Hello, help on injecting heroin got groin

[torresboot]

Alright people? Right then,never been on here before and need some advice,if someone can point to right thread pls. Ive been injecting Heroin for for a few mths now,its getting harder to get myself in the arms,i dont want to go legs or feet,friends of mine go in the groin,i NEED to know the in and outs of this pls,my friends think they know it all,and frankly I dont trust them,what would happen if I hit the artery,capillaries etc?any help pls?

 

[theotherside]

Welcome to Bluelight....I am going to move this over the Basic Drug Discussion so you can get a better answer. Feel free to make an intro thread here in NMI later on.

 

[ektamine]

Not the groin!

The femoral vein (groin) should be your last option. Its very dangerous. Its smooshed up right next to a major nerve and a major artery. You do NOT want to hit either of those.

As far as I know, it should go:

Arms > Hands > Feet > Legs > Groin.

With Neck being either after or right before Groin, however as I understand this location is (also) highly discouraged. I would definitely recommend going to your hands before moving down the line any further. If you decide to use your feet / legs, make sure to pay extra attention to your cleanliness as these locations are often much more exposed to bacteria and the like.

 

[MindFruit]

Don't go for your groin. That's just dangerous and stupid. Go for your hands or feet instead. They are fairly easy to hit, and don't hurt that badly. Plus nobody will notice track marks on your feet.

 

[ektamine]

what would happen if I hit the artery,capillaries etc?any help pls?

According to the folks over @ my needle exchange, it would be quite a blood bath and often times the pressure of your artery would blow the syringe back out of your body and spray blood all over the wall.

Not a situation I would personally like to find the outcome of

btw, check out the Injection; IV Complications and Information MEGATHREAD and FAQ over in OD.
It has a good deal of information and a collection of links to more information.

 

[LiquidEx]

Lol dude, if you've only been using for a few months even your arms should be still be able to be used for injections, people I know who inject into the groin do it as absolutely a last ditch option, and seriously these guys i'm talking about are major major addicts who have been doing heroin for atleast 5 years. Injecting into the femoral vein is highly highly dangerous, you could lose a limb or even die. Seriously dude you should not even be considering this especially after a few months, you should be worrying about this shit in a few YEARS.

 

[ch1nawhite]

your neck
your hand (will hurt like a bitch if u miss)
a new vein on your arm (google which vein goes where [heart, etc] )

 

[ektamine]

your neck
your hand (will hurt like a bitch if u miss)
a new vein on your arm (google which vein goes where [heart, etc] )

I'm pretty sure those options should be flipped around, like:

a new vein on your arm
your hand
your neck

and I feel it necessary to reiterate my warning about using your neck, like the groin, this should only be used when all your other options have been exhausted. I can't recall exactly why its dangerous at the moment, and don't feel like researching it right now, but if you are considering doing this please read up on it first. Google.

 

[pesky wabbit]

wtf?!?!? you've been banging up for a couple of month's and have lost your veins in your arms already???

boy, you got some real bad injecting technique

i know people that have been going into their arms for decades and can still get access

read this for a start http://www.exchangesupplies.org/article_the_safer_injecting_briefing_introduction.php

then get to your local NX and learn how to keep yourself safe properly

banging up into your groin makes you 10x plus more likely to die than in your ams which is 10x more likely to make you die than smoking gear

 

[pesky wabbit]

I'm pretty sure those options should be flipped around, like:

a new vein on your arm
your hand
your neck

and I feel it necessary to reiterate my warning about using your neck, like the groin, this should only be used when all your other options have been exhausted. I can't recall exactly why its dangerous at the moment, and don't feel like researching it right now, but if you are considering doing this please read up on it first. Google.

neck injecting is bad cause when you lose the veins in your neck, you are fecked

also, gangrene in your arms means you might lose an arm (lower legs, means leg... foor means , well just that)

its pretty hard to amputate a gangrenous grojn and neck without killing you

 

[ektamine]

neck injecting is bad cause when you lose the veins in your neck, you are fecked

also, gangrene in your arms means you might lose an arm (lower legs, means leg... foor means , well just that)

its pretty hard to amputate a gangrenous grojn and neck without killing you

Thanks for expanding on that. Yeah, I imagine it might be a bit hard to survive without your jugulars

Btw, nice user name!

 

[Depressicaa]

wtf?!?!? you've been banging up for a couple of month's and have lost your veins in your arms already???

boy, you got some real bad injecting technique

i know people that have been going into their arms for decades and can still get access

read this for a start http://www.exchangesupplies.org/article_the_safer_injecting_briefing_introduction.php

then get to your local NX and learn how to keep yourself safe properly

banging up into your groin makes you 10x plus more likely to die than in your ams which is 10x more likely to make you die than smoking gear

Yeah this is what I'm thinking, thats a little too fast isn't it?

 

[torresboot]

Guys,thanks for the replies,and pesky wabbit,your right, im no good at this,and people around me who do it I simply dont trust,ive let others get me and ive ended up with lumps and bruises everywhere! And ive been using for approx 10yrs now, and resisted properly injecting until a few mths back,up till then id only done it about 5times in that 10yrs, a mate once got me with a groin/roid spike in the pit of my elbow and that tap about 3yrs ago,theres still a mark from that and I just cant get it again,and that surely should be the easiest?

 

[torresboot]

According to the folks over @ my needle exchange, it would be quite a blood bath and often times the pressure of your artery would blow the syringe back out of your body and spray blood all over the wall.

Not a situation I would personally like to find the outcome of

btw, check out the Injection; IV Complications and Information MEGATHREAD and FAQ over in OD.
It has a good deal of information and a collection of links to more information.

Thanks for this link too, ill be checking that straight away mate,nice one buddy!

 

[ektamine]

Yeah this is what I'm thinking, thats a little too fast isn't it?

I'd say so. I've been banging shit for years and haven't even lost one of my forearm veins. I would say there are 3 obvious possibilities here:

• You're veins are fine, but you have poor technique and can't hit them.
• You're veins are fucked, because of poor technique in the past.
• You're veins are fucked, because the quality of your shit has been unspeakably horrible (i.e. black tar covered in feces from being smuggled across the border in a drug mules ass unprotected. <-- exaggerated and unlikely).

For the sake of Harm Reduction, here's 3 solutions:

• Work up on your technique, so you can stop damaging and start hitting the veins in your arms.
• Work up on your technique, so you can safely move to the next location if the veins in your arms really are exhausted.
• Find better quality heroin, or stop shooting it until you can find it / can quit.

In any case I wish you the best of luck and good fortune,
and I hope you don't find my tone as inconsiderate,
I've simply had way too much caffeine & AA this morning.

 

[ch1nawhite]

before goin sober, i was shooting dope all day, EVERY day, couple hundred a day (multiple, HIGH amounts of dosing HIGH quality product), maybe more on some days- for lets say 2.5-3 years to be safe. i did not loose one vein, they are all still there, and still very easy to hit. when you shoot, you have to be VERY carefull, you dont want to wiggle it around, tear anything, or hit the SAME EXACT spot every time, to cause it to get weak, i would usually space out the iv location a couple millimeter's every dose, so nothing would rupture or tear. i knew a 16 yr old girl that shot more than i did, and i remember one night sitting in her basement, and she was honostly repeatedly stabbing herself in the arm (like murderers n shit do), wasnt tryn to draw up blood or anything, just straight stabbing herself over and over.. im like yo wtf is ur deal chill the fuck out. she says i cant find a vien, now i cant do my shot.... im like you are fucking psycho! ur not trying ur just repeatedly STABBING yourself...
she was actually, pull it out, cock arm back and stab her self, pull it out, cock arm back and stab her self. im like wtf.... lol. she lost all hers within a year, and 2.5-3 years later mine were still good. but i heard not to long ago she is having very serious health problems now (circulation, heart). BUT then again, my shit i got in dayton was raw and untouched, dude had it goin for a while (got popped). so i had good shootin technique, and good dope, so mine are like nothin ev happened.

if you been shooting a couple months, your fuckin arms should be fine, unless your ruthless and violent on them (or at least not a stead hand while injecting) . quit being a girl, tie ur arm off and fist you hand a couple times.

possibly you should go back to snorting..

 

[silleeellis]

injecting inthe groin

if you hit an atarie it burns hot and cold at the sametime like pins and needles around the point of injection and in some cases follows the atarie down and burns for half a foot. Be clean about it, if the blood is dark your in the atarie if its light red go for it, so yous an empty needle to help track it before you go for the real thing unless you've got your own exray machine, every one is different regarding location but I would be more worryed about an over dose. once aday for all veins or your asking for it to become blocked. once you've got it once you should be alright but its playing with fire man, we can't do this shit when were fifty unless you've had a big brake were going to have to stop somtime. I continue because I'd kill very one who got me started. I'm just on the bup but I filter it by ataching it to a fan and let gravity make it100% clear then put it to a new fit but you can only do this for about five years same with every thing before you need a brake or you'll be fucked.

 

[BrokedownPalace]

During my former IV endeavors, shooting dope didn't do much damage on my veins really. I lost one in my arm from shooting dope, but that was back in the beginning before I knew about the needle exchange, and you can't buy needles here in Jersey. Fucking stupid. But anyways, what did the REAL damage, was shooting fucking Coke. Oh man.. My girl and I would easily do like 30 shots each a night of coke, sometimes ususing fucking needles that looked like a butter knife. Horrible shit.

THat, along with the year of chemo therapy I went through last year, I have one usable arm vein, and one in my hand that can sometimes be hit. The phlebotomists always had such a hard time, and honest to god a few times they let me do it because they knew of my past and I knew my veins like the back of my hand.

 

[BrokedownPalace]

. Be clean about it, if the blood is dark your in the atarie if its light red go for it,

No, that is INCORRECT. Arterial blood is light red, and if you hit an artery the force of the blood can sometimes shoot the syringe back out. Registering in an artery, the blood will be bright red plumes kinda going in like a heart beat.. If you are in a vein, you will get darker, slower moving blood upon drawing back.

Again.

Light red, forceful = artery = fail =

Dark red, slow moving = vein = win ! = %)

 

[John_Burrows]

First of all, a little piece of advice: don't take advice from anyone who can't even SPELL "artery" or "groin."

Also, I'm a little worried that you're so quick to jump into your groin I figure the closer you get to your dick with a needle the more likely it is that you should just quit while you're ahead (in other words, alive).

Anyone who's done any research and reading up on IV knows to stay away from the groin, so I have a feeling you've jumped into IV without really educating yourself (if you had, you probably wouldn't be in a position where you're arms and hands were all used up).

I'm not trying to be mean (it comes naturally), but if you can take a deep breath, look in the mirror and admit you haven't been so smart about your injecting, then maybe you can admit you might be wrong about your idea that it's time to stick it in your "special area."

Here's what I think a good game plan is: stop injecting for a short time. Snort and plug while you re-educate yourself and give your veins time to heal (def read up on plugging, the blood vessels in your fudge tunnel absorb drugs almost as effectively as IV, so you can still get a good buzz with almost no risk).

As suggested, go to a needle exchange and ask for help. I know it's kind of weird to go to some strangers and say "hi, can you give me junkie lessons?" but trust us, they WANT to help people like you stay safe. They'll probably even give you a chocolate bar for being brave enough to come forward.

They will check out your arms and help you figure out if it's as bad as you think. They will show you what to do and give you reading material on how to IV.

This whole process will probably take less than a few weeks and, chances are, your groin will live to love again.

Oh, and to whomever said missing a shot in your hands hurts more than the arms, I don't agree - no matter where you miss, sometimes it's better than others.

Good luck Mr Groin and may the FORCE be with you!