Mephedrone being called Methamphetamine in a field test during arrest?

[LouDogLBC]

thanks for all the insight, everyone, btw does anyone have a full size image of this nik field identification chart, one where i can read the words? I have found these 3, they are the biggest on a google image search, but i can barely make out the letters.. It would be appreciated. Here they are:
http://www.belisimo.com/prodimages/forensics/FS-190-601.jpg
http://www.copquest.com/43-2255.jpg
http://www.krimtech.de/bilder/nikchrt1.jpg

any more help is always welcome, of course :~} and to the guy in the same thread i posted in legal D. (it got closed) , if there wasn't a snitch I'd....

 

[LouDogLBC]

PS Biocloudy I cant use your links - I get an error 403 'forbidden' response.. maybe you could just down/up load said chart? It's a big help thanks man/chica

 

[biocloudy]

PS Biocloudy I cant use your links - I get an error 403 'forbidden' response.. maybe you could just down/up load said chart? It's a big help thanks man/chica

Hmm, dunno why bayimg killed my pics..

Here is a full sized NIK Polytesting chart, the other pic was just a picture of a standard NIK test (test u), if you've seen one you've seen them all. BL downscaled it a just a bit, my copy is 1955x2700. But can be found at http://www.krimtech.de/bilder/nikchart.jpg

A good generic NIK testing policy can be found at http://www.docs.state.ny.us/Directives/4938.pdf most LE agency's will have substantially similar policy's as this one is based on the NIK manual.

Good Luck!

 

[LouDogLBC]

Ahh.. so instead of using just test "U" and it turning BRIGHT BLUE (navvy blue for meth-amp) it should have continued till they got to test "R" and it should have turned a shade of violet, it would appear.. that is, if it was just methcathinone. That would have been an acceptable, in our current world/climate/country probable cause arrest, instead it wasn't even tested with "A" test first, a total joke and disgrace. My buddy watched these baboons do one, and only one, test (U) and it turned a bright or royal blue, not even close.. they could've just said it was MDMA, they wouldv'e been closer to the truth with their half lies... o well, time will tell, but like i said before, there IS NO analogue law in my state, regardless of what some b/l'er thinks that 'the last time they checked north dakota of carolina, or wherever' is the "ONLY ONE" not to have such laws .... I don't think lawyers that specialize in these cases would check that, let alone some troll on here, but whatever floats one's boat 8), I'm just trying to keep my head level for the time..

Any onther thoughts, maybe mods?

 

[biocloudy]

Ahh.. so instead of using just test "U" and it turning BRIGHT BLUE (navvy blue for meth-amp) it should have continued till they got to test "R" and it should have turned a shade of violet, it would appear.. that is, if it was just methcathinone. That would have been an acceptable, in our current world/climate/country probable cause arrest, instead it wasn't even tested with "A" test first, a total joke and disgrace.

The proper procedure would have been an A test, if that gave an indication redish brown U or B test should be done to identify Amp, or MDMA/Methamp. That is the only series of NIK tests to test for methamphetamine. But without an A test the probable cause shouldn't hold as the test was improperly done, outside of the specification of the NIK polytesting system. Then its a toss up between the end of it and GC/MS testing. I am unsure where the use of the R test came from as it is a standalone test for Valium.

A NIK test for 4-mmc should give no reaction to test A, leading you through tests G, j, C, and H. The NIK manual says no reaction on a H test after those steps to stop testing.

 

[ziddy]

PS Biocloudy I cant use your links - I get an error 403 'forbidden' response.. maybe you could just down/up load said chart? It's a big help thanks man/chica

It's because the image host is checking HTTP referrers to prevent hotlinking/direct linking of their images. Just copy/paste the URL instead of actually clicking the link.

 

[LouDogLBC]

The proper procedure would have been an A test, if that gave an indication redish brown U or B test should be done to identify Amp, or MDMA/Methamp. That is the only series of NIK tests to test for methamphetamine. But without an A test the probable cause shouldn't hold as the test was improperly done, outside of the specification of the NIK polytesting system. Then its a toss up between the end of it and GC/MS testing. I am unsure where the use of the R test came from as it is a standalone test for Valium.

A NIK test for 4-mmc should give no reaction to test A, leading you through tests G, j, C, and H. The NIK manual says no reaction on a H test after those steps to stop testing.

Hey, biocloudy, I can't find it now, but.... I did find what I assume from memory when i wrote that was an NIK brand chart, but may not have been in hindsight(can't seem to locate it) BUT it said that METHCATHINONE and VALIUM were both going to turn it purple, unless I'm completely off base... which im 95% I'm not, because I was intrigued...can ANYONE explain the cause for that, and did anyone else KNOW they have a METHCATHINONE field reagent test out there????? Sorry , I'm really into this now, I can't leave it be.. considering how new this is, and what it means to my friend. THANKS as always, everyone!!

PS I AM sure of the methcathinone field testt, unsure of the brand(NIK?) and not 100% it was
R---> Purple, but I'm about 90+% on that too, just to clarify

 

[biocloudy]

Hey, biocloudy, I can't find it now, but.... I did find what I assume from memory when i wrote that was an NIK brand chart, but may not have been in hindsight(can't seem to locate it) BUT it said that METHCATHINONE and VALIUM were both going to turn it purple, unless I'm completely off base... which im 95% I'm not, because I was intrigued...can ANYONE explain the cause for that, and did anyone else KNOW they have a METHCATHINONE field reagent test out there????? Sorry , I'm really into this now, I can't leave it be.. considering how new this is, and what it means to my friend. THANKS as always, everyone!!

PS I AM sure of the methcathinone field testt, unsure of the brand(NIK?) and not 100% it was
R---> Purple, but I'm about 90+% on that too, just to clarify

So I pulled out the current NIK catalogue, Test R "For the presumptive identification of Valium Diazepam, Rohypnol Flunitrazepam and Methcathinone. A positive result is indicated by a lavender color." My chart is outdated and does not reflect that change. In about a month I will obtain a current NIK Test R, polytesting chart and test it with some mephedrone. According to the MSDS for Test R, it contains 2mg/m^3 NaOH in ampual 1, and 400ppm of IPA in ampule 2. So a solution of NaOH in IPA. So this should be easy to mock up a test.

A test for methcathinone is not abnormal as it has been illegal for some time. In fact were I live there are lots of methcathinone related arrests due to Somalis using it. Its more then likely that a test for methcathinone will react similar with mephedrone, someone with more time on their hands can work that problem out on paper.

 

[eatcod]

If I understand correctly then law enforcement have a wider range of reagent tests they can do than is available in the ez-complete testing kits, is that right?

Are any of them able to distinguish between MDMA and MDEA?

 

[biocloudy]

If I understand correctly then law enforcement have a wider range of reagent tests they can do than is available in the ez-complete testing kits, is that right?

Are any of them able to distinguish between MDMA and MDEA?

None of them are documented to do this.

Its important to remember that law enforcement reagent tests are field tests, often done by the police on the side of the road or back at the station. It only assists in probable cause for an arrest, probable cause must require a tad bit more then just a simple drug test on some random sample. There needs to be circumstances leading upto the field test that, when considered with a field test, lead a reasonable person to believe a crime has occurred (crack head bob had little rocks in his pockets that look like crack, a crack pipe, was all messed up behind a dumpster, and his rocks tested positive for crack). These tests are not meant to be a conclusive system or identify the exact drug, but to be used as a component of probable cause. If they want to know what it really is, they will send it to their local crime lab for GC/MS testing and will have their answer. But Bob will plead guilty and they likely wont.

When we test powder or pills we are basically doing the same mental process, for some reason (our dealer told us) we believe to have something. So we test it and compare our results with the known results of what we were expecting. The difference is with ez-test, etc we do multiple confirmation tests. Where the law enforcement tests narrow down from all possible drugs. In fact for testing MDMA and most RC's, our tests are far more accurate if properly used. This is because you are doing three or more confirmation tests on a suspected chemical rather then really just one after you narrow out every other suspected illegal drug. But it still needs some form of chromatography or spectroscopy to really know for sure.