Alcohol Replacement

[skylines7]

Anyone who happens to read this thread, and feels like things can never change - for example you will never not crave opiates or your DOC, just remember that as humans we can always adapt and change. I don't give in to all that "once an addict, always an addict" propoganda.

Anyway, I got drunk for the first time the summer of 7th grade going into 8th grade. Ever since, I got drunk every weekend and loved it. I loved partying, meeting new people, and trying new drugs.

Now I am about to turn 21, go to college in a big party town, and don't like drinking at all anymore.

My DOC is Opiates, and I used to be the guy at the party who was friends with everyone, getting really wasted and high, and able to chat up anybody.

Now when I go to parties, I can't get really drunk anymore and generally don't have a good time.

I have been thinking of maybe making an opiate type drink that I can drink all night and have fun, but do you bluelighters have any other suggestions for me?

Be Safe Everybody..

 

[AndroidsDreamofBTC]

You might wana look into GBL/GHB. Maybe mephedrone? Personally I wasn't too into partying when I did opiates, I'd just sit on the couch and laugh and stupid drunk people. I would get too high to really feel like meeting new people or chatting chicks up.

 

[theotherside]

^^Those, as well as Kava can be suitable replacements for ethanol.

 

[lolwhatzdrugs]

Suggestions for getting fucked up and having fun at parties, or making some opioid infusion/drink?

If the latter, poppy tea, or take any opioid with high oral B/A, dissolve in soda, ignore flavor, drink slowly over the night. Don't mix with alcohol.

 

[skylines7]

GHB as in the date rape drug? I haven't heard of Mephedrone, I'll have to research it. Lol, and I hear you about sitting on the couch. I always like to do some opiates when I go out on the weekends as well, and I have much better game when i'm high.

I'm interested in Kava. I remember coming across it when I was researching Kratom. I'll have to do some more research.

And it doesn't necessarily have to be an opiod drink. Just some kind of drink that has intoxicating properties, specifically ones that will loosen me up in a social situation. I suffer from some social anxiety nowadays. It is crazy because when I was in High School I was the least anxious kid you ever met, always meeting new people and doing crazy ass shit...after battling a couple years of opiate addiction it really took a toll on me mentally.

Thanks for the input so far!

 

[mzemily]

I wish I had answers, but mostly relate with what you said. I had about a 3 year period where I drank A LOT of wine every night, up until 9 or 10 months ago. Now I'm at the point where I can drink a beer or two every once in awhile but other than that alcohol all but nauseates me. Unfortunately I replaced that with opiates, over time, but that is much more a psychological addiction because for the most part I don't have access to opiates. I find this addiction a lot more frustrating because I think about it a lot....with drinking I could get it any time I wanted but it turns out it was a poor substitute for what really made me feel good. I'm still struggling daily.

 

[lolwhatzdrugs]

GHB as in the date rape drug?

Technically that's what it's infamous for, but if you've ever taken it you know very well why it won't work for date rape. (Not that this matters to any one unless you're a sick fuck)

It tastes very uniquely, and would be very hard to spike a drink without that individual knowing.

You're probably not going to have an easy time obtaining GHB/GBL anyway, and they can be just as devastatingly addictive as the next heavy ass drug.

I think your best bet of what has been mentioned so far is kava. It's readily available in most countries legally, reduces inhibition and makes being sociable easier. Many people love kava, I never was too impressed, but it's worth the try.

There are several legal GABA agonists that will probably have similar results. Phenibut is a supplement which some people also like, personally it made me feel weird as hell before I ever felt sociable. Valerian root has a GABA effect, as do many other 'anti-anxiety' supplements.

As for kratom, I wouldn't even bother. If your drug of choice is opioids, kratom is so pathetically weak you will probably never enjoy it. I never did.

The one time I bought/tried mephedrone, I was very pleasantly surprised. It felt like I was rolling, I talked my ass off. It was pleasant to insuffulate. I tried it with a friend who is extremely sensitive to most psychoactive compounds, he enjoyed it a lot too. I went through it like a crack head to crack :D. I have never been able to find a source for it again so I said fuck it. (not asking, just musing on availability)

 

[skylines7]

Yeah GHB is out of the questions. I think the social consequences of drinking that shit in public would be detrimental considering what the publics take on it is.

Mephedrone sounds interesting, although it seems like for its effects I would be better of picking up adderall? Or am I wrong...

I am leaning towards Kava, does anyone know how it tastes?

I'll do some research on the Valerian root as well, maybe i'll order both at the same time.

Yeah, when I first read about Kratom I started showing all my boys like "look at this shit it's legal and it's just like dope and oxy's"...i knew it was too good to be true..and it was. I didn't try it yet, but after plenty of research I realized that the best use for my situation would be coming off of opiates.

 

[skylines7]

I wish I had answers, but mostly relate with what you said. I had about a 3 year period where I drank A LOT of wine every night, up until 9 or 10 months ago. Now I'm at the point where I can drink a beer or two every once in awhile but other than that alcohol all but nauseates me. Unfortunately I replaced that with opiates, over time, but that is much more a psychological addiction because for the most part I don't have access to opiates. I find this addiction a lot more frustrating because I think about it a lot....with drinking I could get it any time I wanted but it turns out it was a poor substitute for what really made me feel good. I'm still struggling daily.

First off, Huge Congrats on your clean time from alcohol. Although you picked up an opiate habit, going 10 months free of drinking after 3 years is a huge accomplishment. My grandmother is an alcoholic so I know how difficult it can be.

If you can, try to avoid opiates. Once you get a steady hook-up it will be all downhill from there. I wish you the best of luck with whatever the future may bring to you!!

 

[amapola]

Kava tastes okay I guess...definitely not good but not gagging for me at least. I suppose most similar to woody ginger?

I see you haven't had Kratom after researching it but in sub-sedating doses it can be very energizing, euphoric and induce empathy. Also all those people who say it sucks are used to popping hydros/oxy, try to take 30g to get a nod, and throw up from eating half a liter of powdered plant. It fucking kicks ass on all occasions as a light drug and if you look up the active alkaloids you'll see 7-hydroxymitragynine is 20 times stronger than morphine. It's just a fairly low concentration and eating to much wood upsets the stomach.

 

[mzemily]

First off, Huge Congrats on your clean time from alcohol. Although you picked up an opiate habit, going 10 months free of drinking after 3 years is a huge accomplishment. My grandmother is an alcoholic so I know how difficult it can be.

If you can, try to avoid opiates. Once you get a steady hook-up it will be all downhill from there. I wish you the best of luck with whatever the future may bring to you!!

Thank you so much! I really never thought I'd be free from wanting to drink every night, and now I can't imagine how I did it! Honestly the thought repulses me! Luckily I don't have a hookup as far as opiates go, and don't forsee finding one. Like I said it's more the psychological torture that is getting me with this substance.

 

[skylines7]

Kava tastes okay I guess...definitely not good but not gagging for me at least. I suppose most similar to woody ginger?

I don't know if you've had Kratom or not after researching it but in sub-sedating doses it can be very energizing, euphoric and induce empathy.

I haven't had Kratom, but researched pretty extensively...although when I was researching I was looking for opiate like effects, and realized with my tolerance it wasn't gonna happen. What you're saying might be just what i'm looking for in my social party drink.

Mzemily, that psychological part is what gets you with the Opiates. It's better than sex lol, so naturally our brains are going to think about!!

 

[lolwhatzdrugs]

Kava's genus is Piper, the genus of the pepper family. In turn kava has a sharp peppery flavor, but it's unique to kava.

You can buy kavalactones extracted in gel caps so you won't taste it. Some people like the flavor, and it also acts as a topical anesthetic, so if you're drinking an extract it will taste a unique peppery and then your throat and mouth will go numb. Some people even report their stomach feeling numb. Personally I don't know how one's stomach feels numb.

As for mephedrone; no adderall and it are not comparable other than both being stimulating. Adderall doesn't make me want to talk a lot, I just feel speedy as hell. Mephedrone is a more euphoric feeling, it's also shorter lived.

 

[debaser]

Try phenibut, it's still legal. Dose up to 3/4 grams for euphoria. Don't mix with alky or other downers though.

 

[skylines7]

All these responses have been great so far, just want to let you guys know they are very much appreciated.

 

[ektamine]

Yeah GHB is out of the questions. I think the social consequences of drinking that shit in public would be detrimental considering what the publics take on it is.

Mephedrone sounds interesting, although it seems like for its effects I would be better of picking up adderall? Or am I wrong...

I am leaning towards Kava, does anyone know how it tastes?

I'll do some research on the Valerian root as well, maybe i'll order both at the same time.

Yeah, when I first read about Kratom I started showing all my boys like "look at this shit it's legal and it's just like dope and oxy's"...i knew it was too good to be true..and it was. I didn't try it yet, but after plenty of research I realized that the best use for my situation would be coming off of opiates.

You must be in the US, yeah? Me too. Its a shame, really, that the media has demonized GHB to this level here. Its really not all that true, ketamine could be and has been used as a date rape drug just like GHB. Hell, I'd bet there are even cases of MDMA-induced 'date-rape' or something.

But if the social stigma (which around my part of the country, only exists in the drug-naive) is that prevalent where you are, maybe try GBL? Most of the people dumb enough to judge you for self-dosing GHB ('cause omg itz teh date rapz0rs druqk) won't even realize that GBL is basically the same thing

 

[K'd-OUT-in-AZ]

GHB is labeled a "date rape drug" just because rapists realized that GHB happens to be sedating therefor at higher doses it can knock their victims out. If you are aware you are taking the drug you can just take a correct dose and you'll be fine, very loose and social. Less inhibited & quite euphoric. The same reasoning is behind rohypnol "Roffies". Its a sedating benzodiazepine, just as sedating as many other benzodiazepines and can "knock you out" but the media latched on to it and it became a popular date rape drug. But other benzodiazepines can knock you out just as much. But again, at reasonable doses it can be quite relaxing. In fact, that would also chill you out but its more of a hypnotic so something more like alprazolam or clonazepam would be better suited.

 

[lolwhatzdrugs]

You must be in the US, yeah? Me too. Its a shame, really, that the media has demonized GHB to this level here. Its really not all that true, ketamine could be and has been used as a date rape drug just like GHB. Hell, I'd bet there are even cases of MDMA-induced 'date-rape' or something.

But if the social stigma (which around my part of the country, only exists in the drug-naive) is that prevalent where you are, maybe try GBL? Most of the people dumb enough to judge you for self-dosing GHB ('cause omg itz teh date rapz0rs druqk) won't even realize that GBL is basically the same thing

In the US, GBL is just as illegal as GHB. Analogue act, although it may even be explicitly scheduled.

I agree completely though, GHB has a stigma associated with it that does not play out in reality. All strong benzodiazipines in the US are schedule IV, a lower step of control than, say hydrocodone. The analogue act doesn't even apply to benzodiazipines (Schedule I & II drugs only). Yet drugs such as midazolam would incapacitate some one WAY QUICKER and cause far more amnesia than GHB. AND it would be in ultra minute doses, so if you happen to have pure alprazolam, knocking some one completely off their rocker would be so easy it's a joke.

I've read the DEA's Microgram bulletin where they have tested alprazolam blotter paper, so it must be available by some one in pure powder form. (well of course it's available by some one but I mean clandestinely.)

 

[skylines7]

Yes I am in the US. Also in a college town...so when chatting up chicks at a party and they ask what i'm drinking...i say i'm drinking some GHB...you know how that will come off lol. I'm not really trying to hide what i'm drinking either. I've been an addict since I was 15 so I can hide shit very well, but I am trying to live by societies rules the best I can..and as much as I used to love alcohol..it's like I can't do it anymore...it makes me nauseous .

 

[K'd-OUT-in-AZ]

Ugh I hate alcohol. Funny thing is that from 18-21 I drank just about everyday and I suffered withdrawals when I quit drinking. I did it socially and by myself. I ended up in rehab but I was also using other drugs, mainly other sedating things like benzodiazepines and opiates. But anyway, now 6 years later, I absolutely hate the stuff. I won't have anymore than one drink when I happen to be at a club or something. I can't handle the taste anymore either. I used to love the taste of alcohol. So I don't know what happened!?