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Fractals and Buddhism

Its just that I started reading about Buddhism one day, but it suddenly really scared me because I didn't want to experience "enlightenment" but I knew that it made sense. So I commited myself to finding another rational explanation for religion. I wanted to embrace my human condition, no matter what that meant. That lasted for all of two weeks, but when I finally embraced letting go of all that, and looked back into Buddhism I notice the fractals everywhere, in the trees especially. I don't really know how to explain it. It was an awesome experience.
I'm not saying I "chose" to be Buddhist, but i guess you could say I consciously utilized denial in a sense, until it no longer became denial but reality.


And its not really "believing in it" but more that I just know its true.
 
iChelsea:

I have had an experience similar to what you may have. After a decade of being a committed atheist, I had a psychedelic ego-death / enlightenment. I became one with everything, lost my concern for my individual self, became vegan. Even though I did not know what Buddhism was, I instinctively understood that this was Buddhist enlightenment, and that I was a Buddhist. After some more study, I decided to label myself Taoism, as that to me conveys a similar spiritual core with less mythic crap placed over the core wisdom.

My ego-death lasted about 3 days, then my ego slowly reasserted itself. I still felt that Buddhism/Taoism was true, but it faded to the background. I stayed vegan for about a year, then my meat-eating habits reasserted themselves. After much reflection on the experience, I began to conceive of my own, personal view of spirituality, and I found it had much to do with spirals, and seeing spirals in many place. I spiral is one form of fractal. I ultimately realized it was fractals, not spirals, that I was thinking about.

To me, it is the point of seeing that we are all reflections of a larger, higher consciousness, which itself, is part of a larger, higher consciousness, etc., until you reach the universal consciousness which is the closest thing to "god" in Buddhist / Taoist spirituality.

I do think there is a connection between fractals (or spirals) and Buddhism or Taoism. There's a book I found called Sacred Spirals about the prevalence of spirals in certain spiritual imagery.

On the other hand, whether I'm having a good day or bad day (in terms of embracing the notion of oneness with the universe) I still see spirals and fractals. However, I can see where a person might be more attuned to this when they are feeling more of a Buddhist connection to everything.

For me, the reminders of my spiritual truth are rooted in synchronicities. Like one night, after a really bad trip, I was shaken to my core. I turned to my television for rescue. I flipped and flipped, then came into a movie about Woodstock, just at the scene were a character is arriving at Woodstock. The movie was visually sumptious and, with the strong psychedelics I was on, it felt like I was having my own, personal opportunity to experience Woodstock even though it was before my time. It seemed incredibly improbable for me to find that movie, at that point in the movie, at that moment of personal desperation and need. Things like that happen to me with surprising regularity, and lead me to think, "Gee, the Universe loves me."

~psychoblast~
 
It's best to do a bit of reading around on all those Tibetan Buddhists who claim they are on the path to "enlightenment".

In reality, they kept the Tibetan population as brutalised slaves, cutting off their hands if they stole and gouging out their eyes if they failed to show their buddhist masters sufficient respect. Pretty "enlightened" guys eh?

It's always best to look at what someone does rather than what they say.

Incidentally, if you take mushrooms and moclobomide or DMT and moclobomide you will see fractals regardless of whether you believe in some buddhist horseshit or not.
 
It's best to do a bit of reading around on all those Tibetan Buddhists who claim they are on the path to "enlightenment".

In reality, they kept the Tibetan population as brutalised slaves, cutting off their hands if they stole and gouging out their eyes if they failed to show their buddhist masters sufficient respect. Pretty "enlightened" guys eh?

Got a link?

You piqued my curiosity..
 
It's best to do a bit of reading around on all those Tibetan Buddhists who claim they are on the path to "enlightenment".

In reality, they kept the Tibetan population as brutalised slaves, cutting off their hands if they stole and gouging out their eyes if they failed to show their buddhist masters sufficient respect. Pretty "enlightened" guys eh?

It's always best to look at what someone does rather than what they say.

Incidentally, if you take mushrooms and moclobomide or DMT and moclobomide you will see fractals regardless of whether you believe in some buddhist horseshit or not.

Are you saying the monks themselves were violent, or that the government was? I've never heard of this but I'm also curious.

Either way, as with all religions, some people genuinely care about the message and teachings, whereas others are more concerned with power. But I've read a good amount on Buddhism and some of it's forms do not really resemble a religion in the sense that Christianity of Judaism do.
 
iChelsea:

I have had an experience similar to what you may have. After a decade of being a committed atheist, I had a psychedelic ego-death / enlightenment. I became one with everything, lost my concern for my individual self, became vegan. Even though I did not know what Buddhism was, I instinctively understood that this was Buddhist enlightenment, and that I was a Buddhist. After some more study, I decided to label myself Taoism, as that to me conveys a similar spiritual core with less mythic crap placed over the core wisdom.

My ego-death lasted about 3 days, then my ego slowly reasserted itself. I still felt that Buddhism/Taoism was true, but it faded to the background. I stayed vegan for about a year, then my meat-eating habits reasserted themselves. After much reflection on the experience, I began to conceive of my own, personal view of spirituality, and I found it had much to do with spirals, and seeing spirals in many place. I spiral is one form of fractal. I ultimately realized it was fractals, not spirals, that I was thinking about.

To me, it is the point of seeing that we are all reflections of a larger, higher consciousness, which itself, is part of a larger, higher consciousness, etc., until you reach the universal consciousness which is the closest thing to "god" in Buddhist / Taoist spirituality.

I do think there is a connection between fractals (or spirals) and Buddhism or Taoism. There's a book I found called Sacred Spirals about the prevalence of spirals in certain spiritual imagery.

On the other hand, whether I'm having a good day or bad day (in terms of embracing the notion of oneness with the universe) I still see spirals and fractals. However, I can see where a person might be more attuned to this when they are feeling more of a Buddhist connection to everything.

For me, the reminders of my spiritual truth are rooted in synchronicities. Like one night, after a really bad trip, I was shaken to my core. I turned to my television for rescue. I flipped and flipped, then came into a movie about Woodstock, just at the scene were a character is arriving at Woodstock. The movie was visually sumptious and, with the strong psychedelics I was on, it felt like I was having my own, personal opportunity to experience Woodstock even though it was before my time. It seemed incredibly improbable for me to find that movie, at that point in the movie, at that moment of personal desperation and need. Things like that happen to me with surprising regularity, and lead me to think, "Gee, the Universe loves me."

~psychoblast~

Before my experience, I had HPPD with visual snow and the likes, but never depersonalisation.

Now I have depersonalisation and some pretty bad anxiety on days. I am going to the doctor to get some anxiety meds, but I've heard they don't really help in the long run. I think right now it is the best thing for me, until I can slowly learn to cope with this anxiety.


I still feel like myself, but I feel like there is a detatchment. Like there is a distance between myself that didn't used to be there.

I notice weird coincidences all the time, like, what is the chance of this happening right now at this point in my life? I think weird things like that happen all the time, its just that we don't notice it because we are so used to them happening.
 
It's best to do a bit of reading around on all those Tibetan Buddhists who claim they are on the path to "enlightenment".

In reality, they kept the Tibetan population as brutalised slaves, cutting off their hands if they stole and gouging out their eyes if they failed to show their buddhist masters sufficient respect. Pretty "enlightened" guys eh?

It's always best to look at what someone does rather than what they say.

Incidentally, if you take mushrooms and moclobomide or DMT and moclobomide you will see fractals regardless of whether you believe in some buddhist horseshit or not.

There are good people and bad people in every religion. Ultimately, you decide what kind of person you want to be, not your religion.
 
I am going to the doctor to get some anxiety meds, but I've heard they don't really help in the long run. I think right now it is the best thing for me, until I can slowly learn to cope with this anxiety.

He will probably give you a benzodiazepine. Like Xanax, Valium or something similar.
If taken everyday they are highly addictive, and can cause severe withdrawal.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Benzodiazepine

Maybe some benzo´s are a good idea, but you might also just change one problem for another.
 
Here's an article on how the buddhist monks used to treat their slaves:

http://www.swans.com/library/art9/mparen01.html

In the Dalai Lama's Tibet, torture and mutilation -- including eye gouging, the pulling out of tongues, hamstringing, and amputation of arms and legs -- were favored punishments inflicted upon thieves, runaway serfs, and other "criminals." Journeying through Tibet in the 1960s, Stuart and Roma Gelder interviewed a former serf, Tsereh Wang Tuei, who had stolen two sheep belonging to a monastery. For this he had both his eyes gouged out and his hand mutilated beyond use. He explains that he no longer is a Buddhist: "When a holy lama told them to blind me I thought there was no good in religion."
 
As we all know, history is not an objective science free from the prejudices of man, and the history of Tibetan Buddhism, like that of Tibet itself, is likely not as simple as Ismene is leading some to believe. There are many scholars and human rights activists that strongly disagree with the research and interpretation presented by Parenti, et al.

From what I understand about modern Buddhism, and going back to the pure beliefs of the Buddha himself, truth is the most important thing. Buddhism is not a religion and will drop any tenet proven by modern science to be false. There is a lot of information for everyone to decide for oneself. Below is one snippet from the web, but there are plenty of books and research from all sides.


This is by far one of the most detailed examinations of Parenti's views on Tibet:


A Lie Repeated - The Far Left’s Flawed History of Tibet

By Joshua Michael Schrei

[snip]

In his writing on Tibet, Parenti shares something in common with all of his predecessors -Anna Louise Strong, A. Tom Grunfeld, and Roma and Stuart
Gelder among them- in that his writing on Tibet is essentially argumentative. He is not writing in order to give an unbiased history of a nation, he is writing in order to prove a point. In this case, the point he is trying to prove is that the society of 'old Tibet' was a terrible place, and that the resistance movement that is so visible today is essentially a movement to re-establish this despicable regime.
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In his descriptions of old Tibet, Parenti predominantly draws on the work of four historians - Anna Louise Strong, A. Tom Grunfeld, and Roma and Stuart Gelder. The fact that all of these historians had a romantic predilection towards Maoism and drew mostly on Chinese government statistics should surely be cause for concern as far as their legitimacy as source material. One certainly wouldn't trust the Indonesian government's party line on Aceh or East Timor. Or, for that matter, the U.S. government's continued assertion that the Iraqi people welcome the current American occupation. Such manipulations of public sentiment, in which an occupation is presented as 'the will of the people,' are – as a rule – only employed to further the agenda of the occupier.
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For the most part, Parenti and the handful of historians who have adopted the view of old Tibet as a despotic feudal theocracy have had little if no contact with actual Tibetans either in or outside Tibet. Therefore, they have no real way of gauging the sentiments of the Tibetan people. Neither Parenti, Strong, Grunfeld, nor the Gelders speak Tibetan - or Chinese for that matter- so the body of historical literature on the Tibet issue that is available to them is extremely limited. Tom Grunfeld never went to Tibet until after his book was published. Anna Louise Strong – a diehard Marxist – was given a tightly monitored Chinese government tour of Lhasa and then went on to proclaim that "a million Tibetan serfs have stood up! They are burying the old serfdom and building a new tomorrow!" One might say that one doesn't need to go to Paris to know the Eiffel tower exists. However, before dismissing an entire culture's history as despotically repressive it is perhaps worth speaking to a few of its representatives.
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Parenti does little better in his treatment of history, erroneously stating that the first Dalai Lama was installed by 'the Chinese army'. One would presume that a Yale Ph.D. would know the difference between Chinese and Mongols. But apparently, in the Parenti-Grunfeld-Strong school of history, one word is as good as another and a Chinese is as good as a Mongol, as long as the point gets across.

http://free-tibet.tribe.net/thread/620ccde6-66e7-4147-b078-d2115d323448
 
Once you start noticing patterns in things while sober or even tripping it's easier to see them all the time or way more frequently.
 
My wife bought that fractal-cauliflower at a local market recently to bring home for dinner. She bought it especially because I was tripping and she knew I'd like it. She was right. I couldn't stop staring it at. Most magnificent vegetable I've ever laid eyes on. Tasted amazing too.

HAHA cool story! Awesome wife... glad it tasted great. "Magnificent Vegetables"... HAHA! Great name for a band perhaps?
 
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The Chinese Government propoganda in favor of their occupation was posted by IsMene (who is the one who was trying so hard to make the weird claim that people claiming to experience ego-loss under psychedelics are lying or merely suffering delusions or that the experience is somehow "inauthentic" or "wrong" or nonexistent or whatever). He only ever posts negative shit about psychedelics or about other peoples' posts... I cant figure out why he comes here when everything just seems to annoy him. I think he's one of those ego-monkeys who are trying to prove to themselves that they are better than everyone else by their compulsion to constantly "debunk" everything.

EXCELLENT rebuttal above to the 3rd hand Parenti bullshit which as it points out merely regurgitates various Maoist worshipers' defense of the brutal murderous invasion. Shameful. Parenti's bio in which he touts himself "one of Progressive thought's leading thinkers" is also laughable steaming pile of crap.

IsMene, why the fuck did you post that here? What the hell does any of that have to do with Buddhist philosophy and/or its relation to fractals? NONE!!! Just you and your usual "I am smarter than all you hippies" egotistical flaming. *sigh*
 
Quite frankly Ismene your reasoning disgusts me. Not only is it logically fallacious to conflate Buddhism with the actions of certain Buddhists, it's extremely offensive and inflammatory.

Are you claiming too that every Christian who participated in the Crusade is a blood thirsty maniac? This is coming from a steadfast atheist with almost no respect for religion but I would never go so far as to cast a blanket judgment on all participants of a certain belief set based on the actions of a certain subset of that belief set. Especially when those actions are totally irrelevant to the fundamental tenets of the belief set.
 
^"inflammatory"... bingo. I think of him as more a troll than anything. probably a mistake to not just ignore his "contribution" here as it will just have the thread veering WAY off course, although I am not too sure if there was really alot to it to begin with, really just one of those conversation starters... to which I say again WOW HOW ABOUT THAT FRACTAL CAULIFLOWER?

Can you order that in the Mail? Perhaps my local Jungle Jims might have it. I WANT ONE!
 
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