-16months and i exercise regularly. I dont think u shoukd stop cold turkey. Best way is to taper ur dose each time til u are virtually taking nothing. To be honest id suggest the same as above and speak to a doctor about ur habit. Im considering the same and also with my opiate addiction. Uve made the correct steps and decision but like i said u mite need to see a doctor or someone who can overcome ur addiction. Benzo withdrawals are very bad. Good luck n keep it up.
 
Cheers guys. Yeah, I'm planning on tapering. I figure that 18 Phenobarbs = my addiction to benzodiazepines, and slowly yet surely each day I will drop down 2 pills of Phenobarb, and I this addiction to clonazepam/alprazolam slowly yet surely...

Sustanon, 4-8 mg daily for 12-16 months. Brother, you are in a world of hurt.

I mean it's nice to take a break from the benzos every now and then.

Night all!
 
Mr. Squiggle! said:
Cheers guys. Yeah, I'm planning on tapering. I figure that 18 Phenobarbs = my addiction to benzodiazepines, and slowly yet surely each day I will drop down 2 pills of Phenobarb, and I this addiction to clonazepam/alprazolam slowly yet surely...

Sustanon, 4-8 mg daily for 12-16 months. Brother, you are in a world of hurt.

I mean it's nice to take a break from the benzos every now and then.

Night all!
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I take smaller breaks every now n then. Went for a holiday for a week and didnt have any and no WD symptoms. I find that its not even that recreational anymore. Sumtimes i just pop a few just to help me sleep.
 
mr squiggle: what benzos are you taking, the daily dosage, and for how long.

As others have said that weight training is too much even if you are otherwise fit and healthy. You shouldn't weight train more than say 5 times a week, training different muscle groups because otherwise you are overtraining and won't grow much.

Like others, I also recommend talking to a doctor and devising a tapering plan. they can organise daily dispensing at your pharmacy if you have probs with self control.

I don't know about phenobarbitol, but tapering with a benzo, preferably valium due to its long half life is the way to go. Even with tapering giving them up is a painful experience, but it is managable. cold turkey would be absolutely hellish (I have missed days on benzos and it is extremely distressing and uncomfortable). If you are taking high doses and for a long time there are risks of things like seizures which can be fatal. Go see a doctor!

I did find that sticking to a regular routine helped me, and I tried to exercise a bit but it was difficult due to all the nausea. Keeping social with friends (just chatting not partying) helped me keep my mind off what I was going through. Also, you won't want to eat but force yourself too because it will make you feel a bit better.

Other tips:
I found ginger to be quite good in reducing the nausea.
Eat healthy meals
have supportive people around you
When tappering, have a dose in the morning and one in the evening. I didn;t do this initially and took it all at night which made it alot more difficult than breaking the dose into twice daily.

Hope this helps and good luck. Definately go see a doctor and let them advise you on what needs to be done.
 
Can I just add from a fitness point - there's not point attempting weights training (eg, to build muscle) without first having general fitness along with healthy eating habits!

Goodluck Mr. Squiggle! :) Kicking any habit/form of addiction is difficult (to say the least).
 
Thank you guys.

Well, it's hard to exercise ONCE you are in the withdrawal stage. I mean, it's like, you can't be bother because of all the stress involved with exercising.

And so now I'm back on the B-Bus, withdrawal is knocking on my door.

4-20 mg of Clonazepam
4-8 mg of Alprazolam
+
50 mg of Diazepam (alternate switchover from Clonazepam/Alprazolam to have a "rest" for about 8 steady months.

Now, I'm doing a Rivotril taper. After I had OD'd on Phenobarbitol (50 x 30 mg tablets) (mixed it with some Lyrica fellas), I'm so fucked (couldn't walk right).

But heyyyyy, at least I got a loving family behind me.
 
Mr. Squiggle! said:
Thank you guys.


And so now I'm back on the B-Bus, withdrawal is knocking on my door.

4-20 mg of Clonazepam
4-8 mg of Alprazolam
+
50 mg of Diazepam (alternate switchover from Clonazepam/Alprazolam to have a "rest" for about 8 steady months.
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I don't mean to alarm you, but that is a fuck tonne of benzos. I take you were taking the xanax and the valium at the same time, plus the clonazepam?

dude, you need to go see a doctor and be honest and work out a tapering plan. Your going to get one hell of a lecture, but a proper tapering plan is essential for your level of benzo abuse.

if your don't do this properly, and with medical supervision, you could be in for a world of hurt. Its going to be painful anyway.

GO SEE A DOCTOR ASAP!
 
Nah psy, Xanax and Clonazepam at the same time. 50 tablets of Valium at once to get a temporary relief from the benzos'. And would you believe me that if I said that all this shit was RXed by the same doctor? Fuck.
 
^ thats a pretty negligent doctor to let things get to this stage. might be worth getting in touch with a doctor that specialises in drug addiction (maybe turning point drug and alcohol can recommend someone) and then working out a sensible tapering plan with them.

Your still taking roughly the equivalent of 100mg to 160mg of valium a day on the xanax alone.

I don't know what the conversion is for Clonazepam - is it strong like xanax? never taken the stuff.

Good luck with this, but get a good and slow tapering plan set up by a competent doctor.
 
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